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Post by stokingstokie on Nov 17, 2010 13:42:19 GMT
- Saved the club from almost certain relegation in 2002/2003 - Promoted the club from the Championship to the Premiership in 2007/2008 - Signed one of the most promising CB's in the country in Ryan Shawcross - Kept Stoke in the Premier League 2 years running with victories over Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool, Tottenham and Hull( ) along the way - Ensured sell out crowds almost every week at a Stadium that has been revolutionised for the Premiership - Earned the club Millions of £'s year upon year - Given the city of SOT some much needed buzz and increased the reputation of the city - Signed players like Kenwyne Jones, Tuncay, Jermaine Pennant, Robert Huth, James Beattie and Matty Etherington However much you won't want to admit it as a PHW he has done an awful lot for this club and it's supporters. Arguably the most successful but imho still the Second best manager we have had in our history.
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Post by miltonstokie on Nov 17, 2010 13:50:28 GMT
Thatznotabus. Fromafailures a joker and a windup merchant that never ever goes and you're welcome. or Twat for short
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 17, 2010 13:52:25 GMT
faf you are a joke
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 17, 2010 13:53:49 GMT
Thatznotabus. Fromafailures a joker and a windup merchant that never ever goes and you're welcome. tazi, even for a total loser like you, your ONE wrong argument of never having been to a game is lame beyond description ! ;D but still amusing however
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Post by boneym on Nov 17, 2010 13:57:30 GMT
So Big Sam (at Bolton), Alan Curbishley (at Charlton), Paul Jewell (at Wigan) acheived nothing for their respective clubs?????? It's obvious that because Tony Waddington brought a trophy back to Stoke on Trent he pips Tony Pulis. But to say the man has done nothing when as some one said further up, he transformed this club beyond all recognition in a matter of seasons is probably talking the man down... come on FAF, bring yourself to admit that the 2nd most successful manager in Stoke City's history is doing rather well. Especially when put into the context of his era. ohhh, you rimmers are so cute !! but you did hit the nail on the head, he probably is our 2nd best manager ever, never disputed that. most of you rimmers claim he is the best ! he still has only "won" us promotion and the borderline fiasco that is this season so far doesnt bode well, after losing 7 of 11 then winning 2 in a row is hardly cause to celebrate the worlds greatest manager now is it ? it really is amazing what a win, even a fantastic win over a so called Liverpool team, can do for the psyche. that's why i want to see more. And when start getting more wins on a consistent basis, lets talk again about how good Pulis is Firstly, I find it rather sad that for me to be positive about my club and specifically it's manager you feel the need to call me a rimmer. I do not blindly follow the manager and his decisions. I often question team selection, signings etc with friends and refrain from doing such on boards like this because there are far too many like yourself who are much better at cynicism than I. 2ndly it's funny how many of the cynics have gotten what they wanted in terms of team selection and tactics this year, ie 2 wingers, less of Delap, more of Tuncay and yet bemoan the "inconsistancy" of the team. When a closer look at the results would suggest that factors such as a change in personal from week to week, the likes of Abdy dropping his standard, reffing decisions, have impacted and turned draws into defeats on several occasions. However 5 wins, in my opinion, isn't bad and if you think we should have three or four more and therefore be up in 1st-3rd place then that just shows us all how highly you regard of our brave leader and his team and what you think they are capable of. 3rdly, I don't know when I or any other poster suggested he is world class or infact the worlds greatest manager. If it suits your agenda to exaggerate the claims of others then fine. As far as I'm concerned, he's a successful manager at an upwardly mobile club, who clearly cares for his employers, employees and fans. Whilst we don't always agree with his decisions I think he has earned the trust of the fans when he makes them. So in the words of the manager, I will continue to not get too down when we lose or to excited when we win. But you cannot tell me I shouldn't enjoy the good times and these are certainly good times for a Stokie.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2010 14:01:13 GMT
I love how thinking the club's most successful manager in decades is doing a good job makes you a "rimmer" in foofy's world.
He's clearly done more than "nothing", especially given the way football has gone.
Shawi - yes, Coates is as much to credit, but Pulis still had to spend that money on the players who would get us promoted and keep us up, and he's done that. Plenty of other managers spent similar amounts to us (or more) in the promotion season (Wolves, Watford, Leicester, Sheffield Utd etc) and we finished comfortably above them.
