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Post by scfctilidie on Apr 2, 2008 16:28:21 GMT
Dear Mr Fahey Thank you for your email, the content of which has been noted. The League is aware that Sheffield Wednesday named six loan players in their 16 man matchday squad and this will be considered by the Board. Patricia Brown Customer Services The Football League www.football-league.co.uk This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information. If you have received this message in error or there are any problems, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your computer and any copies. The unauthorised use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is forbidden. Any views set out in this e-mail are the views of the individual sending it, and not the views of The Football League Limited unless otherwise stated. This e-mail should not be seen as forming a legally binding contract unless otherwise stated. Although we believe this e-mail and any attachment are virus-free it is your responsibility to ensure this on receipt. ________________________________ From: ****** ***** Sent: 29 March 2008 19:03 To: FL Subject: Dear Sir/Madam, I am writing to inform you of a breach of the football league rules in the game on the 29th of March at Hillsborough where Sheffield Wednesday drew 1-1 with Stoke City. Sheffield Wednesday broke the league rules by including 6 loan players in their matchday squad. A similar case occured in the Leeds vs Burnley game a couple of seasons ago. However Leeds gained no advantage in the game whereas my team Stoke City were denied 3 points by an equaliser scored by one of the loan players. Kavanagh Songo'o Sahar Slusarski Bolder Showumni These were the 6 loan players named in Sheffield Wednesdays matchday 16. Stoke were forced to leave Paul Gallagher ( on loan from Blackburn) and Gabriel Zakauni (on loan from Fulham) out of the 16 named due to the rules on loan players being included. I feel that we have been forced to field a weakened side whilst Sheffield Wednesday have gained an unfir advantage by having the extra loan player in the squad, and Franck Songo'o scored the equaliser to gain Sheffield a point unfairly. The have clearly gained an advantage whilst we have been wronged by the breach of rules. Myself and fellow Stoke City supporters feel we have been cheated by this and we would like this to be looked into closely and justice to be done. I will also be contacting the Football Association in order for this case to be looked into and a fair outcome can be decided hopefully. Thank You for taking time to read this letter. Please respond as we feel cheated and want an explanation and a fairer outcome. This result could cost us dearly come the end of the season and we hope this case is looked into and not dismissed. Yours Sincerely Daniel Fahey Stoke City Supporter What a crap response for such a long letter  At least it is being looked into now ;D |
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Post by Pembo on Apr 2, 2008 16:30:13 GMT
Good on you for doing it, I take it nothing been sorted yet? or have i been missing for a couple of days?
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Post by scfctilidie on Apr 2, 2008 16:33:13 GMT
Nothing has been done yet, its being looked into by the League Board. Took me a while do that, im only 15  But im a sensible poster lol Not like these amusing youths coming on here with their mates who support other clubs like we had the other night with dom_stokie, although it was quite funny ;D |
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Post by bcfc4life88 on Apr 2, 2008 16:35:10 GMT
Nothing has been done yet, its being looked into by the League Board. Took me a while do that, im only 15 But im a sensible poster lol Not like these amusing youths coming on here with their mates who support other clubs like we had the other night with dom_stokie, although it was quite funny ;D awww look at the little baby! ;D  |
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Post by scfctilidie on Apr 2, 2008 16:36:58 GMT
Yeh Yeh im only iccle ;D helped u out earlier bcfc ;D  im not a baby anymore just quite liccle loll im a sensible poster anyway apart from the posh spice is a slapper thread i started but that was a pisser so |
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Post by bcfc4life88 on Apr 2, 2008 16:40:40 GMT
Wheres a linky to that not seen it!!!
I feel kinda wrong here.... im bcfc fan n i have like over double your posts!!!
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Post by You want salad on kebab boss? on Apr 2, 2008 16:40:43 GMT
Good letter, dont think anything will come of it though they will just be fined ,so I think we should forget it and start concentrating on our remaining games ! Goooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnnn stoke !
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Post by scfctilidie on Apr 2, 2008 16:42:09 GMT
Thanks oatcakedodger!
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Post by boothenbus on Apr 2, 2008 16:43:23 GMT
Basically they'll let us know at the end of May that they have deducted 0 points and fined Sheff Wed a tenner plus the price of a stamp to tell them that.
