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Post by pottersrule on Jan 12, 2011 20:09:49 GMT
Just wondering what people on here think about this? Theres a massive debate about Messi being better than Maradonna but i dont know what people think  ;D Whos better? Thoughts? Messi or Maradonna? i'll go maradonna Me to,when Messi has won a couple of world cups then the question could possibly be asked. |
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Post by PoisonedDonkey on Jan 12, 2011 20:10:56 GMT
Has Messi ever won a World Cup on his own ???
He hasn't, so Maradona is far better.
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Post by joinerssquire on Jan 12, 2011 20:13:28 GMT
Messi is a very fine player. Maradonna was a genius.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 12, 2011 20:16:48 GMT
Maradona is the greatest foottballer that ever lived.
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Post by chopperscfc on Jan 12, 2011 20:57:52 GMT
Maradona is the greatest foottballer that ever lived. pele? |
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 12, 2011 21:08:50 GMT
Maradona is the greatest foottballer that ever lived. pele? No. Maradona |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 12, 2011 21:10:17 GMT
Yes. IMHO Maradona was better than Pele.
Actually it'd be interesting to see how Di Stefano compared with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2011 21:11:55 GMT
I always thought maradonna was the best ive ever seen, admittadly im only 31 so didnt see pele,matthews etc, but how messi glides along the floor and his natural balance, vision and pace hes hot on the heels of maradonna, ill stick with maradonna but ive got a feeling very soon ill be saying messi
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Post by Hiram on Jan 12, 2011 21:30:52 GMT
Can we put the Messi is a cheat / dives to bed now please...
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 12, 2011 21:31:18 GMT
Thing is Maradona went Napoli an almsot single handedly transformed them into a European force. He also starred in a World cup. For Messi to cement himself as an all time great he has to wait until 2014.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2011 21:33:09 GMT
Does the World Cup really matter any more? The Balon D'Or this year sort of suggests not.
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Post by maximusdickie on Jan 12, 2011 21:51:17 GMT
The majority of people who think messi is best, probably have seen very little of maradonna play, he is arguably the greatest player ever to grace the planet, even though I've never seen pele or puskas play, but still , messi has more to conquer before he can be in the same light as maradonna, he has the potential though no question.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 12, 2011 21:55:19 GMT
Yes the World cup is still the benchmark. I sympathise with players who never played in one...Best, Di Stefano .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2011 21:57:59 GMT
I'm not sure it is anymore. Last years was a damp squib and most people have forgotten about it already and the way FIFA are treating it will only mean more people will look at it with disdain.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 12, 2011 22:02:08 GMT
But if you take aside what the twats at FIFA do and look at the football it becomes clear that the WC is the one chance to test yourself against the best in the world.
Who has forgotten last years WC? I certainly haven't. There's a lot to learn...especially for the English. Spain are proof that a football culture can change, so it should be studied not forgotten.
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Post by Hiram on Jan 13, 2011 0:42:00 GMT
Maradona was just the elegant master of everything. He just exuded quality, style, dominance and arrogance everywhere he went. Boca was Maradona. Napoli was Maradona. Argentina was Maradona. He didn't just carry teams, he became them. not quite everwhere didn't he play for Barça and Seville as well? love Maradona but I can't imagine Messi doing this... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2011 0:45:01 GMT
But if you take aside what the twats at FIFA do and look at the football it becomes clear that the WC is the one chance to test yourself against the best in the world. Who has forgotten last years WC? I certainly haven't. There's a lot to learn...especially for the English. Spain are proof that a football culture can change, so it should be studied not forgotten. I'm trying to forget about it. It was an absolutely awful spectacle with a load of bilge on display. Best in the world=Champions League if You ask some people. I'm starting to wander that way myself.  |
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 13, 2011 0:46:20 GMT
Yes. IMHO Maradona was better than Pele. I agree. I think a lot of it is due to the attitude and the atmosphere that the respective players created. Maradona was such an enigma and carried himself with such a swagger - in many ways it was his imperfection (after all, he was an unfit, fast-living, fat short-arse) that made his genius on the field so much more hypnotising. Contrast that with the clean-cut, righteous talent of Pele (and Messi for that matter) and you see an outrageously talented footballer that just doesn't quite inspire the same all-pervasive awe that Maradona did. Pele seemed more vulnerable and somehow more "disposable" than Maradona... It's also worth noting that if you ask your average Brazilian football fan who their nation's greatest ever player was, the answer won't be Pele. |
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Post by Targaryen Stokie on Jan 13, 2011 2:23:12 GMT
Messi reacted to winning player of the year by scoring a hat-trick tonight, as Barca won 5-0 in the Copa Del Ray.
I think he has 35 goals this season already now, unbelievable Jeff.
