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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Oct 14, 2010 6:58:02 GMT
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Oct 14, 2010 7:12:29 GMT
I don't get it. It's a different sport, why would it offend?
EDIT It's because they did have "home to prem footy and rugby" before, and they've thrown their toys out because the football bit has gone, still sad b'stards.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Oct 14, 2010 7:19:20 GMT
What Wigan fans obviously dont realise is that quite frankly, they are never going to win anything and therefore never be as successful as what the rugby club has ever and will be.
Their footballing support is a joke anyhow, Ive seen Conference football have better and more passionate following.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 14, 2010 7:20:41 GMT
Having been to Wigan, if they have anything at all to celebrate I think they should shout it from the rooftops because sure as hell the rest of it is a dump.
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Oct 14, 2010 8:00:51 GMT
What Wigan fans obviously dont realise is that quite frankly, they are never going to win anything and therefore never be as successful as what the rugby club has ever and will be. Their footballing support is a joke anyhow, Ive seen Conference football have better and more passionate following. You sound just like a Man Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea supporter talking about a club like Stoke.
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Oct 14, 2010 8:14:28 GMT
This made me chuckle
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Post by jay1610 on Oct 14, 2010 8:17:10 GMT
It's not the fault of Wigan fans that other people in the town don't go the match. When did we become prem snobs?
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Post by ruts66 on Oct 14, 2010 8:42:03 GMT
Not even two and a bit seasons in this league and some are already giving it the billy big bollocks, everything we used to hate about the so-called elite.
Wigan FC, and especially their fans, should be respected, end of...
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Post by foster on Oct 14, 2010 8:49:48 GMT
Some Stoke fans really do think that we're the champions of the world by how far they are willing to disrespect other clubs. I don't see where this arrogance comes from. Even if we were in the Man Uniteds / Liverpools / Chelsea's category of clubs i'd like to think that we could show a little more class and respect to other teams. Especially to those of similar or smaller size and status. Personally, i think Wigan have done well to stay in the Premier League considering the size of the club and half empty stadium that they have each week.
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Post by RAF on Oct 14, 2010 8:52:56 GMT
What Wigan fans obviously dont realise is that quite frankly, they are never going to win anything and therefore never be as successful as what the rugby club has ever and will be. Their footballing support is a joke anyhow, Ive seen Conference football have better and more passionate following. You sound just like a Man Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea supporter talking about a club like Stoke. Spot on! H
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Post by RAF on Oct 14, 2010 8:53:22 GMT
Not even two and a bit seasons in this league and some are already giving it the billy big bollocks, everything we used to hate about the so-called elite. Wigan FC, and especially their fans, should be respected, end of... Spot On! H
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Post by RAF on Oct 14, 2010 8:53:41 GMT
Some Stoke fans really do think that we're the champions of the world by how far they are willing to disrespect other clubs. I don't see where this arrogance comes from. Even if we were in the Man Uniteds / Liverpools / Chelsea's category of clubs i'd like to think that we could show a little more class and respect to other teams. Especially to those of similar or smaller size and status. Personally, i think Wigan have done well to stay in the Premier League considering the size of the club and half empty stadium that they have each week. Spot On! H
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 14, 2010 9:42:02 GMT
Yes, we should respect Wigan fans and respect their club who punch above their weight and have done so for years.
Having said that, the fans of the football club are making themselves look a bit mean spirited complaining about the council doing a very small thing to celebrate the Rugby League club's success this year.
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Oct 14, 2010 9:43:59 GMT
Hang on, i thing you're all missing the point.
Its got nothing to do with us being 'bigger and better' than them.
It is to do with them spitting the dummy and acting like petulent 5 year olds because the council did something to honour a massive achievment by another club in the town.
It would be just as pathetic if it was Man City and Salford or Charlton and Harlequins RL.
The fact is that many other towns and cities with football and RL teams manage to cohabit quite well and usually celebrate the achievments of the other. Wigan Athletic seem to have a problem because they expected to overshadow the Warriors when they got iinto the Prem but even through a quite lean period for them, RL has remained the number 1 sport in the town. It now looks as if the Warriors have got a team to do very well for a few years to come and Athletic will be pushed even further back by this.
The situation over the signs just smacks of childish sibling jelousey.