Ah well never mind.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 2, 2008 16:46:22 GMT
They played a bit from a Scholes interview last night on Radio Stoke. Didn't sound at all confident that they'd get anything more than a slap on the wrist. Scholes seemed to think the Leeds 'precedent' was going to put a straitjacket on them when it came to deciding what to do, despite the fact Leeds didn't benefit like Wednesday did and there were said to be "extenuating circumstances" due to a last-minute Leeds injury news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/7326470.stm |
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Apr 2, 2008 16:55:45 GMT
Wheres a linky to that not seen it!!! I feel kinda wrong here.... im bcfc fan n i have like over double your posts!!! There are 2 main types of opposition fans that come on here, I think. 1) Those that want to enter into some sensible debate with us, and a bit of banter with us. 2) Those morons who just want to come and slag us off, but can't take it if we respond in kind. Wolvesryan for example. You, bcfc4life88, seem to fall generally into the first category. If you didn't, you'd have a large negative karma I expect. |
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Post by bcfc4life88 on Apr 2, 2008 16:59:45 GMT
Wheres a linky to that not seen it!!! I feel kinda wrong here.... im bcfc fan n i have like over double your posts!!! There are 2 main types of opposition fans that come on here, I think. 1) Those that want to enter into some sensible debate with us, and a bit of banter with us. 2) Those morons who just want to come and slag us off, but can't take it if we respond in kind. Wolvesryan for example. You, bcfc4life88, seem to fall generally into the first category. If you didn't, you'd have a large negative karma I expect. I is a nice fellow Init bruv I posted on the palace forum n wound them up a treat mind!!! they had a thread calling johnson a mouthy little twat n that our goal shoudnt of stood as it was 35 seconds over the extra minutes added kept getting called all sorts!!! stupid cockneys!!! Although this board has some nice fellows on here fair play all |
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Post by MrMagic on Apr 2, 2008 17:12:34 GMT
This was my mail - mainly questioning why steps are not in place to prevent this kind of thing
Dear Sir / Madam
As I know from reading various internet news sites and message boards, you will now be fully aware from emails sent to this address of a breach of rules concerning the use of loan players in the above match.
Sheffield Wednesday fielded all six of the following;
* Graham Kavanagh (on loan from Sunderland)
* Adam Bolder (on loan from QPR)
* Enoch Showunmi (On loan from Bristol city)
* Franck Songo'o (On loan from Portsmouth)
* Ben Sahar (On loan from Chelsea)
* Bartosz Slusarski (On loan from West Brom)
Clearly, this places both Stoke City (who were unable to field two loan players, Paul Gallagher and Gabriel Zakuani, who both would have at least made the bench), and the other teams around Wednesday who are fighting relegation at a disadvantage.
I’d appreciate a reply from you explaining why the FA or Football League does not have the correct checks and controls in place to prevent a breach such as this occurring. Surely clubs are expected to submit team-sheets to the officials prior to the game? If rules such as this are in place, then some governing body should be accountable for ensuring that they are adhered to, and these checks and controls should be in place to identify any deviation from rules before it occurs rather than after the game has finished. The prizes and penalties involved in today’s game are far too high to be affected by what appears to be an amateurish approach to compliance and governance.
Yours in anticipation
This is the standard reply I got, which answers very little. Basically "go away and don't darken our intray again"
Thank you for your email.
The League is aware that Sheffield Wednesday named six loan players in their 16 man matchday squad and the matter will be considered by the Board.
It is a matter for the clubs themselves to ensure that they comply with regulations in this regard, although systems are in place that would bring this to attention when the team sheets are received and the data recorded.
Patricia Brown
Customer Services
The Football League
Not really good enough in my opinion, but I'm not suprised.
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Post by boothenbus on Apr 2, 2008 17:17:32 GMT
It is a matter for the clubs themselves to ensure that they comply with regulations in this regard, although systems are in place that would bring this to attention when the team sheets are received and the data recorded.