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Post by kidsgrove4 on Jan 13, 2011 4:30:57 GMT
Maradona is a filthy cheating , Falkland Island stealing cunt. Anyone who thinks he is anything more has shit inside their brain cavity.
Messi is brill. In fact Messi is tidy.( get it).
K4
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Post by Jimmy Cooper on Jan 13, 2011 8:15:17 GMT
Pele scored a lot of goals, but he's not really on the level of either Maradonna or Messi in terms of ability.
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Post by scfc1234 on Jan 13, 2011 8:26:15 GMT
People understandably have stated that Messi can’t be better as he has not won the world cup yet but could you not also state that Maradonna never won the champions league or the equivalent in his day, which arguably is a greater achievement/prize in modern day football??
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 13, 2011 9:37:20 GMT
which arguably is a greater achievement/prize in modern day football?? People say that but thats what I passionately disagree with. World Cups throw up unexpected challenges and handling them is one the reasons it remains the pinnacle of the game. It's Englands one dimensionalness and inability to develop and adapt to the possibilities of these challenges that result in constant failure. BUT the opnly thing people drone on about is passion.  |
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Post by albanianstokie on Jan 13, 2011 11:12:40 GMT
err Maradonna, cannot even believe there is any kind of debate on this. Most naturally gifted player of all time, a tit yes, but just unbelievable skills.
Until Messi wins a wold cup more or less by himself (as Maradona did), there can be no comparison.
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Post by chopperscfc on Jan 13, 2011 11:58:33 GMT
pele must have been the most prelific out of the 3?
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 13, 2011 12:11:01 GMT
But if you take aside what the twats at FIFA do and look at the football it becomes clear that the WC is the one chance to test yourself against the best in the world. Who has forgotten last years WC? I certainly haven't. There's a lot to learn...especially for the English. Spain are proof that a football culture can change, so it should be studied not forgotten. I'm trying to forget about it. It was an absolutely awful spectacle with a load of bilge on display. Best in the world=Champions League if You ask some people. I'm starting to wander that way myself. Will anyone ever remember Spain as anything other than the most boring World Champions ever? |
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Jan 13, 2011 13:24:57 GMT
Maradona.
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Post by Stephen Frys' Ring on Jan 13, 2011 14:28:23 GMT
Pele scored a lot of goals, but he's not really on the level of either Maradonna or Messi in terms of ability. I agree with that,but Peles' mountains of goals were scored in the Brazilian league only.....errr oh no he got a few for New York Cosmos as well in 70's american lge. Never tried it in the best leagues in world like other 2, bottled it in my opinion   ( But he was absolute quality) |
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Post by coltsevers on Jan 13, 2011 15:22:40 GMT
just spent 20 minutes you tubing both players, and begrudgingly have to admit that Maradona appears to be the best by a long long way.
when i hear people describe that the ball seemed stuck to his feet were not exagerating when you see the videos. That man was simply born to play football.
It Makes me wish our own Sir Stanley Matthews had more footage. Then we could see how he stood up against the modern greats.
I spoke to the late great stoke goalie from the 1950s Frank ? (im afraid his surname escapes me) who was at the Bolton disaster. I saw him at westport gym in 199os and he said that Sir stan was as complete a footballer as anyone could ever have been - i know he was biased and didnt have the advantage of "you tube" and modern day footage, but he told it to me with such sincerity.
But comparing footage and also the specatcle of of the world cup in 1986 then Messi vs Maradona - its Maradona all day long.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 16:00:16 GMT
I think the final answer will only become apparent if maradonna saves west ham from relegation this season Jonathan Spector would be pleased to see him if he came to manage west ham... ---- CARACAS (Reuters) - Former Argentine soccer star Diego Maradona on Sunday said he hates the United States "with all my strength" during an appearance on Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's weekly television show. The leftist soccer legend, like the fiercely anti-U.S. Chavez, is a close ally of Cuba's Fidel Castro. "I believe in Chavez, I am Chavista ... . Everything Fidel does, everything Chavez does for me is the best (that can be done)," Maradona said, sitting with Chavez on the set of the president's Sunday talk show. "I hate everything that comes from the United States. I hate it with all my strength," he added to thunderous applause and cheering from the hundreds of Chavez supporters gathered in an auditorium for the show. Chavez, a self-described socialist revolutionary, is an unrelenting critic of Washington and frequently describes the United States as a decadent empire. U.S. State Department officials call Chavez a threat to regional democracy and accuse him of using the OPEC nation's oil wealth to meddle in the affairs of neighboring nations. Maradona, 46, received drug rehabilitation treatment in Cuba following a hospital stay in 2000 linked to cocaine use. In 2005 he launched a television talk show that lasted one season. One of the most brilliant soccer players ever, he led Argentina to its 1986 World Cup victory and is revered in his own country and around the world. |
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