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Post by Hiram on Mar 31, 2008 11:04:03 GMT
Sorry Billy, I think I've been unclear about my bizarre proposal!
That's alright! I see what you mean now but I still think it would be unworkable as there's no way any team would replay a match knowing they can't win, would they?
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Post by jnb14 on Mar 31, 2008 11:40:09 GMT
Plus, in any replay, suppose a Stoke player was injured, or booked - or a Wednesday player for that matter?
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Post by potter84 on Mar 31, 2008 11:46:20 GMT
One positive to take from this is Leeds lost so had no points deducted. But Wednesday's point might just keep them up or stop us goin up. They should have their point deducted & give us all 3. But you know what the FA are like at times, they will most probably do;
1. Give them a big fine 2. Warn them that if they do it again they will be docked points.
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Post by lordb on Mar 31, 2008 12:09:27 GMT
Pedants corner: its nothing to do with the FA - which is a shem as Peter Coates has some influence in that organsiation
Its the Football League that has a decision to make.
If this was in non-league then the game would already have been awarded to us 3.0 as the fielding if ineligable players is a more common occurance.
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Post by potter84 on Mar 31, 2008 12:11:28 GMT
Either way - FA or FL they still wont do the decent thing and give us the points. They will do like a said - Fine & a Warning.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Mar 31, 2008 12:13:25 GMT
Without question, this would be by far the fairest outcome of the shambles, with West Brazil, What?ford, Brizzle and 'ull all deducted three points if they complain about it! ;D
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Post by Admin on Mar 31, 2008 12:13:23 GMT
If this had been a cup tie they would almost certainly award us the tie. At worst, if we'd lost the original cup tie we'd get a re-match. Just because it's a league game that should not diminish the fundamental core issue, whereby we lost two points due to an equaliser scored by a player who was part of an ILLEGAL allocation of players in a squad. If Songo'o had not played we may well have claimed all three points. That he did play is at the very heart of this issue. Stoke left two players OUT of their squad to comply with the rules and Wednesday STRENGTHENED their options by naming six players. It doesn't matter that they only used four - they still gave themselves extra options by naming six. What other clubs, such as Hull, West Brom, Bristol City, etc, might feel is irrelevant and they can go to tell in a hand basket. The only thing which matters is that Stoke were denied points and another team gained as a direct result of laws of the game being visibly and undeniably broken. IF the Football League had a spine they would simply award the game 1-0 to Stoke and fine Sheffield Wednesday for their stupidity and the fact that they prospered by cheating. It seems such a ridiculous mistake to make that I am inclined to suspect deliberate foul-play from a desperate team at the foot of the table. Even if it's an honest mistake it was still illegal and it still deprived Stoke as a result. The right thing to do is to award Stoke the game but they won't have the courage to do it. They will let us keep our point, take Sheffield Wednesday's off them and then slap their wrists with some insignificant and derisory fine!
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Post by robin1302 on Mar 31, 2008 12:13:52 GMT
There is no way on this earth we will get the two points!
It will be a fine, and possibly the point deducted off Wednesday imo
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Post by potter84 on Mar 31, 2008 12:15:09 GMT
Too tru. Cheating Yorkshire Bastard's
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Post by lordb on Mar 31, 2008 12:15:19 GMT
wouldnt be surprised if the League suspend the decison until AFTER the season.
then they can choose a punishment that wont piss of WBA e.t.c.
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Mar 31, 2008 12:16:19 GMT
AGREE SMUDGE!!
Also, if Wed were winning 2-1, they could've brought on a defensive LOANEE on of the extra options, to sure it up at the back!! Where we only had fooking Buxton....(Zak if loan rules didn't apply who is far better ;D )
THEY HAD FAR MORE TACTICAL OPTIONS, AND HAD A HUGE ADVANTAGE BECAUSE OF THIS!
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Post by oneteaminbristol on Mar 31, 2008 12:19:39 GMT
Talk about desperate. you drew the game 1-1 so how on earth are you entitled to extra points Sheffield Wednesday should and could possibly be deducted the point they took from the game and a severe fine for them should suffice. Why should the other 5 or so teams challenging for promotion be hindered and penalised for Wednesday's incompetence. You should of won the game with the amount of chances you created regardless of how many loanees Wednesday had out.
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Post by potter84 on Mar 31, 2008 12:21:23 GMT
Talk about cheating - i see D'urso was on your side. I did not realize he was from Bristol. Even the 4th official said he was wrong.