Yes, he's signed a lot of duffers and makes some unfathomable, borderline retarded decisions a fair amount of the time, but overall he's done a terrific job and far, far more than "nowt".
Sign me up for going back to the Isle of Man pre-season as well.
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 17, 2010 14:03:37 GMT
ohhh, you rimmers are so cute !! but you did hit the nail on the head, he probably is our 2nd best manager ever, never disputed that. most of you rimmers claim he is the best ! he still has only "won" us promotion and the borderline fiasco that is this season so far doesnt bode well, after losing 7 of 11 then winning 2 in a row is hardly cause to celebrate the worlds greatest manager now is it ? it really is amazing what a win, even a fantastic win over a so called Liverpool team, can do for the psyche. that's why i want to see more. And when start getting more wins on a consistent basis, lets talk again about how good Pulis is Firstly, I find it rather sad that for me to be positive about my club and specifically it's manager you feel the need to call me a rimmer. I do not blindly follow the manager and his decisions. I often question team selection, signings etc with friends and refrain from doing such on boards like this because there are far too many like yourself who are much better at cynicism than I. 2ndly it's funny how many of the cynics have gotten what they wanted in terms of team selection and tactics this year, ie 2 wingers, less of Delap, more of Tuncay and yet bemoan the "inconsistancy" of the team. When a closer look at the results would suggest that factors such as a change in personal from week to week, the likes of Abdy dropping his standard, reffing decisions, have impacted and turned draws into defeats on several occasions. However 5 wins, in my opinion, isn't bad and if you think we should have three or four more and therefore be up in 1st-3rd place then that just shows us all how highly you regard of our brave leader and his team and what you think they are capable of. 3rdly, I don't know when I or any other poster suggested he is world class or infact the worlds greatest manager. If it suits your agenda to exaggerate the claims of others then fine. As far as I'm concerned, he's a successful manager at an upwardly mobile club, who clearly cares for his employers, employees and fans. Whilst we don't always agree with his decisions I think he has earned the trust of the fans when he makes them. So in the words of the manager, I will continue to not get too down when we lose or to excited when we win. But you cannot tell me I shouldn't enjoy the good times and these are certainly good times for a Stokie. the fact you dispute Stoke as being inconsistent this season tells me you know absolutely nothing about football, and probably anything else for that matter ! losing 3 in a row, winning 3 and drawing 1 then losing 4 in a row now winning 2 in a row to you is what to you ? read the article about what Shawcross said, well actually, no need to read further than the headline : Shawcross: "We need consistency"
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 17, 2010 14:06:32 GMT
Waddington was arguably our best ever manager, but that was when the league was a level playing field.
Tony Pulis who is arguably our second best ever manager has done it on an unlevel playing field. But with commitment, knowledge, his own take on tactics (which some fans hate) he has improved our club.
You seem to forget that Premier League teams have over 20 years advantage over us faf.
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 17, 2010 14:09:58 GMT
Waddington was arguably our best ever manager, but that was when the league was a level playing field. Tony Pulis who is arguably our second best ever manager has done it on an unlevel playing field. But with commitment, knowledge, his own take on tactics (which some fans hate) he has improved out club. You seem to forget that Premier League teams have over 20 years advantage over us. NEVER said he hasnt improved the team he has. NEVER said he hasnt improved the standing of the team he has ! not all premier league teams have 20 yrs over us, we did lose to Wolves first game of the season. this idiotic argument of how wonderful he is and the caliber of player like Beattie, Kitson, Pennant etc. lets not forget Banks, Hurst, Hudson, Greenhoff etc .
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 17, 2010 14:13:35 GMT
where do you expect us to finish this season faf?