You lot read far to much into stuff sometimes :x
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Post by Gods on Oct 14, 2010 9:57:49 GMT
Hang on, i thing you're all missing the point. Its got nothing to do with us being 'bigger and better' than them. It is to do with them spitting the dummy and acting like petulent 5 year olds because the council did something to honour a massive achievment by another club in the town. It would be just as pathetic if it was Man City and Salford or Charlton and Harlequins RL. The fact is that many other towns and cities with football and RL teams manage to cohabit quite well and usually celebrate the achievments of the other. Wigan Athletic seem to have a problem because they expected to overshadow the Warriors when they got iinto the Prem but even through a quite lean period for them, RL has remained the number 1 sport in the town. It now looks as if the Warriors have got a team to do very well for a few years to come and Athletic will be pushed even further back by this. The situation over the signs just smacks of childish sibling jelousey. You lot read far to much into stuff sometimes :x Think it was use of the words "pathetic little fans" and reference to their "huge band of supporters" which sent folks down this route. Unless of course you just meant a lot of Wigan fans are short and you were serious about Wigan having a huge band of supporters
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Oct 14, 2010 10:07:06 GMT
Think it was use of the words "pathetic little fans" and reference to their "huge band of supporters" which sent folks down this route. Unless of course you just meant a lot of Wigan fans are short and you were serious about Wigan having a huge band of supporters I see your point but that was more of a dig at them because they are the smaller of the two clubs in Wigan rather than 'we are big wonderful Stoke, bow down to us... raaaah'
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Post by foster on Oct 14, 2010 10:12:31 GMT
Everyone knows that it's just a matter of time before Wigan go down. They can't possible hope to remain in the premier League competing against clubs with 2 - 10 times their number of supporters. Even with those that get promoted such as Newcastle.
Their fans know this and so i don't blame them for being worried or concerned about their club. They probably feel that the local council is letting the club down by not promoting the football side of the town/city enough.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 10:21:58 GMT
I can see Wigan support dropping to below 10,000 this season. The Wigan faithful make their choices where sport is concerned and it IS very much a RUGBY town . There's no point debating the subject , as if it wasn't for Dave Whelans artificially inseminated cash coming in every season , then Wigan Athletic would be contesting Port Vale at the top of league 2(at best). I have little patience or interest in Wigan Athletic , as I would much rather see a committed and passionate 'football town' in the Premiership ...something like Blackpool or one of the Sheffield clubs perhaps...anything but Wigan....they are unique in this respect and therefore hold no respect or congratulations on my behalf.
At least Widnes don't 'pretend' to have a recognised football club....all their support is 'egg-shaped ...!
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Post by Chris1863 on Oct 14, 2010 10:24:38 GMT
+1
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Post by Gods on Oct 14, 2010 10:39:42 GMT
Everyone knows that it's just a matter of time before Wigan go down. They can't possible hope to remain in the premier League competing against clubs with 2 - 10 times their number of supporters. Even with those that get promoted such as Newcastle. Their fans know this and so i don't blame them for being worried or concerned about their club. They probably feel that the local council is letting the club down by not promoting the football side of the town/city enough. I'm not 100% sure gravity will catch up with smaller clubs like it used to, not ones that are established in the Premier League anyway. I doubt our gate receipts over the course of a season are more than about £4m more than Wigan's. The vast majority of Stoke and Wigan's money comes from the TV rights. So the question you could ask yourself is 'could Stoke survive on about £4m less money per season?' if our gates were to drop to about 13,000 like Wigan. The answer, I think, is of course we could. That is the sort of money we can throw away on a single bad signing in our lunch break !
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Post by foster on Oct 14, 2010 10:44:41 GMT
Well, with only 13k per match, the players would likely be less motivated and the support they get from the home crowd effect would be less obvious. I would expect that this would lead to poorer home results and a demoralised team.
Then again, it's all hyperthetical, but i know that as a player i would not want to play week in week out in a half full stadium.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Oct 14, 2010 10:50:15 GMT
What Wigan fans obviously dont realise is that quite frankly, they are never going to win anything and therefore never be as successful as what the rugby club has ever and will be. Their footballing support is a joke anyhow, Ive seen Conference football have better and more passionate following. You sound just like a Man Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea supporter talking about a club like Stoke. Sad but true! I'm getting more and more concerned about the way some of (mostly younger) fans are becoming bit as arrogant as those arseholes we used to hate when we were out of the limelight for so long.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 14, 2010 11:01:19 GMT
Well, with only 13k per match, the players would likely be less motivated and the support they get from the home crowd effect would be less obvious. I would expect that this would lead to poorer home results and a demoralised team. Then again, it's all hyperthetical, but i know that as a player i would not want to play week in week out in a half full stadium. Doesnt seem to have affected them for the last 5 years
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Post by stan on Oct 14, 2010 11:05:35 GMT
Considering the size of their home support, Wigan have brought some very decent followings to Stoke over the years (pre-PL days). I've got plenty of respect for them.
