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Post by waitingforwaddo on Aug 3, 2010 14:34:55 GMT
Someone said JG is working as a warehouseman somewhere.
He must be 65 by now I'd imagine but still clearly needs to work.
Given the ridiculous salaries being bandied about for incoming players, shouldn't the club do something to help those heroes who inspired us to love our club if they've fallen on hard times?
After all, the club is built on our support and our support is built on being captivated by the heroes of our youth, whether it's JG, Jackie Marsh (who, I believe, has not been well), Huddy, Mickey Thomas or Steino.
How about it Stoke?
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Post by RAF on Aug 3, 2010 14:39:11 GMT
It didn't help Jimmy when his partner in their insurance company completely ripped him off and left him with massive debts. Very sad indeed for my favourite player of all time. He used to live in a big white house on the Mere in Alsager, I wonder where he is living now?
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Aug 3, 2010 14:40:48 GMT
Yes after Jims insurance brokerage went west (allegedly his partner was dodgy) he was driving a forklift at a warehouse Alsager/Crewe way but thats a few years back. I think its really sad that a former legend and charismatic guy isnt used in some capacity by the club as TC is. Go get him Tone.
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Post by RAF on Aug 3, 2010 14:43:21 GMT
I forgot to put allegedly, but from what I heard his partner was taking the money off clients and then never getting the insurance cover underwritten hoping that no big claims were made, unfortunately some big haulage firm that had a few big write offs or Thefts and the partner did a runner leaving Jimmy to mop up the mess.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Aug 3, 2010 14:43:22 GMT
Someone said Dobbyhorse is not well. Couldn't the club set up a fund for these guys?
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Aug 3, 2010 14:44:10 GMT
I believe Jim's still driving a forklift at Radway Green? Might be wrong though
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 3, 2010 14:44:12 GMT
Some great players you've mentioned there. And there are no doubt plenty of others.
But as far as I know, they've never asked for anything and are getting on with sorting their own lives out like the rest of us.
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Post by liathroid on Aug 3, 2010 14:46:27 GMT
Someone said JG is working as a warehouseman somewhere. He must be 65 by now I'd imagine but still clearly needs to work. Given the ridiculous salaries being bandied about for incoming players, shouldn't the club do something to help those heroes who inspired us to love our club if they've fallen on hard times? After all, the club is built on our support and our support is built on being captivated by the heroes of our youth, whether it's JG, Jackie Marsh (who, I believe, has not been well), Huddy, Mickey Thomas or Steino. How about it Stoke? Different era mate teams in the 70s played for the club not themselves.The club wont do anything ,the new players of this era should all throw a grand in the pot every month to help former players of the club .but in 30 years time if these players fall on hard times their will be money in the pot for them ???
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Post by 8ace on Aug 3, 2010 14:51:33 GMT
It's sad to hear but players were also paid well above the norm in them days , don't kid yourselves and many invested badly etc which isn't Stoke City's fault. Players like Jimmy Greenhoff made bad decisions after making a very good living from the game as did Marsh in particular who gets plenty of handouts on a match day etc from the club, don't kid yourself.
You seriously believe Micky Thomas deserves handouts? You are more deluded than I thought.
Hudson is another one who pissed his money up against the wall and allegedly lost his house in a card game in America.
Great players ,yes........paid well at the time, yes
It's sad but the club are not responsible. So many ex players are given free hospitality at games etc which is nice to see but Stoke don't owe them a living
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Post by vinceoverson on Aug 3, 2010 14:51:46 GMT
He works at man u on a match day and still lives in Alsager.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 3, 2010 14:54:37 GMT
He works at man you on a match day and still lives in Alsager. That is in itself a crying shame
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Aug 3, 2010 14:54:37 GMT
Stupid post, 8. I said NOTHING about supporting Thomas in particular, just that he was a hero to the fans.
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Post by 8ace on Aug 3, 2010 14:59:56 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 3, 2010 15:00:20 GMT
'He works at man you on a match day and still lives in Alsager.'
That says it all. Why we couldn't use him in this capacity is beyond me. However, we can't go picking up the pieces for every player who lost money in a business deal or pissed it away. Having known and played with Jackie Marsh for a while in Uttoxeter back in the early 80's I can vouch for him being a lovely bloke, but when it came to money, work and business, he had very little clue. Sadly there must be many more just like Marsh and Greenhoff for whom the Glory Days are a distant memory. I'll never forget them though.
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Post by 8ace on Aug 3, 2010 15:02:09 GMT
'Having known and played with Jackie Marsh for a while in Uttoxeter back in the early 80's I can vouch for him being a lovely bloke, but when it came to money, work and business, he had very little clue'
Couldn't have put it better myself. Some who actually KNOWS what he's talking about
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Aug 3, 2010 15:05:14 GMT
You're a mean-spirited, vindictive little man aren't you 8? Not a good word to say about anyone. I imagine it's frustration at a life of failure. You carry on spewing your vitriol. I'll leave it there with you I think. You're not worth it.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Aug 3, 2010 15:15:22 GMT
The fact is, Jimmy, these blokes had come out of footy with a LITTLE bit of money and tried to do summat with it by investing in a business (and clearly I'm NOT talking about Huddy or MT here). Problem was, though, they didn't have the business acumen with the obvious consequences. IMHO if the club is prepared to offer wages of £40k a week to players, a few grand to help those players who helped build the club into what it is today would not go amiss.