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 17, 2010 14:15:01 GMT
Banks, Hurst, Hudson and Grenhoff played before I was even born! This is the best standard I have ever seen in my lifetime! Thats why I am a big fan of TP and turn the occasional blind eye when he makes a decision I don't agree with
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Post by boneym on Nov 17, 2010 14:19:05 GMT
Firstly, I find it rather sad that for me to be positive about my club and specifically it's manager you feel the need to call me a rimmer. I do not blindly follow the manager and his decisions. I often question team selection, signings etc with friends and refrain from doing such on boards like this because there are far too many like yourself who are much better at cynicism than I. 2ndly it's funny how many of the cynics have gotten what they wanted in terms of team selection and tactics this year, ie 2 wingers, less of Delap, more of Tuncay and yet bemoan the "inconsistancy" of the team. When a closer look at the results would suggest that factors such as a change in personal from week to week, the likes of Abdy dropping his standard, reffing decisions, have impacted and turned draws into defeats on several occasions. However 5 wins, in my opinion, isn't bad and if you think we should have three or four more and therefore be up in 1st-3rd place then that just shows us all how highly you regard of our brave leader and his team and what you think they are capable of. 3rdly, I don't know when I or any other poster suggested he is world class or infact the worlds greatest manager. If it suits your agenda to exaggerate the claims of others then fine. As far as I'm concerned, he's a successful manager at an upwardly mobile club, who clearly cares for his employers, employees and fans. Whilst we don't always agree with his decisions I think he has earned the trust of the fans when he makes them. So in the words of the manager, I will continue to not get too down when we lose or to excited when we win. But you cannot tell me I shouldn't enjoy the good times and these are certainly good times for a Stokie. the fact you dispute Stoke as being inconsistent this season tells me you know absolutely nothing about football, and probably anything else for that matter ! losing 3 in a row, winning 3 and drawing 1 then losing 4 in a row now winning 2 in a row to you is what to you ? read the article about what Shawcross said, well actually, no need to read further than the headline : Shawcross: "We need consistency" I can't see where I said that we weren't inconsisitant. And you telling me I know nothing about football or anything else I take as a massive compliment and gives me a warm feeling inside. We have been inconsistant, results wise. I'd say performances are on an upwards trend. But as I said, there are factors beyond 'W, L or D'. I'd suggest you yourself know nothing as consistancy is only desirable if you are winning week in week out, otherwise it means nothing. Yet you harp on about it as if it was the path to heaven. Saying we need consistancy is a given! It's up there with "we need a goal to win the game" and "if we stop them from shooting they won't score." As I actually quite clearly pointed out, we are in a healthy points position, very much on course to improve on last year infact, and look to be improving week on week as a team - that is the consistancy you want, results will follow fom that - referees willing. I do you see you point though, if our form guide read: W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W - That would be wonderful, but obviously we can't expect that, so if the team had only seen sense to follow your advice we could have gone for: L,L,L,L,L,L,L,D,W,W,W,W,W. Obviously that would be more consitent and wouldn't trouble your puney mind so much. Unfortunately we would probably be bereft of confidence and certainly cut adrift at the bottom of the table after 8 games.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Nov 17, 2010 14:20:40 GMT
Ain't knocking Tone, but let's stop the Jizfest - we ain't won nowt yet. Our best manager ever! But some folk will never be happy! ;D ;D ;D Bit early for that mate.
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 17, 2010 14:22:09 GMT
the fact you dispute Stoke as being inconsistent this season tells me you know absolutely nothing about football, and probably anything else for that matter ! losing 3 in a row, winning 3 and drawing 1 then losing 4 in a row now winning 2 in a row to you is what to you ? read the article about what Shawcross said, well actually, no need to read further than the headline : Shawcross: "We need consistency" I can't see where I said that we weren't inconsisitant. And you telling me I know nothing about football or anything else I take as a massive compliment and gives me a warm feeling inside. We have been inconsistant, results wise. I'd say performances are on an upwards trend. But as I said, there are factors beyond 'W, L or D'. I'd suggest you yourself know nothing as consistancy is only desirable if you are winning week in week out, otherwise it means nothing. Yet you harp on about it as if it was the path to heaven. Saying we need consistancy is a given! It's up there with "we need a goal to win the game" and "if we stop them from shooting they won't score." As I actually quite clearly pointed out, we are in a healthy points position, very much on course to improve on last year infact, and look to be improving week on week as a team - that is the consistancy you want, results will follow fom that - referees willing. I do you see you point though, if our form guide read: W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W - That would be wonderful, but obviously we can't expect that, so if the team had only seen sense to follow your advice we could have gone for: L,L,L,L,L,L,L,D,W,W,W,W,W. Obviously that would be more consitent and wouldn't trouble your puney mind so much. Unfortunately we would probably be bereft of confidence and certainly cut adrift at the bottom of the table after 8 games. come on man, you are not that thick are you ?? that many losses in a row followed by that many wins would be even more inconsistent than we are now ! at least try and think before you type, it would help tremendously
