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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 27, 2010 1:01:14 GMT
I guess it depends what you've got in mind when you say ... 'the right price'. If it was my money, I would 'test the resolve' of both Citeh and Newcastle with individual bids of somet in the region of 7-8 million for each of Onuoha and Enrique for both of our full back spots. Or at least give Whitehead an extended run at right back, if we buy better than in him (and I think we need to) in the centre of the park. are you saying 8 mil for both or each because i think 5 would be accepted by newcastle not sure about onouha havent seen enough of him to give a price but most sunderland fans want him permanent but say he is quite hit and miss quite like Wilko. For each. Maybe you're right and Ashley would accept less for Enrique. There's no doubt he's looking to sell what he can but Enrique has been in outstanding form this season.
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Post by jordyboy2468 on Dec 27, 2010 1:02:42 GMT
Wilkinson is good enough....Collins and Higginbotham aren't. yes but we have no cover if wilkos injured which means Huth going to RB which is a terrible idea as he has been immense at centre half. i dont think pulis has faith in shotton he may be able to cover for 20 mins if wilkos injured but a doubt a full match as the prem is a huge leap from the championship.
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Post by takeshikovacs on Dec 27, 2010 1:03:26 GMT
mumf - good to get an alternative opinion. You believe Wilko could be the right man to help take us to the next level. Is it his speed, awareness, tactical ability, passing skill or ability to get forward and provide that killer pass / cross that leads you to this opinion?
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Post by evans1863 on Dec 27, 2010 1:08:37 GMT
We won today and kept a clean sheet. Wilko is a very good full-back. The fact that you struggled to name better in your first post pretty much sums this up.
LB CM back up Winger and a striker are whats needed to push on, I'm very happy with Wilko
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 1:09:22 GMT
mumf - good to get an alternative opinion. You believe Wilko could be the right man to help take us to the next level. Is it his speed, awareness, tactical ability, passing skill or ability to get forward and provide that killer pass / cross that leads you to this opinion? He's not the best , but he's not the worst either. He does have some pace and he likes to occasionally make decent runs. The player you seem to be describing would be £10million +.... Do you honestly think we would/could afford that...? If so who..?
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Post by jordyboy2468 on Dec 27, 2010 1:10:14 GMT
are you saying 8 mil for both or each because i think 5 would be accepted by newcastle not sure about onouha havent seen enough of him to give a price but most sunderland fans want him permanent but say he is quite hit and miss quite like Wilko. For each. Maybe you're right and Ashley would accept less for Enrique. There's no doubt he's looking to sell what he can but Enrique has been in outstanding form this season. danny collins has 0 assists has conceded 10 fouls conceded has won 7 freekicks and has 4 yellows. whereas jose enrique has 1 assist has conceded 7 fouls has won 22 freekicks and has 3 yellows. so based purely on the stats jose enrique looks twice the player collins is attacking wise and slighltly better defencively he is also 6 foot 1" so he looks like a CB so he mighht fool pulis into buying him.
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Post by jordyboy2468 on Dec 27, 2010 1:12:47 GMT
mumf - good to get an alternative opinion. You believe Wilko could be the right man to help take us to the next level. Is it his speed, awareness, tactical ability, passing skill or ability to get forward and provide that killer pass / cross that leads you to this opinion? He's not the best , but he's not the worst either. He does have some pace and he likes to occasionally make decent runs. The player you seem to be describing would be £10million +.... Do you honestly think we would/could afford that...? If so who..? i think if Pulis found the player coates would pay the fee up until it becomes ridiculous money, its just the wages he would be asking for, as that is what can put a club in financial danger. no idea who we would be after, maybe branch out with scouting and get cheap unknowns like what wigan do and make them into prem players but we wouldnt have to sell them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 1:16:25 GMT
No....Fullbacks in that price range , whether it be the fee or the wages is simply a no...a DEFINITE no. We simply cannot afford that luxury.
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Post by takeshikovacs on Dec 27, 2010 1:16:50 GMT
mumf - good to get an alternative opinion. You believe Wilko could be the right man to help take us to the next level. Is it his speed, awareness, tactical ability, passing skill or ability to get forward and provide that killer pass / cross that leads you to this opinion? He's not the best , but he's not the worst either. He does have some pace and he likes to occasionally make decent runs. The player you seem to be describing would be £10million +.... Do you honestly think we would/could afford that...? If so who..? mumf - I don't have the solution, and think it's one of the most difficult positions we'll need to fill to move to the next level, as I don't personally believe Wilko inspires confidence against the best wingers, or anyone with real pace / trickery. However, I can't see many realistic better options at a price we would want to be paying out. I don't know how deep Mr Coates' coffers are, so difficult to say.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 27, 2010 1:18:31 GMT
For each. Maybe you're right and Ashley would accept less for Enrique. There's no doubt he's looking to sell what he can but Enrique has been in outstanding form this season. danny collins has 0 assists has conceded 10 fouls conceded has won 7 freekicks and has 4 yellows. whereas jose enrique has 1 assist has conceded 7 fouls has won 22 freekicks and has 3 yellows. so based purely on the stats jose enrique looks twice the player collins is attacking wise and slighltly better defencively he is also 6 foot 1" so he looks like a CB so he mighht fool pulis into buying him. If Stoke could field a back four of: Enrique---Huth---Ryan---Onouha Then I think it would be virtually impossible for us to realistically improve on any of our defensive positions, although not completely unrealistic (albeit expensive) to achieve. Which is the premise I'm working from, in response to the original question from the OP.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 1:18:48 GMT
Takeshikovacs....I think your're right as my previous post indicates.