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Mar 31, 2008 12:21:40 GMT
Talk about desperate. you drew the game 1-1 so how on earth are you entitled to extra points Sheffield Wednesday should and could possibly be deducted the point they took from the game and a severe fine for them should suffice. Why should the other 5 or so teams challenging for promotion be hindered and penalised for Wednesday's incompetence. You should of won the game with the amount of chances you created regardless of how many loanees Wednesday had out. oooo aawwwrrr ;D
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Post by stokebill on Mar 31, 2008 12:21:59 GMT
It does seem ludicrous to suspect anything other than a honest cock up, and I'm sure it is. It was such a widely known rule on this messageboard though. Then there is the fact that Slusarski isn't listed as a loan player on their official website... www.swfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/ProfilesDetail/0,,10304~34926,00.html Edit: oneteaminbristol, so should we bring Paul Gallagher off the bench in our upcoming fixture, as a 6th loan signing, and he scores a late equaliser. You'll be happy with the 1 point instead of 3? Be honest now.
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Post by potter84 on Mar 31, 2008 12:23:52 GMT
Well he is a loan player - was signed on Thursday (LOAN DEADLINE DAY)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2008 12:24:46 GMT
but Mr Bristol man
it effects us as well . They have cheated and the points should go to us
if it was you what would you think, mmmmm Bristol should be awarded the points, of course you would
whats's right is right
nothing to do with desperation
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Post by andy9196 on Mar 31, 2008 12:26:51 GMT
For a replay, if there is one, which i dont think there will be. They obviously have to change their team (16), can we now Fuller if Back ???
I think they will get a fine a point deducted, and we will be unfortnately be told to get on with it...
Typical piss poor FA.
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Post by Admin on Mar 31, 2008 12:34:04 GMT
Talk about desperate. you drew the game 1-1 so how on earth are you entitled to extra points Sheffield Wednesday should and could possibly be deducted the point they took from the game and a severe fine for them should suffice. Why should the other 5 or so teams challenging for promotion be hindered and penalised for Wednesday's incompetence. You should of won the game with the amount of chances you created regardless of how many loanees Wednesday had out. Look, the mere fact that you're here shows that you're worried. If it was the other way around I daresay we'd have Stoke fans on your board complaining. The FACT is that a player who was part of an illegal contingent of players scored a goal which denied us two points. If that happened to you are honestly you'd sit back and say nothing?
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Post by supergerrytaggart on Mar 31, 2008 12:34:32 GMT
If this had been a cup tie they would almost certainly award us the tie. At worst, if we'd lost the original cup tie we'd get a re-match. Just because it's a league game that should not diminish the fundamental core issue, whereby we lost two points due to an equaliser scored by a player who was part of an ILLEGAL allocation of players in a squad. If Songo'o had not played we may well have claimed all three points. That he did play is at the very heart of this issue. Stoke left two players OUT of their squad to comply with the rules and Wednesday STRENGTHENED their options by naming six players. It doesn't matter that they only used four - they still gave themselves extra options by naming six. What other clubs, such as Hull, West Brom, Bristol City, etc, might feel is irrelevant and they can go to tell in a hand basket. The only thing which matters is that Stoke were denied points and another team gained as a direct result of laws of the game being visibly and undeniably broken. IF the Football League had a spine they would simply award the game 1-0 to Stoke and fine Sheffield Wednesday for their stupidity and the fact that they prospered by cheating. It seems such a ridiculous mistake to make that I am inclined to suspect deliberate foul-play from a desperate team at the foot of the table. Even if it's an honest mistake it was still illegal and it still deprived Stoke as a result. The right thing to do is to award Stoke the game but they won't have the courage to do it. They will let us keep our point, take Sheffield Wednesday's off them and then slap their wrists with some insignificant and derisory fine! One ray of hope is that I don't think the FA will like having to put an asterisk next to Wednesday's name. I reckon they'll want to do it cleanly in a mathematical sense. That means either deduct no points or reward us the win. I doubt they will just deduct the point from Wednesday.
