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Post by premiershipteamfor10years on Dec 12, 2010 10:01:41 GMT
Can't understand why the lad wasn't given a chance today. He couldn't have done any worse than Whitehead & Delap. He could have got the ball out wide & retained possession of the ball much better.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 12, 2010 10:47:04 GMT
I agree - although he has had a few dodgy games recently (especially in losing possession easily) he is far more creative than Whelan. I'd have brought him on instead of Whelan and played him in front of Delap.
I'd also have played Tuncs and Ethers on their "correct" wings in the later stages.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 12, 2010 11:12:00 GMT
I can. He is one paced and weak. There is no way he could have got up to the speed of the game as a sub.
He has shown nothing yet and in my opinion is clearly another very poor/average player.
I thought Whelan did well when he came on though. Got the ball out quickly and effectively to the wide men and it resulted in our best spell of sustained pressure all game.
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Post by maxdecarlo on Dec 12, 2010 11:19:36 GMT
he is the biggest waste of money in the pulis regime- he is slow poor tackler no bite or fight to his game and i would swap him back for liam tomorrow- yesterday was exactly the type of game liam would have thrived in- realise not same position but hope you get my drift
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Post by thefiringdragon on Dec 12, 2010 11:22:00 GMT
wilson is a natural centre back int he and when i saw him playing there at pompey he looked fairly decent. for me he doesnt seem like one of the best midfielders imo. whelan can keep the ball well and pick out a pass and when he came on he made 3 or 4 good passes
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Dec 12, 2010 12:38:36 GMT
wilson is a natural centre back int he and when i saw him playing there at pompey he looked fairly decent. for me he doesnt seem like one of the best midfielders imo. whelan can keep the ball well and pick out a pass and when he came on he made 3 or 4 good passes That's the trouble, Pulis dunna want is midfieders passing, goes against everything he believes in. He wants them wants them just to run round.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 12, 2010 12:43:23 GMT
Never fails to amaze me how people can make judgements on players on so little evidence. The lad has hardly had a chance. Yesterday would have been a good opportunity for him but it would have been a brave move to break up a system that was, up till yesterday, achieving results.
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 12, 2010 12:47:13 GMT
Can't understand why the lad wasn't given a chance today. He couldn't have done any worse than Whitehead & Delap. He could have got the ball out wide & retained possession of the ball much better. Because Pulis picks the team based on what he's seen over the last few games and how they perform in training. He doesn't use a crystal ball to see how they will play in a game that hasn't started yet. Anybody can be a hindsight manager. It's a piece of piss.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 12, 2010 13:18:31 GMT
I'm a bit uncertain of how much we really paid for Wilson, but I think that was decent money to be a bit modest. If he was worth that kind of money he really should be given more time on the pitch, unless I can hardly see the reason for bringing him in!
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Post by amancalledhorse on Dec 12, 2010 13:32:12 GMT
I'd also have played Tuncs and Ethers on their "correct" wings in the later stages. Rudge sent a note down to Kemp. I also think it's off the back of the Fulham game. Presumably Pulis thinks Tuncay plays better on the wrong side though in the Fulham game, Ethers looked very poor. Possibly our most one-footed player.
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Post by fca47 on Dec 12, 2010 16:13:14 GMT
Without a passer our midfield is totally unbalanced , both Whitehead and Delap are reasonable in the defensive role, but their passing is woeful. Don't think Rory can justify his place. Would rather see Wilson and Whatehead given a chance. Though I have my doubts either of them are good enough, but at least give Wilson a try and find out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 16:24:12 GMT
Ethers did far more on the right than he did on the left. Delap has been our best midfielder for years and definitely this season so why drop him? As for Wilson I'm massively undecided on him, he's a bit Whiteheadish in the consistency stakes so far. I just wish we had signed someone better than him in the summer and someone that was ready for action straightaway.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Dec 12, 2010 16:32:40 GMT
He wasn't right for this game but is not a waste of space, showed he can pick a pass to unlock the game just needs to work on his defensive side!
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Post by mailman44 on Dec 12, 2010 17:26:15 GMT
Wilson will come good, he oozes quality. Patience folks!
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Post by joinerssquire on Dec 12, 2010 17:30:42 GMT
Wilson will come good, he oozes quality. Patience folks! I dont see why we should have to wait when our centre midfield is as abject as it is!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 17:32:52 GMT
Because when he has come in, he hasn't looked better than that "abject" midfield? ???
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Post by Roy Cropper on Dec 12, 2010 17:33:50 GMT
wilson is a natural centre back int he and when i saw him playing there at pompey he looked fairly decent. for me he doesnt seem like one of the best midfielders imo. whelan can keep the ball well and pick out a pass and when he came on he made 3 or 4 good passes WILSON IS NOT A CB!
