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Post by Poker-Face on Dec 12, 2010 10:46:25 GMT
Anybody else see their unpleasant exchange after their goal?
Shawcross seemed to be having a go at fuller for his missed chance n fuller was, in no uncertain terms, telling him to zip it.
I love fuller but I hope his indiscipline is not creeping back, you should always respect your skipper.
On a side note I wish people would lay off Jones, he was 'unplayable' for the first half hour yesterday, it just didn't drop for him.
Keep the faith Stokies!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 12, 2010 10:55:44 GMT
Anybody else see their unpleasant exchange after their goal? Shawcross seemed to be having a go at fuller for his missed chance n fuller was, in no uncertain terms, telling him to zip it. I love fuller but I hope his indiscipline is not creeping back, you should always respect your skipper. On a side note I wish people would lay off Jones, he was 'unplayable' for the first half hour yesterday, it just didn't drop for him. Keep the faith Stokies! Last time I looked mate football lasted 3 x half an hour. and that is my and most peoples beef with Jones. He doesn't  |
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Post by Poker-Face on Dec 12, 2010 10:58:32 GMT
It does, you're correct. But how many of, even the world class players, perform for the whole 90 mins? It just doesn't happen does it?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 12, 2010 11:00:31 GMT
Be nice if he tried a bit though  |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 12, 2010 11:18:34 GMT
I always think that top players have "good feet".
Charlie Adam seemed to have great feet. Pennant has them, Fuller has them and Shawcross has as well.
Kenwyne Jones scuffs absolutely everything, including several simple passes yesterday. He has scored one goal with his feet, a scuffed effort v Liverpool and once again yesterday, his shooting was woeful beyond belief.
He is clearly losing confidence in himself, which is probably not help by the fact that the crowd are noticeable starting to get on at him.
I can't make my mind up on KJ. He is a bit too soft for my liking in all honesty and if he is no goal threat, then he is no better than a fully fit Mama (gets tin hat on).
As for the Fuller Ryan incident, it was something in nothing. Ryan wasn't happy that Ric didn't at least get a shot off whilst Fuller seemed to be insinuating that he was still suffering from a knock he picked up seconds earlier when their defender went straight through the back of him.
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Post by Delboy on Dec 12, 2010 11:21:48 GMT
Anybody else see their unpleasant exchange after their goal? Shawcross seemed to be having a go at fuller for his missed chance n fuller was, in no uncertain terms, telling him to zip it. I love fuller but I hope his indiscipline is not creeping back, you should always respect your skipper. On a side note I wish people would lay off Jones, he was 'unplayable' for the first half hour yesterday, it just didn't drop for him. Keep the faith Stokies! Last time I looked mate football lasted 3 x half an hour. and that is my and most peoples beef with Jones. He doesn't michael owen when he was at liverpool touched the ball for 48 seconds during a match, but scored a hat trick. im sure he didnt make an impact for the whole 90 minutes. things just arent dropping for kenwyne at the moment |
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Post by mayf on Dec 12, 2010 11:21:49 GMT
Didn't see the incident myself but maybe Fuller was pointing out that Shawcross had allowed himself to be pulled out of position leaving Wilko to mark 2 men which resulted in their goal....the great defensive coach that is Ricci Fuller  |
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Post by Poker-Face on Dec 12, 2010 11:24:50 GMT
Jones is a goal threat, just because of how we play. He is never going to the goals that fuller n Tuncay can score but he is still our top goal scorer.
Couldn't really see much of the fuller spat from where I was, glad it didn't seem much to u!
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Post by StokieMatt on Dec 12, 2010 11:31:04 GMT
just frustration least it shows they care  |
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 12, 2010 11:35:00 GMT
I always think that top players have "good feet". Charlie Adam seemed to have great feet. Pennant has them, Fuller has them and Shawcross has as well. Kenwyne Jones scuffs absolutely everything, including several simple passes yesterday. He has scored one goal with his feet, a scuffed effort v Liverpool and once again yesterday, his shooting was woeful beyond belief. He is clearly losing confidence in himself, which is probably not help by the fact that the crowd are noticeable starting to get on at him. I can't make my mind up on KJ. He is a bit too soft for my liking in all honesty and if he is no goal threat, then he is no better than a fully fit Mama (gets tin hat on). As for the Fuller Ryan incident, it was something in nothing. Ryan wasn't happy that Ric didn't at least get a shot off whilst Fuller seemed to be insinuating that he was still suffering from a knock he picked up seconds earlier when their defender went straight through the back of him. Bit unfair to single Jones out for shooting. Not one of em could hit a barn door yesterday. The whole Jones thing is getting out of hand and this "not trying shite" is laughable. We've got problems if we start booing and slagging off our own players ??? |
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Post by wuzza on Dec 12, 2010 11:40:42 GMT
Ryan definitely had quite a lengthy pop at Ric - and quite right to if he's the captain. For me we dont have enough leaders on the pitch. For the big bad nasty team we are supposed to be I think we are a bit soft.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 12, 2010 11:41:19 GMT
Our shooting is generally woeful and has been for some time. I am not singling out KJ in that.
The worst culprit of all is Deano. That fucker should be fined everytime he shoots.
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Post by scfcmacca on Dec 12, 2010 14:20:12 GMT
if someone has a pop at ricki he will allways have a pop back its just how he is passionate or just stupid you pick, weve all seen ric get wound up back in the championship and also when he wanted fight griff aswell, imo its nothing to be worried about if ryan has had a go and ric has had a go back.