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Post by oneteaminbristol on Mar 31, 2008 12:57:29 GMT
Talk about desperate. you drew the game 1-1 so how on earth are you entitled to extra points Sheffield Wednesday should and could possibly be deducted the point they took from the game and a severe fine for them should suffice. Why should the other 5 or so teams challenging for promotion be hindered and penalised for Wednesday's incompetence. You should of won the game with the amount of chances you created regardless of how many Lonee's Wednesday had out. Look, the mere fact that you're here shows that you're worried. If it was the other way around I daresay we'd have Stoke fans on your board complaining. The FACT is that a player who was part of an illegal contingent of players scored a goal which denied us two points. If that happened to you are honestly you'd sit back and say nothing? Ive been on this forum for weeks so I haven't registered to complain. It was a clerical oversight and the game it's self was still 11 v11 and a game you should of won regardless of this Lonee issue. Like I said Wednesday should be punished for their mistake but Stoke should not benefit from Wednesday's incompetence. Would leave a bitter taste in the mouth if Stoke we're award 2 extra points due to an technicality .
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Post by Peterdobingspipe on Mar 31, 2008 12:58:19 GMT
As Lordb says, this is a Football League matter, not the FA. However the FL will pussyfoot around in exactly the same way as the FA, not wanting the threat of legal action from West Brazil, Watford Hull etc if it were to award us an extra two points.
Sheffield Weds will get a fine ( doubt if they will even get a points deduction) and I'm afraid we will need to just get over it.
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Post by dexter97 on Mar 31, 2008 13:08:16 GMT
Look, the mere fact that you're here shows that you're worried. If it was the other way around I daresay we'd have Stoke fans on your board complaining. The FACT is that a player who was part of an illegal contingent of players scored a goal which denied us two points. If that happened to you are honestly you'd sit back and say nothing? Ive been on this forum for weeks so I haven't registered to complain. It was a clerical oversight and the game it's self was still 11 v11 and a game you should of won regardless of this Lonee issue. Like I said Wednesday should be punished for their mistake but Stoke should not benefit from Wednesday's incompetence. Would leave a bitter taste in the mouth if Stoke we're award 2 extra points due to an technicality . You didn't answer the question though: If this had happened to you, are you honestly saying you'd sit back and say Bristol should get nothing?
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Post by jnb14 on Mar 31, 2008 13:09:30 GMT
Well, there's not only West Brazil, etc. to consider. I don't suppose Coventry, Barnsley, Southampton and so on, would not consider legal action if they were relegated by one point?
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Post by oneteaminbristol on Mar 31, 2008 13:27:36 GMT
Ive been on this forum for weeks so I haven't registered to complain. It was a clerical oversight and the game it's self was still 11 v11 and a game you should of won regardless of this Lonee issue. Like I said Wednesday should be punished for their mistake but Stoke should not benefit from Wednesday's incompetence. Would leave a bitter taste in the mouth if Stoke we're award 2 extra points due to an technicality . You didn't answer the question though: If this had happened to you, are you honestly saying you'd sit back and say Bristol should get nothing? Stoke got what they deserved on the day,a point. End of. The admin error by Wednesday is seperate issue and to try and use that to gain extra points is wrong. Would you all be making a song and dance had you of won? Exactly-Wednesday will be punished and rightly so but Stoke do not deserve to get points given to them just becaus they wern't good enough on the pitch on the day. You scally wags will try anything to gain an avantage in the promotion race ;D
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Post by beagriestache on Mar 31, 2008 13:30:47 GMT
Wednesday will get a small fine and a suspended fine for another breach and that will be it.
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Post by dexter97 on Mar 31, 2008 13:35:32 GMT
Ever considered a career in politics, oneteaminbristol? Answer the question!
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Post by tsm on Mar 31, 2008 13:37:56 GMT
You didn't answer the question though: If this had happened to you, are you honestly saying you'd sit back and say Bristol should get nothing? Stoke got what they deserved on the day,a point. End of. The admin error by Wednesday is seperate issue and to try and use that to gain extra points is wrong. Would you all be making a song and dance had you of won? Exactly-Wednesday will be punished and rightly so but Stoke do not deserve to get points given to them just becaus they wern't good enough on the pitch on the day. You scally wags will try anything to gain an avantage in the promotion race ;D That's "we'd do just the same", then.
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Post by rhodesy on Mar 31, 2008 13:42:17 GMT
Fingers CROSSED!!
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Post by oneteaminbristol on Mar 31, 2008 13:45:15 GMT
Ever considered a career in politics, oneteaminbristol? Answer the question! I have answered the question, Stoke drew and the result should stand. Your just frustrated because you didn't win and are using this technicality to try and get yourself some undeserved points. Deep down many of you know the draw should stand as that was the result you got on the day, don't you think it would taint any achievements this season if the FL were to award you with bonus points?
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