|
Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 24, 2010 21:25:33 GMT
Has his aura finally gone. He looked totally uninterested for the first goal and even worse for the second. I think it should be Huth and Ryan as the central pairing. Time to get his banner down off the JS stand and replace it with someone else like Ryan or Ethers.
|
|
|
Post by tuncaysanli20 on Oct 24, 2010 21:26:09 GMT
dont think he played that bad i think shawcross was more at fault for there second
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2010 21:27:04 GMT
not as bad as ryan
|
|
|
Post by jack150 on Oct 24, 2010 21:28:01 GMT
abdoulaye was wank get huth and shawcross together more organisation
|
|
|
Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 24, 2010 21:30:02 GMT
We looked so bloody narrow at the back I though we were all joined at the hip at times. That Hernandez had boat loads if space. But Abdy still looked like a lost sheep.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2010 21:31:23 GMT
Has become a liability.
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 24, 2010 21:31:37 GMT
Abdy wasn't at fault for either goal.
Why do we always have to have a scapegoat. As individuals, all of our back 4 are playing well, even Collins, but somehow they just don't look like an effective unit.
Huth lost 2 crucial headers for both goals today, yet somehow it should be him at centre half and not Abdy.
We have better players, we are playing some nice football at times and we look a decent side. In being adventurous, we will be a little more open at the back. That is how it goes.
Apart from a poor offering from our front 2, I thought we played some decent stuff today, especially 1st half. 2nd half was more comfortable for them than I would have liked but that was because somehow (I can't put my finger on what they did differently) they snuffed out the supply to our wide men.
Vidic won everything and today showed just how important Fuller is to us. It is a travesty that Walters has been used ahead of him for much of the season.
On to West Ham we move where hopefully Eidur can get 90 minutes under his belt.
|
|
|
Post by jack150 on Oct 24, 2010 21:31:39 GMT
hopefully he plays wilko ryan huth higgy at west ham and can see how good organised we were like at fulham
|
|
|
Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 24, 2010 21:33:34 GMT
hopefully he plays wilko ryan huth higgy at west ham and can see how good organised we were like at fulham Now that's a good back 4 unit mate.
|
|
|
Post by jack150 on Oct 24, 2010 21:35:47 GMT
Abdy wasn't at fault for either goal. Why do we always have to have a scapegoat. As individuals, all of our back 4 are playing well, even Collins, but somehow they just don't look like an effective unit. Huth lost 2 crucial headers for both goals today, yet somehow it should be him at centre half and not Abdy. We have better players, we are playing some nice football at times and we look a decent side. In being adventurous, we will be a little more open at the back. That is how it goes. Apart from a poor offering from our front 2, I thought we played some decent stuff today, especially 1st half. 2nd half was more comfortable for them than I would have liked but that was because somehow (I can't put my finger on what they did differently) they snuffed out the supply to our wide men. Vidic won everything and today showed just how important Fuller is to us. It is a travesty that Walters has been used ahead of him for much of the season. On to West Ham we move where hopefully Eidur can get 90 minutes under his belt. so u dont agree that huth and ryan look a lot more organised at centre halfs?
|
|
|
Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 24, 2010 21:37:33 GMT
Abdy wasn't at fault for either goal. Why do we always have to have a scapegoat. As individuals, all of our back 4 are playing well, even Collins, but somehow they just don't look like an effective unit. Huth lost 2 crucial headers for both goals today, yet somehow it should be him at centre half and not Abdy. We have better players, we are playing some nice football at times and we look a decent side. In being adventurous, we will be a little more open at the back. That is how it goes. Apart from a poor offering from our front 2, I thought we played some decent stuff today, especially 1st half. 2nd half was more comfortable for them than I would have liked but that was because somehow (I can't put my finger on what they did differently) they snuffed out the supply to our wide men. Vidic won everything and today showed just how important Fuller is to us. It is a travesty that Walters has been used ahead of him for much of the season. On to West Ham we move where hopefully Eidur can get 90 minutes under his belt. Not making him a scapegoat mate just an observation. In recent weeks Abdy has looked a bit out of sorts.
|
|
|
Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 24, 2010 21:39:35 GMT
Having Higgy there will help as he's always shouting across the line. Sometimes I think our mistakes are due to poor communication.
|
|
|
Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2010 21:40:30 GMT
davejonno.
2ng goal Abdy was not goal-side as Hernandez sidefooted home? Are you seriously saying he was blameless because in my basic book of defending the defender SURELY has to be goal-side,yes?
|
|
|
Post by jack150 on Oct 24, 2010 21:41:18 GMT
Having Higgy there will help as he's always shouting across the line. Sometimes I think our mistakes are due to poor communication. it is mate there more communication with higgy in there your spot on
|
|
|
Post by swampySCFC on Oct 24, 2010 21:41:34 GMT
He's lost some zest since helost the Captaincy
|
|
|
Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2010 21:41:55 GMT
Having Higgy there will help as he's always shouting across the line. Sometimes I think our mistakes are due to poor communication. Higgy is a great leader,organiser and Huth is a different player when in the middle. How this is not seen by the so called 'professionals is a bit of a joke really'
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 24, 2010 21:42:31 GMT
I disagree suitcase. In recent weeks, Abdy has looked like being back to his best. He was absolutely outstanding against both Blackburn and Bolton.
