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Post by fromafar07 on Oct 24, 2010 21:56:12 GMT
while Collins seems to be improving, Faye is not ! put Huth where he belongs and use Higgy over there
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Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2010 21:56:49 GMT
davejonno. 2ng goal Abdy was not goal-side as Hernandez sidefooted home? Are you seriously saying he was blameless because in my basic book of defending the defender SURELY has to be goal-side,yes? jonno
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 24, 2010 21:58:43 GMT
It is indeed suitcase and it is what this board has lost over the last few years in my opinion. We have just exchanged views without a single derogatory comment made. There was a time that such a debate would be the norm on this forum! I know mate. Not all progress is good. The art of conversation and humour is a dying skill.
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Post by march4 on Oct 24, 2010 21:58:49 GMT
Having Higgy there will help as he's always shouting across the line. Sometimes I think our mistakes are due to poor communication. Higgy is a great leader,organiser and Huth is a different player when in the middle. How this is not seen by the so called 'professionals is a bit of a joke really' We agree
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Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2010 22:00:33 GMT
You are kidding me!!! Im in shock.
YOU KNOW IM ALWAYS RIGHT!!!
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Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2010 22:00:57 GMT
jonno,are you about?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 24, 2010 22:01:38 GMT
I disagree with that Jarhead if that is what you are asking.
Abdy was in the middle of the goals wasn't he? On that basis, he was goalside as the goals would have been either side of him!
As I said, the goal was a catalogue of errors really. Higgy let Berbatov cross with no pressure at all. That no pressure actually started with Wilson who let Berbatov wander forward with no challenge at all. Huth then lost a key header and Tunny turned his back on a scuffed shot.
The scuffed shot wrongfooted both Abdy and Ryan, neither of who could be blamed for the goal in my opinion.
For the first, Huth lost a key header and Wilson stood and watched the pea head goalwards.
As you now know, I disagree with you on Abdy's role in the second goal but agree on Wheater. He is nowhere near as good as Ryan and there is little wrong with the way Ryan is playing. The back 4 just don't look like a unit somehow right now even that individually, they are all playing OK.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 24, 2010 22:02:47 GMT
Higgy is a great leader,organiser and Huth is a different player when in the middle. How this is not seen by the so called 'professionals is a bit of a joke really' We agree I'm gobsmacked my opinion counted for something
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 24, 2010 22:03:30 GMT
Give me a chance Jar! I was typing my considered response!
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Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2010 22:04:37 GMT
It was Shawcross on the first goal surely who let the first header to happen???
The 2nd goal Faye was to blame for the final ending like you say of a catalogue of mistakes beginning with Huth out of position...again.
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Post by PoisonedDonkey on Oct 24, 2010 22:04:39 GMT
while Collins seems to be improving, Faye is not ! put Huth where he belongs and use Higgy over there 100% Agree. Higgy was very good today.
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Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2010 22:05:10 GMT
Thought so.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 24, 2010 22:07:06 GMT
Vidic beat Huth to the header for the first goal and Fletcher beat him to the header for the second.
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Oct 24, 2010 22:07:30 GMT
It does my head in how he fecks around with the ball sometimes.
Argh!
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Post by ProudPotter17 on Oct 24, 2010 22:25:17 GMT
Our defence is letting us down.
We are playing well but are not picking up points because of soft goals.
Something has to give
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Oct 24, 2010 22:27:44 GMT
AGAIN, it NEEDS to be
Wilko Huth Shawcross Collins
Plain and fucking simple. If we carry on as we are, we could be in for a long, hard season. Abdoulaye was simply fantastic in his first season but unfortunately (probably due to age) he's just not performing as he should be. He's not been awful but, as a unit, we'd be much stronger with the above four. I don't know if it's because he's lost the armband but the leadership qualities that he has shown before seem to have disappeared completely.
I love to bloke but he just doesn't seem quite 'there' to me.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Oct 24, 2010 22:35:37 GMT
Abdy hasn't been the same as he was two seasons ago Shawcross for me had a cracking game today really came back to his best. Shawcross out shined Abdoulaye last season and he had that many injuries and sending offs last season that he never got a decent run of games together. Our best defensive performance this season came with a back 4 of: Wilko -- Huth -- Shawcross -- Collins (against Fulham)
It was also a game when Huth had a cracking games and won everything
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Post by Irish Stokie on Oct 24, 2010 22:52:43 GMT
I think people are being overly harsh on Abdy and both goals were very soft and had a few people to blame. The 1st, Huth could have done better at the back post and Wilson lost Hernandez. The 2nd Wilson lost Berbatov, Huth should have beat Scholes on the air and Tunny could have done better on Evra while Abdy should have been tighter to Hernandez.
I don't think it's fair to blame any one player for either goal and certainly didn't think Abdy had a shocker as some seem to think. RB is the position we need to fill in Jan and once we do we will be a much stronger defensive unit but until then TP will stick with today's defence IMO
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2010 22:52:49 GMT
Huth and Shawcross for now until whenever either one of them leaves for better things. It has to be as this defence is costing us at the moment.
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Post by audlemstokie on Oct 24, 2010 23:04:06 GMT
Having seen match of the day tonight, could not see there second goal from the boothen earlier. Faye was the wong side of his man and this is a basic error. So in my humble opinion we should have Shawcross and Huth the middle from now on. Also as other people have said how can you play a good hardworking player like walters in front of Tuncay if we are to turn into a mid table premier league team
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Post by anarchicalan on Oct 24, 2010 23:05:45 GMT
I thought Shawcross was immense today! He's been a bit of a worry recently, but his tackling and one to one marking was excellent today.
Faye was DEFINITELY at fault for their 2nd goal, totally the wrong side of Hernandez and almost cost us a goal with a terrible back pass in the first half.
He's not the player he was and Pulis has to stop picking favourites and pick his best team.
Just a mention for Danny Collins here, he was playing superbly till he got injured. Total accident, just a collision with Brown, looked like a clash of knees from where I sat, but at least Higgy came on and we lost nothing by that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2010 23:08:44 GMT
Higgi looked like a man possessed when he came on, definitely has a point to prove.
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Post by murphscfc on Oct 24, 2010 23:09:49 GMT
I don't think wilko should be considered, As much as I like the guy for his passion and services rendered, he is a liability. If would have been sent offa
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Post by jonesinamillion on Oct 24, 2010 23:11:40 GMT
Thought Abdy looked clumbsy and thugish today, 100% as ever but just not one his game - hope he snaps out of it, any fitness wories?
Horrid late challenge early on, lucky to stay out of the book (or worse!).
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