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Post by luke45 on Sept 27, 2010 0:37:52 GMT
From what I could see, Deano was playing on his un-favoured right-midfield position purely to help Wilko in trying to combat Ben Arfa by doubling up on him, not to try and offer anything going forward. And Walters started up-front, purely to run their opposition defence into the ground with his work-rate so we could introduce the pace and trickery of Ric in the 2nd half and let him try and open things up against a tiring defence. Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted with the result today and you can't argue with 4 games unbeaten  but it's unbelieveable the difference in approach we see in one half to another. I guess there's method in the madness though, but It's pretty evident that the first-half is all about damage limitation and keeping ourselves in the game, and the second-half is about committing men forward and trying to win the game. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 27, 2010 0:41:30 GMT
From what I could see, Deano was playing on his un-favoured right-midfield position purely to help Wilko in trying to combat Ben Arfa by doubling up on him, not to try and offer anything going forward. And Walters started up-front, purely to run their opposition defence into the ground with his work-rate so we could introduce the pace and trickery of Ric in the 2nd half and let him try and open things up against a tiring defence. Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted with the result today and you can't argue with 4 games unbeaten but it's unbelieveable the difference in approach we see in one half to another. I guess there's method in the madness though, but It's pretty evident that the first-half is all about damage limitation and keeping ourselves in the game, and the second-half is about committing men forward and trying to win the game. I think it is so much better than the don't play for the last twenty that Pulis used to do. Even though we aren't managing to keep a clean sheet first half at least we are being very positive second half. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2010 0:43:32 GMT
But we have gone behind in every league, that isn't good enough and shows that whatever he is trying to do in the first half isn't working.
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Post by luke45 on Sept 27, 2010 0:46:01 GMT
But we have gone behind in every league, that isn't good enough and shows that whatever he is trying to do in the first half isn't working. Well there's certainly a case for it. 7 goals scored this season, 1 in the first-half, 6 in the second. And am I right in thinking we've conceded 9 goals in the league this season, and 8 have come in the first-half with just 1 in the second? And I guess it does Colonel, yeah. It does make you wonder whether we could actually win games more convincingly if we adopted our second-half approach in both halves though. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2010 0:50:35 GMT
But we have gone behind in every league, that isn't good enough and shows that whatever he is trying to do in the first half isn't working. Well there's certainly a case for it. 7 goals scored this season, 1 in the first-half, 6 in the second. And am I right in thinking we've conceded 9 goals in the league this season, and 8 have come in the first-half with just 1 in the second? I think the case for not writing off the first half, starting with You best players and keeping clean sheets is stronger though!  As Jezza said, it's like starting with an arm and a leg tied up, it makes no sense. |
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Post by gussie on Sept 27, 2010 0:51:30 GMT
This may seem like a wacky idea, but I think we should start with our best team.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 27, 2010 0:52:41 GMT
But we have gone behind in every league, that isn't good enough and shows that whatever he is trying to do in the first half isn't working. Strangely I feel positive about this bayern. I still think the plan will work well more often than not. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2010 1:40:55 GMT
But we have gone behind in every league, that isn't good enough and shows that whatever he is trying to do in the first half isn't working. Strangely I feel positive about this bayern. I still think the plan will work well more often than not. I've never liked it because I'm a rayt nervous watcher of the game and it doesn't help me one bit. ;D I don't think we should get at teams from the off at away games but more of a middle ground is needed. We have the players that can harm teams yet we seem reluctant to do it in the first half. Seems a waste to me. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 27, 2010 2:00:50 GMT
Say what you want about how we played yesterday but in that first half, but for a single stupid error from Huth, Newcastle didn't have a single chance.
What did Soreson have to do? First half - pick the ball out of the net, second half - I think I can remember one stop where he spilled it but smothered it at the second attempt.
It wasn't pretty but it was effective.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2010 2:03:57 GMT
But that's what makes this tactic so fragile. Against Bolton away last season we were cruising but failure in that one to push on and get a second goal meant a mistake by Collins counted and we only got a point and not all three. If we had of continued with how we were playing prior to our goal and after theirs in that game we could have beat them 2/3 nil easily.
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Post by luke45 on Sept 27, 2010 8:19:38 GMT
Say what you want about how we played yesterday but in that first half, but for a single stupid error from Huth, Newcastle didn't have a single chance. What did Soreson have to do? First half - pick the ball out of the net, second half - I think I can remember one stop where he spilled it but smothered it at the second attempt. It wasn't pretty but it was effective. They didn't create many chances at all, I agree, which further enhances the belief that we should show more ambition in BOTH halves, as the opposition were average to say the least yesterday and could've been dead and buried by half-time. I'm not a PHW by any means, I'm as happy as a pig in shit with yesterdays result and our recent improved form, I just think we are good enough to be winning some of these games more convincingly by committing more men forward in both halves. |
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Sept 27, 2010 8:37:43 GMT
This may seem like a wacky idea, but I think we should start with our best team. What a marvellous idea , wonder why T.P hasn't thought of that? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2010 15:50:41 GMT
Say what you want about how we played yesterday but in that first half, but for a single stupid error from Huth, Newcastle didn't have a single chance. What did Soreson have to do? First half - pick the ball out of the net, second half - I think I can remember one stop where he spilled it but smothered it at the second attempt. It wasn't pretty but it was effective. They didn't create many chances at all, I agree, which further enhances the belief that we should show more ambition in BOTH halves, as the opposition were average to say the least yesterday and could've been dead and buried by half-time. I'm not a PHW by any means, I'm as happy as a pig in shit with yesterdays result and our recent improved form, I just think we are good enough to be winning some of these games more convincingly by committing more men forward in both halves. Spot on Luke. It's not about hating Pulis or any of that shit. We have the players to expect something a little better in both halves without us crumbling to pieces. And this plan to keep it tight in the first half isn't working because we've conceded in every league game doing it. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 27, 2010 15:56:41 GMT
Think this is a very dangerous approach which will cost us if we don't change it! Why should we start every game with going a goal down?
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but it's unbelieveable the difference in approach we see in one half to another.