If anything, I thought he tried to do too much today and popped up all over the back line instead of holding the middle of the pitch.
Do I think we look more organised with Huth and Ryan at centre half? Not really no. I think we have 3 exceptionally good centre halves and any 2 from the 3 would be equally as strong.
I simply don't get how we can highlight Abdy as the weak link today when HUTH lost 2 crucial headers that led to both goals.
I have no real preference as to which pairing he goes with, but my choice would be Ryan and Abdy as the 1st choice. When one is injured/suspended/out of form, bring in Huth and let the displaced player WIN his place back.
It is a dilemma but picking out Abdy in this instance is unfair in my opinion. In recent weeks, Huth has been guilty of costing us goals, giving away stupid fouls and generally putting us under pressure. I actually think of the 3, Abdy is playing the best.
Jarhead - I don't see how a scuffed shot, which wrong footed both Ryan and Abdy can be blamed on either of them to be honest. Abdy was in the middle of the posts so what side constitutes goal side. He had the goal on both sides of him.
Sorry to be pedantic, but Higgy let Berbatov cross under no pressure at all, Huth lost a crucial header and Tunny turned his back on Evra's scuffed shot. A catalogue of errors none of which were committed by either Abdy or Ryan.
|
|
|
Post by stokelad84 on Oct 24, 2010 21:43:05 GMT
He's not as bad as people make out.
He's become the scapegoat at the back just so Huth and Shawcross can play together
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 24, 2010 21:43:16 GMT
Abdy has been way better than Ryan this season but he did have a poor game today
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2010 21:44:21 GMT
roll on january! ryan gone wheater in! wheater and huth in the middle! 2 proper centre halfs
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 24, 2010 21:47:21 GMT
The centre half pairing that saw Boro relegated Clyde?
|
|
|
Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2010 21:47:44 GMT
clyde you are winding me up right????
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2010 21:48:30 GMT
wait and see!!!
|
|
|
Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 24, 2010 21:49:10 GMT
I disagree suitcase. In recent weeks, Abdy has looked like being back to his best. He was absolutely outstanding against both Blackburn and Bolton. If anything, I thought he tried to do too much today and popped up all over the back line instead of holding the middle of the pitch. Do I think we look more organised with Huth and Ryan at centre half? Not really no. I think we have 3 exceptionally good centre halves and any 2 from the 3 would be equally as strong. I simply don't get how we can highlight Abdy as the weak link today when HUTH lost 2 crucial headers that led to both goals. I have no real preference as to which pairing he goes with, but my choice would be Ryan and Abdy as the 1st choice. When one is injured/suspended/out of form, bring in Huth and let the displaced player WIN his place back. It is a dilemma but picking out Abdy in this instance is unfair in my opinion. In recent weeks, Huth has been guilty of costing us goals, giving away stupid fouls and generally putting us under pressure. I actually think of the 3, Abdy is playing the best. Jarhead - I don't see how a scuffed shot, which wrong footed both Ryan and Abdy can be blamed on either of them to be honest. Abdy was in the middle of the posts so what side constitutes goal side. He had the goal on both sides of him. Sorry to be pedantic, but Higgy let Berbatov cross under no pressure at all, Huth lost a crucial header and Tunny turned his back on Evra's scuffed shot. A catalogue of errors none of which were committed by either Abdy or Ryan. Fair enough mate but that's the beauty of debate. It's all open to interpretation in the eyes of individual fans, of which we are two.
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 24, 2010 21:51:01 GMT
It is indeed suitcase and it is what this board has lost over the last few years in my opinion.
We have just exchanged views without a single derogatory comment made. There was a time that such a debate would be the norm on this forum!
|
|
|
Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2010 21:51:35 GMT
You might be right but if we get 15million for Ryan then yeh but after today and so far this season we wont get 50p for Ryan,being captain is to much for him to take on and one incident today why he 'probably' wont play for England was when he had acres to carry the ball out first half with no one near him he just smashed it out of play then held his head in his hands,he needs that composure back.
|
|
|
Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2010 21:52:19 GMT
davejonno do you agree with me???
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2010 21:53:34 GMT
You might be right but if we get 15million for Ryan then yeh but after today and so far this season we wont get 50p for Ryan,being captain is to much for him to take on and one incident today why he 'probably' wont play for England was when he had acres to carry the ball out first half with no one near him he just smashed it out of play then held his head in his hands,he needs that composure back. imho ryan is dreadful! all season he as been awful, and his composure on the ball s pathetic! he will be gone in jan for 12m, with wheater coming in for 4m, wheater and huth will then be our partnership, and if im totally honest with how were defending just lately t cant come quick enough
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 24, 2010 21:55:28 GMT
About what? Wheater or Abdy? Or Ryan's lack of composure?
Re Ryan's composure, or lack of it, we have people saying we are messing about too much and should whack it again and then we have people criticising Ryan for whacking it.
We can't win. Everyone wants us to evolve and play a bit, but when we do everyone panics and screams "man on" when someone goes within 15 yards of them!
|
|
|
Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2010 21:55:47 GMT
i know what your saying.
|
|