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Post by jen on Nov 17, 2010 14:31:06 GMT
I can't see where I said that we weren't inconsisitant. And you telling me I know nothing about football or anything else I take as a massive compliment and gives me a warm feeling inside. We have been inconsistant, results wise. I'd say performances are on an upwards trend. But as I said, there are factors beyond 'W, L or D'. I'd suggest you yourself know nothing as consistancy is only desirable if you are winning week in week out, otherwise it means nothing. Yet you harp on about it as if it was the path to heaven. Saying we need consistancy is a given! It's up there with "we need a goal to win the game" and "if we stop them from shooting they won't score." As I actually quite clearly pointed out, we are in a healthy points position, very much on course to improve on last year infact, and look to be improving week on week as a team - that is the consistancy you want, results will follow fom that - referees willing. I do you see you point though, if our form guide read: W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W - That would be wonderful, but obviously we can't expect that, so if the team had only seen sense to follow your advice we could have gone for: L,L,L,L,L,L,L,D,W,W,W,W,W. Obviously that would be more consitent and wouldn't trouble your puney mind so much. Unfortunately we would probably be bereft of confidence and certainly cut adrift at the bottom of the table after 8 games. come on man, you are not that thick are you ?? that many losses in a row followed by that many wins would be even more inconsistent than we are now ! at least try and think before you type, it would help tremendously FAF i think you need to look up the definition of consistent - unvarying over a period of time - so LLLL and WWWW are BOTH more consistent than WLWL or WDWD. What people mean when they say they want more consistency is that they want more wins.
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Post by boneym on Nov 17, 2010 14:31:29 GMT
Consistancy is the following of a trend in a sequence. The longer the trend is followed a certain direction, the more consitant the trend is seen to be. The more changes in the trend, the more inconsitant the trend is seen to be. ie. L,L,L,L,L,L,L,D,W,W,W,W,W has two changes. L,L,L,W,D,W,W,L,L,L,L,W,W has 5 changes in trend, therefore this sequence is more inconsistant.
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Post by boneym on Nov 17, 2010 14:32:23 GMT
come on man, you are not that thick are you ?? that many losses in a row followed by that many wins would be even more inconsistent than we are now ! at least try and think before you type, it would help tremendously FAF i think you need to look up the definition of consistent - unvarying over a period of time - so LLLL and WWWW are BOTH more consistent than WLWL or WDWD. What people mean when they say they want more consistency is that they want more wins. I think we may need to get the sock puppets out.
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 17, 2010 14:47:12 GMT
haha, the sock puppets would be ace! ;D
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Post by boneym on Nov 17, 2010 14:49:35 GMT
haha, the sock puppets would be ace! ;D
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 17, 2010 14:53:38 GMT
Consistancy is the following of a trend in a sequence. The longer the trend is followed a certain direction, the more consitant the trend is seen to be. The more changes in the trend, the more inconsitant the trend is seen to be. ie. L,L,L,L,L,L,L,D,W,W,W,W,W has two changes. L,L,L,W,D,W,W,L,L,L,L,W,W has 5 changes in trend, therefore this sequence is more inconsistant. good god, yes you really are that thick !!! why do i have to explain even the EASY things to some people !! as anyone can see that has any semblance of a brain, with the 3 losses in a row, then 4 in a row, what I say on here and Shawcross says in his interview, is we need more consistency in wins, and less losses in a row. get it now ?? no, some thing tells me you dont !
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 17, 2010 14:59:53 GMT
We are not Chelski or Man Utd. So realistically we will never win 5 or 6 games in a row.
But that doesn't stop us from aiming for those standards!!
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Post by boneym on Nov 17, 2010 15:01:15 GMT
As I said before - saying we need to win more games is like saying we need to score more goals than the other team, or if we don't want them to score it's important we don't let them shoot.... it's a given - it doesn't need to be said because it's the point of what we are trying to do. The way you contradict yourself is emmense - you expect this manager and this team to be capable of "consistancy" which lets say is another 3 or 4 more wins (putting us top as it happens) yet you talk the manager and his chosen players down at every opportuinity!! Is he capable or not FAF???????? Your not being CONSISTENT!!!!