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Post by joinerssquire on Dec 12, 2010 17:36:06 GMT
Because when he has come in, he hasn't looked better than that "abject" midfield? ??? I admit that his ability to find the ball boy with his passes isnt in Delaps league.
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Post by thefiringdragon on Dec 12, 2010 17:37:42 GMT
tuncay and whitehead for centre mid in my opinion and ill tell you why. pulis like his midfielders especialy centre midfielders running around alot, whitehead already does it and tuncay runs around everywhere when he comes on. now dont get me wrong rory runs about aswell and intercepts the ball, but he cant do anything or threaten the opposition when he has got it. where as if u had tuncay he will get interceptions in, and when hes got the ball he can do alot with it and he also has a good first time pass. pugh could proberly play this role aswell as he does the same thing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 17:38:16 GMT
It's not because he get dispossessed before he can pass it. He needs to be quicker mentally and physically perhaps or he won't cope.
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Post by joinerssquire on Dec 12, 2010 17:40:52 GMT
As opposed to our existing midfield who just 'get rid' at the earliest opportunity no matter where it goes.
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 12, 2010 17:43:41 GMT
thefiringdragon: Tuncay will never get a game in center midfield! It's not a case of running around a lot, it's sitting 'in the cage' and screening the defence. Tuncay is not disciplined enough to aid the defence.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 17:44:38 GMT
I'd rather see that than losing the ball in a very dangerous position which seems to be Wilson's thing based on the few times he has played. But he can improve upon that and if he did and if he learnt how to tackle then yes Wilson should probably play.
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Post by thefiringdragon on Dec 12, 2010 17:49:51 GMT
agree a bit but tbh deano could be the more of the defensive centre mid and tunny could be the more attacking one. because he he works back when hes up front so hell do it in midfield. plus he could adapt to playing there, although didnt boro play him in centre for a while and i know hes played centre the odd occation for turkey because me mates turkish and he said he has done before a few times.
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Post by joinerssquire on Dec 12, 2010 17:51:38 GMT
I'd rather see that than losing the ball in a very dangerous position which seems to be Wilson's thing based on the few times he has played. But he can improve upon that and if he did and if he learnt how to tackle then yes Wilson should probably play. And how many goals has this 'losing the ball in very dangerous positions' cost us then? I'd rather go with the view that he might help us score more goals than he costs us - thats what I'd like to see from our midfield. Looks like I might have to wait a while though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 17:53:07 GMT
I'd rather see that than losing the ball in a very dangerous position which seems to be Wilson's thing based on the few times he has played. But he can improve upon that and if he did and if he learnt how to tackle then yes Wilson should probably play. And how many goals has this 'losing the ball in very dangerous positions' cost us then? I'd rather go with the view that he might help us score more goals than he costs us - thats what I'd like to see from our midfield. Looks like I might have to wait a while though. Not a clue but then again Whitehad and Delap haven't cost us goals by doing what they do either. What all of our midfielders to do though is allow pressure.
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Post by joinerssquire on Dec 12, 2010 17:56:55 GMT
And how many goals has this 'losing the ball in very dangerous positions' cost us then? I'd rather go with the view that he might help us score more goals than he costs us - thats what I'd like to see from our midfield. Looks like I might have to wait a while though. Not a clue but then again Whitehad and Delap haven't cost us goals by doing what they do either. What all of our midfielders to do though is allow pressure. Dont forget they also give the ball away with monotonous regularity.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2010 18:00:15 GMT
Not a clue but then again Whitehad and Delap haven't cost us goals by doing what they do either. What all of our midfielders to do though is allow pressure. Dont forget they also give the ball away with monotonous regularity. As does Wilson and that's where the pressure comes into it. Delap only made 7 misplaced passes though yesterday.......
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Post by joinerssquire on Dec 12, 2010 18:02:56 GMT
Dont forget they also give the ball away with monotonous regularity. As does Wilson and that's where the pressure comes into it. Delap only made 7 misplaced passes though yesterday....... How did he manage that??? He was only in possession of the thing 6 times.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 12, 2010 18:05:26 GMT
I think that Wilson has shown that he is a decent passer of the ball with good vision but is extremely lightweight and takes far too much time on the ball. Fortunately he can work on these weaknesses as he has the talent but I dint think he'll see too many starts this season. I think Sidwell could do a job for us, we were unlucky that Huddlestone and Jenas got injured for Spuds as Palacios was way down the pecking order and would fit into our midfield perfectly. Stephen Ireland would be an immense signing.
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