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Post by foster on Oct 14, 2010 11:05:53 GMT
Well, it seems to me that they've been conceeding an awfully large ammount of goals last season and so far this season, and i get the impression that their players don't want to hang around (Sharner, Z'Zogbia)
Anyway, i don't know the stats and i can't be bothered looking. I do think though that they are now regarded as a bottom end team rather than a top 12 team like they were a few years back.
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Post by Carlos Dickabout on Oct 14, 2010 11:21:49 GMT
i know the OP wasn't about their supporters numbers, but there are a few replies about it.
the thing is, wigan weren't a football league club until 1978. and considering their placement, they've got several other clubs within probably a 20 mile radius that most of the town were probably supporting as they grew up.
now i'm not saying they shouldn't be supporting their "local team", but we'd all rather see league football than non-league, so you can't blame the residents that do support other clubs.
wigan doesn't have the biggest population either. and as much as people say it's a rugby town...i'm pretty sure the numbers at the rugby games aren't much bigger.
the fans that they do have should be applauded
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Oct 14, 2010 13:09:02 GMT
i know the OP wasn't about their supporters numbers, but there are a few replies about it. the thing is, wigan weren't a football league club until 1978. and considering their placement, they've got several other clubs within probably a 20 mile radius that most of the town were probably supporting as they grew up. now i'm not saying they shouldn't be supporting their "local team", but we'd all rather see league football than non-league, so you can't blame the residents that do support other clubs. wigan doesn't have the biggest population either. and as much as people say it's a rugby town...i'm pretty sure the numbers at the rugby games aren't much bigger. the fans that they do have should be applauded Some Stats: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DW_Stadium#Wigan_Warriors- Wigan Athletic gates have averaged higher than the Warriors in recent years. Last year in the prem and this season's SL gates not included. I suspect with this season's return to form of the RL team, the gates may have edged up a bit.
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Post by icj on Oct 14, 2010 14:02:16 GMT
fair fucks to the people who go and follow wigan it isnt a footballing place. however i do wish they were relegated and teams like forest,leeds, and the 2 sheffield clubs were in the prem as they are proper away days with a decent clued up support. going to places like bolton wigan fulham is an advert for new age shite
and since when did stoke become all high and mighty ? you have been in the prem a couple of years and came up with the mentality of hating man united and being very angry (abit like small mans syndrome) you were nothing a few years ago with a shit support now these kids following stoke for the past 3 seasons are beggining to pipe up with all this bollocks, in the process making themselves and your club sound very small time
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Oct 14, 2010 14:09:51 GMT
Bolton? They have good historical pedigree, moreso then forest pre 70's.
Anyway, icj, you can't spout contrasting arguement in the same bloody paragraph! Leeds? clued up fans? They're almost as bad as the red mancs but only a little quieter at the moment. All clubs deserve to be where they are on merit be they Wigan or whoever. No matter what their support........ But I do agree with the sentiment that too many posters (younger generation?) are starting to play the billy big bollocks after only two seasons in the Prem.
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Post by stan on Oct 14, 2010 14:15:40 GMT
fair fucks to the people who go and follow wigan it isnt a footballing place. however i do wish they were relegated and teams like forest,leeds, and the 2 sheffield clubs were in the prem as they are proper away days with a decent clued up support. going to places like bolton wigan fulham is an advert for new age shite and since when did stoke become all high and mighty ? you have been in the prem a couple of years and came up with the mentality of hating man united and being very angry (abit like small mans syndrome) you were nothing a few years ago with a shit support now these kids following stoke for the past 3 seasons are beggining to pipe up with all this bollocks, in the process making themselves and your club sound very small time As has been pointed out on this thread, anybody belittling Wigan's support is out of order. But, whilst Stoke have always "hated" Man. United, no Stokie in his right mind spends half as much time concerning himself with Man. United as you do with Stoke. "Small time". Haha. Enjoy singing "It's just like watching Port Vale" if you score a week on Sunday. Have you still got your "Argentina over England" banner? If so, I can only laugh as I'll know you're under 20.
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