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 17, 2010 15:05:18 GMT
As I said before - saying we need to win more games is like saying we need to score more goals than the other team, or if we don't want them to score it's important we don't let them shoot.... it's a given - it doesn't need to be said because it's the point of what we are trying to do. The way you contradict yourself is emmense - you expect this manager and this team to be capable of "consistancy" which lets say is another 3 or 4 more wins (putting us top as it happens) yet you talk the manager and his chosen players down at every opportuinity!! Is he capable or not FAF???????? Your not being CONSISTENT!!!! bloody hell, were yo udropped on your head as a child ...... and every day since ?? even when the captain of our teams demands more consistency you ramble on aimlessly. its a matter of not losing 3-4 in a row, we will lose games, but putting a stop to the losing streaks, may keep them to 1 or 2 in a row !! shall i type slower, so you'll get it ? type in braille, use sign language, or hey, even use your sock puppet you seem to like so much to explain it !
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Post by jen on Nov 17, 2010 15:06:56 GMT
Consistancy is the following of a trend in a sequence. The longer the trend is followed a certain direction, the more consitant the trend is seen to be. The more changes in the trend, the more inconsitant the trend is seen to be. ie. L,L,L,L,L,L,L,D,W,W,W,W,W has two changes. L,L,L,W,D,W,W,L,L,L,L,W,W has 5 changes in trend, therefore this sequence is more inconsistant. good god, yes you really are that thick !!! why do i have to explain even the EASY things to some people !! as anyone can see that has any semblance of a brain, with the 3 losses in a row, then 4 in a row, what I say on here and Shawcross says in his interview, is we need more consistency in wins, and less losses in a row. get it now ?? no, some thing tells me you dont ! Yep - just as i said - when people say "consistency" what they really mean is more wins and fewer losses.
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 17, 2010 15:09:49 GMT
good god, yes you really are that thick !!! why do i have to explain even the EASY things to some people !! as anyone can see that has any semblance of a brain, with the 3 losses in a row, then 4 in a row, what I say on here and Shawcross says in his interview, is we need more consistency in wins, and less losses in a row. get it now ?? no, some thing tells me you dont ! Yep - just as i said - when people say "consistency" what they really mean is more wins and fewer losses. nooooooo, you think ? and all this time i thought Shawcross was demanding more consistent losses !!
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Post by jen on Nov 17, 2010 15:14:47 GMT
Yep - just as i said - when people say "consistency" what they really mean is more wins and fewer losses. nooooooo, you think ? and all this time i thought Shawcross was demanding more consistent losses !! No but you keep on banging on about us being streaky and go on about consistency as if it's the be all and end all. Well I'd rather have a "streaky" than a "consistent" DDDDDD.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2010 15:20:30 GMT
How many teams in the Premier League are "consistent"?
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Post by boneym on Nov 17, 2010 15:21:44 GMT
Your my new favourite thing!!! I've said, performance's have been on a upward trend, that is the variable the manager and team control. Unfortunately some of the uncontrollables haven't - ie ref decisions and quality of the opposition (Man U, Chelsea for example). I fully understand what people talk about in terms of football consistency, but as I said - its a given to want it! Shawcross saying it in an interview is just a nice bit for a paper, you hanging on to the concept of consistancy like TP's never fucking thought of it is hilarious. Then your self indulgent belief that no one else understands you and even lashing out at someone who is trying translate for you!!! You're funny
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Post by monkhousestokie on Nov 17, 2010 15:24:48 GMT
nooooooo, you think ? and all this time i thought Shawcross was demanding more consistent losses !! Hang on. Let's give this a go:
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 17, 2010 15:25:03 GMT
Your my new favourite thing!!! I've said, performance's have been on a upward trend, that is the variable the manager and team control. Unfortunately some of the uncontrollables haven't - ie ref decisions and quality of the opposition (Man U, Chelsea for example). I fully understand what people talk about in terms of football consistency, but as I said - its a given to want it! Shawcross saying it in an interview is just a nice bit for a paper, you hanging on to the concept of consistancy like TP's never fucking thought of it is hilarious. Then your self indulgent belief that no one else understands you and even lashing out at someone who is trying translate for you!!! You're funny well im glad you think so ;D, you know what they say, small things amuse small minds. didnt realize it was true til now !!
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