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 12, 2010 14:23:08 GMT
About time Ryan started being more authoritative. We don't see him doing it enough on the pitch.
Looking back, John Eustace always use to give Fuller a round of F's
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 16:30:57 GMT
It's good to see and I don't mind Ric or anyone giving it back. It shows both of them care. That's why I was never bothered like most when Ric fanny tickled Griff at West Ham.
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Post by slangking on Dec 12, 2010 16:35:35 GMT
It was probably just frustration from Shawcross, after all Fuller's shooting is piss-poor at the best of times.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Dec 12, 2010 16:35:49 GMT
I think Ryan was reminding Fuller that if he hadn't farted around with his chance we would have been kicking off 1-0 up not down!
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 12, 2010 17:04:01 GMT
It's good to see and I don't mind Ric or anyone giving it back. It shows both of them care. That's why I was never bothered like most when Ric fanny tickled Griff at West Ham. Really? So a player slapping the club captain on the pitch didnt bother you, Ric has been a fantastic player for the club but his actions that day were an absolute disgrace. Wouldn't read too much into the Ric Ryan spat as after most goals conceded there will be a couple of players having a bit of a bitching session |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 17:07:14 GMT
No, he barely touched him and it was wrong that he got sent off. And Griff shouldn't have been on the pitch (he was injured) and shouldn't have been captain, he was a woeful leader. I don't see what the fuss was.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 12, 2010 17:20:06 GMT
No, he barely touched him and it was wrong that he got sent off. And Griff shouldn't have been on the pitch (he was injured) and shouldn't have been captain, he was a woeful leader. I don't see what the fuss was. So you think it's acceptable to slap, and it was a slap, your club captain in the face in the middle of a Premiership football match? It was absolutely the right decision to send him off as he slapped a fellow professional. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 17:47:29 GMT
It wasn't, he barely touched him. I don't think it's acceptable but I don't think it was that big a issue. Passions boil and it happens. The sensible thing was the ref to yellow him, I think the response by the ref and on here was pathetic. Sack him, he's a disgrace etc give over.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 12, 2010 18:00:57 GMT
It wasn't, he barely touched him. I don't think it's acceptable but I don't think it was that big a issue. Passions boil and it happens. The sensible thing was the ref to yellow him, I think the response by the ref and on here was pathetic. Sack him, he's a disgrace etc give over. But it was a disgrace and hugely disrespectful to the club and fans. He is payed a fortune to perform to a good level and give his and then to hit the captain during a game was a totally self satisfying incident which served no one but himself. Over the course if a season players will fall out and have a row over different issues but to hit a team mate during a game is just not on and is not something anyone can defend. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 18:03:49 GMT
I don't think it was. I didn't feel disrespected, it showed me that he gave a shit. And it also showed TP up because Griff should have been subbed at half time and it's something TP does with injured players and I don't like it. Griff shouldn't have charged the 40 yards from his spot at right back because someone was shouting at him. Griff deserved a bollocking, couldn't take it and started the confrontation at close quarters. He should have taken the stick like a man.
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Post by mysteriojr on Dec 12, 2010 18:06:46 GMT
Our shooting is generally woeful and has been for some time. I am not singling out KJ in that. The worst culprit of all is Deano. That fucker should be fined everytime he shoots. cudnt be more true, this is my first response to yesterdays fiasco, but deano is woefull he always leans backwards when shooting so u know what comes next , was so upset when he got in pennants way, as there was n way he would have scored had he taken the shot.n |
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 12, 2010 18:08:34 GMT
I don't think it was. I didn't feel disrespected, it showed me that he gave a shit. And it also showed TP up because Griff should have been subbed at half time and it's something TP does with injured players and I don't like it. Griff shouldn't have charged the 40 yards from his spot at right back because someone was shouting at him. Griff deserved a bollocking, couldn't take it and started the confrontation at close quarters. He should have taken the stick like a man. Ric didn't stand still in the centre circle and to blame Griff for the incident is ridiculous, Ric started to walk over to Griff 1st and Griff never put a hand on Ric. Looks like it's one of those times where we'll have to agree to differ though as it's one of those incidents which I think is just indefensible |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 18:10:52 GMT
Fuller stood there bollocking him, Griff started moving towards him and Ric did move but Griff started it and went the furthest when he had no need to. And for that bit of defending he did deserve a slap, mainly with a wet fish. |
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 12, 2010 18:19:48 GMT
Fuller stood there bollocking him, Griff started moving towards him and Ric did move but Griff started it and went the furthest when he had no need to. And for that bit of defending he did deserve a slap, mainly with a wet fish. Would have been slightly more interesting if Ric tried to slap our Griffs successor as captain, pay per stuff then |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 18:29:41 GMT
;D He wouldn't, Abdy was respected. I never got the feeling Griff was as captain.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 12, 2010 18:32:18 GMT
;D He wouldn't, Abdy was respected. I never got the feeling Griff was as captain. But that's the poor I was trying to make, as a player for Stoke he should respect the club and whoever the captain may be should be treated with dignity and respect, both were missing that day. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 18:36:48 GMT
Why? I don't buy that argument about anyone (teachers, coppers etc). You earn respect imo, just because he has a certain role doesn't mean he should be respected. Griff didn't earn it and wasn't the right man for captain.
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