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Post by evans1863 on Dec 27, 2010 2:00:40 GMT
Wilko was outstanding vs Man City and Liverpool, made one mistake today and other than that was solid as ever. It annoys me how his position is always the one that people question no matter how well he plays
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 27, 2010 2:10:08 GMT
Habib baye from villa could be worth a punt too? Isn't he about 80 years old?
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 27, 2010 2:20:35 GMT
Wilko was outstanding vs Man City and Liverpool, made one mistake today and other than that was solid as ever. It annoys me how his position is always the one that people question no matter how well he plays It annoys me that most seem to be happy to accept his inadequacies purely due to the fact he is a local lad and loves Stoke. He's had some good games recently but he wasn't great today or at Brazil, Blackpool would be harsh to add in as he was part of a very poor team display. If we are to progress we need to be buying a better player and Beye would be a good short term replacement or if we're willing to spend then Enrique n
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 27, 2010 2:22:14 GMT
I would easily rather have Andy Wilkinson than Habib Beye, EASILY.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 27, 2010 2:33:32 GMT
I would easily rather have Andy Wilkinson than Habib Beye, EASILY. I wouldn't, he's lost his way at Villa like so many, but he was excellent before and I'm sure he'd do a great job for us.
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Post by evans1863 on Dec 27, 2010 3:22:14 GMT
Yeah Baye was excellent at Newcastle as well. Where did they finish again?
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Post by jezzascfc on Dec 27, 2010 5:42:01 GMT
Well, if reports of Bridge on loan are true, he would more than do on the left and, as others suggest, Beye on loan could be a short term answer on the right, and we could then review it in the summer with a view to bringing in long term replacements and neither Wilko nor Collins is good enough for a team looking to break into the top ten, as we must now aim to do.
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Post by evans1863 on Dec 27, 2010 5:46:28 GMT
Why loan a player who isnt as good as who we already have?
We're 8th, results have as usual picked up since TP moved Huth to CH and Wilko to RB. Bridge for Collins is an improvement but yet again Wilko has come in done a very good job and people are moaning
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Post by Northy on Dec 27, 2010 8:16:55 GMT
Look outside the premier league, Villa seem to have a young American at right back? Perhaps we could get another gem from South America
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Post by ticketsplease on Dec 27, 2010 10:06:15 GMT
Wilko is not a weak link and at most we need cover at RB. I think Wilko actually suffers from being a local lad who cost nothing. If he had cost £5m and performed how he currently does everyone would be singing his praises.
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Post by truckerged on Dec 27, 2010 10:09:30 GMT
Wilko is a full blooded Stoke player through and through. He's an adequate right back at this level. His commitment, and occsaional rash play has sometimes cost us. He's played the occasional blinder for us. Being honest, we need to upgrade this position if we're to push on in our 4th season. The problem is, I struggle to come up with a shortlist of viable / realistic options for this position. It seems like there's a general dearth of top class right backs in the Prem, and I'm not sure who could do the best job for us at the right price. Any thoughts on any realistic candidates, or am I out of order to suggest we need to upgrade this position? my thoughts exactly i like wilko and want him to be a stoke legend but he still has a lot to learn. the way he dived in twice [in the same move]in the first half and then in the second half when the blackburn player just waltzed past him have me worried
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Post by wuzza on Dec 27, 2010 10:11:35 GMT
Why is it always the 'buy, buy, buy' option. Why not promote from within and give Shotten the chance to grow into the role - Wilko is in the process of doing it and Ryan could do the same. We have very quickly as a group of supporters fallen into the standard Premiership mind-set that every issue should have money thrown at it.
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Post by snapotter on Dec 27, 2010 10:11:36 GMT
Wilko is not a weak link and at most we need cover at RB. I think Wilko actually suffers from being a local lad who cost nothing. If he had cost £5m and performed how he currently does everyone would be singing his praises. I agree. Wilko played well - took one for the team with the yellow card, and then kept his head whilst on a booking. Both he and Huth made it into the Sun's team of the week. (Along with Ethertington)
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 27, 2010 10:15:52 GMT
£8million is a hell of a lot of money for a full back, I can't see us spending that much to be honest
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