Basically - don't e-mail us and waste our precious time eating biscuits and licking Fergie's arse we already know.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2008 17:21:33 GMT
I can't believe that after the Leeds debacle that the FL did not write to all clubs up and down the country to clarify the ruling  |
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Post by chrispk76 on Apr 2, 2008 17:21:37 GMT
here's my reply Thank you for your email. The League is aware that Sheffield Wednesday named six loan players in their 16 man matchday squad and this will be considered by the Board. Patricia Brown Customer Services The Football League www.football-league.co.uk here's the letter i sent I am writing to inform you of a breach of the football league rules in the game on the 29th of March at Hillsborough where Sheffield Wednesday drew 1-1 with Stoke City. Sheffield Wednesday broke the league rules by illeagally including 6 loan players in their 16 man matchday squad. One of these 6 players actually scored an equaliser with just 8 minutes to go resulting in Sheffield Wednesday gaining a point by unfair means. I'm sure you are aware of how this can affect teams in both relegation and promotion battles. Wednesday have cheated their way to an important point in the relegation dogfight they are currently in with half a dozen or so clubs and Stoke have been robbed of 2 points in their bid to gain access to the £50 million premier league prize. Unlike the Leeds case a few years back, Sheffield Wednesday did gain an unfair advantage from the rule breach. It is a fact that Stoke City dropped Paul Gallagher (on loan from Premiership Blackburn Rovers) and Gabriel Zakuani (on loan from Premiership Fulham) for this fixture as they didn't want to break the 5 loanees rule. This meant that their squad was weakened by adhereing to the rules while Wednesdays was seriously strengthened. I urge you to recall the Bury fc fa cup game a while back where they were kicked out of the fa cup for a similar offence to Sheffields. Please respond as I feel many teams, and fellow football supporters have been wronged by this breach of the rules. |
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Post by lurcherman on Apr 2, 2008 17:26:41 GMT
I feel kinda wrong here.... im bcfc fan n i have like over double your posts!!! That's because SCFC only posts when he's got something sensible to say  ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by scfctilidie on Apr 2, 2008 17:29:53 GMT
Thanks Lurcherman!
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Post by madeleyite on Apr 2, 2008 17:42:34 GMT
Summary of the FA reply -
Dear Sir,
Stoke who? Get fucked.
Yrs sincerely
FA Cunts
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Post by madeleyite on Apr 2, 2008 17:44:01 GMT
Sorry - thats football league cunts - my mind was already on next season in the prem!
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Post by doningtonphil on Apr 2, 2008 22:19:27 GMT
my reply from patricia was exactly the same as above but ominously she added
"The Football League are aware that Sheffield Wednesday only used 4 of the 6 players on the pitch"
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Post by berty on Apr 2, 2008 22:27:50 GMT
I also had the token gesture of a response too which has prompted me to write again:
Stoke set to miss out in loan row
BBC Radio Stoke understands that Stoke City will not benefit from Sheffield Wednesday fielding six loan players in Saturday's 1-1 draw at Hillsborough.
With regard to the article published above, I hope my eyes are deceiving me. May I inquire as to how the Football League have decided who was the sixth loan player? If it was argued that the "infamous" sixth man was one of the unused substitutes then he was still one of a set of illegal options for the manager to select from. If however, the sixth man was Mr Songo'o, who just so happened to score the equalising goal, then how can the Football League claim that no advantage was gained? There is a dangerous precedent about to be set here for deliberate bending of the rules that could reverberate around all levels of the league. If those breaking the rules are not severely punished then it just gives a green light for other clubs to break the rules too. The Leeds "precedent" is, if you will, not really a similar example as Leeds gained no advantage from the rule breach. In this instance, Sheffiled Wenesday have directly benefited having gained a point by using an illegal matchday squad. Do not be surprised, therefore, if other clubs threatened by relegation seek legal advice as a result of a soft penalty being administered. A fine is peanuts to clubs these days - indeed the Sheffield Wednesday fans are actual hoping for a fine!! What does that tell you??
To sum up: it should be impossible to gain through the breaking of league rules as Sheffield clearly have in this instance. One of the loan players in the game had no right to be there and it is impossible for the league to ascertain which man it was. As a result (and especially as a loan player scored the equaliser) Sheffield Wednesday should be docked the point that they illegally gained. I spend thousands of pounds following my team up and down the country and to see then denied by a team that has blatantly cheated angers me greatly. How a club the size of Sheffield Wednesday can claim not to know the league rules in spite of the well publicised Leeds breach not so long ago is beyond me. It is not beyond the realms of reality to suggest that the breach was quite deliberate to strengthem the managers hand in the game and to then just accept the usual token gesture of a fine that the league has handed out previously. Please be tougher on these cheats!! Teams that play by the rule book to comply with the rules should not be denied points by those that show a blatant lack of respect for them!!
Please give us supporters something to show that the rules are there for a reason and that there are severe consequences for breaking them. Otherwise the rule book may as well be disregarded as teams buy points through pitiful fines to climb the league table.
Please restore my faith in football,
Rob Ellis.
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