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Post by 8ace on Aug 3, 2010 15:17:00 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 3, 2010 15:26:03 GMT
Waddo, I'm not arguing with you mate, I have my own view and respect your intent. We all make mistakes in life and business. Five years ago I lost about £80 grand all told trying to keep a business afloat and in the end sold what I had in order to start again, and I thought I had a bit of business acumen!!! I have only really started seeing the light at the end of the tunnel in the last 12 months but don't expect anyone to help me but myself.
I feel sorry for anyone that falls on hard times, but having been through a dark period myself, I can assure you that charity begins at home.
To 8ace, all I would say is let's try not to fall out with fellow Stokies and agree to disagree. There's transfer speculation to ponder.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 3, 2010 15:59:57 GMT
I can remember the days before the maximum wage was lifted and until that time, the Stoke players got about the same as my dad near enough. That would be a little above average wages but not much more. Once the wage cap came off Johnny Haynes became the first English £100 a week footballer and left my dad way behind in the wage stakes. Before long all players in the top flight were on two or three times the average man's wage or more. That would be about £75k per year in todays's money. So they were not badly paid. Since then, of course, footballers wages have outstripped wage inflation every year until we have reached the point where the average top division player probably gets about £1 million per year before tax. Madness.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Aug 3, 2010 16:00:50 GMT
Sorry to hear that Jim and take your point mate. I suppose for me it's a case of looking at the obscene amounts of money being splashed around in the Prem these days and thinking that maybe a tiny fraction of that could be used to help those who weren't so lucky and have now fallen ill or on hard times.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Aug 3, 2010 16:01:53 GMT
Anyone know how Dobbyhorse is?
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Post by gibby1409 on Aug 3, 2010 16:10:00 GMT
Waddo, Don't the PFA have a fallback fund for ex Players? If not, then it's something that could be funded very easily by todays multi-millionaires, and they wouldn't miss a penny?
5k per Month x 100 Top Earners = £500,000 per month = £6 million per year! This would make a great difference over a period of time.
This should go to the ex Players like Jim, who have fallen on hardtimes due to circumstances out of ther control, not to the pissheads who had it and wasted it. Each case should be judged on it's merits by the PFA.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Aug 3, 2010 16:51:29 GMT
Spot on mate. Deserving causes.
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Post by AlliG on Aug 3, 2010 18:06:03 GMT
No he didn't.
I knew both Jimmy and his partner at the time.
They should not have gone into business in the first place. The only thing either of them could manage was a round of golf. (That is why the business was based a 3 wood from Alsager Golf Club)
At some stage they had cash flow problems which was when his partner began to use customers money to pay bills etc. At that stage someone with a bit of business nouse would have thrown in the towel.
The whole pack of cards came crashing down when his partner had a heart attack (age 41 or 42).
His partner was found guilty of misuse/mis-appropriation of about £90,000 of customers money and was sent down for 3 years.
To put it into context, the guy who ran the Barlow Clowes fraud was convicted at about the same time. He misappropriated about £15,000,000 of customers money to live the high life in Spain and was sent down for 18 months.
There are 2 lessons to be learned.
1. Don't go into business with your mate from the golf club. 2. If you turn to crime. Think big!
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Post by RAF on Aug 3, 2010 22:06:22 GMT
No he didn't. I knew both Jimmy and his partner at the time. They should not have gone into business in the first place. The only thing either of them could manage was a round of golf. (That is why the business was based a 3 wood from Alsager Golf Club) At some stage they had cash flow problems which was when his partner began to use customers money to pay bills etc. At that stage someone with a bit of business nouse would have thrown in the towel. The whole pack of cards came crashing down when his partner had a heart attack (age 41 or 42). His partner was found guilty of misuse/mis-appropriation of about £90,000 of customers money and was sent down for 3 years. To put it into context, the guy who ran the Barlow Clowes fraud was convicted at about the same time. He misappropriated about £15,000,000 of customers money to live the high life in Spain and was sent down for 18 months. There are 2 lessons to be learned. 1. Don't go into business with your mate from the golf club. 2. If you turn to crime. Think big! Fair enough. Ironically I heard the story I told at Alsager Golf Club. You lives and learns. H
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Post by burberrybassist on Aug 3, 2010 22:17:58 GMT
I think it'd be nice if the club could possibly offer him a job that's a bit cushier then working a forklift. He is the tour guide at United and does a few spots on MUTV, obviously we don't do regular tours or have a TV station, but it'd be nice for him to still be involved with the club in some way.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 3, 2010 22:37:41 GMT
they already have other stoke players doing the matchday thing
also doesnt the club have the stoke old boys charity for this sort of thing
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Post by nonington on Aug 3, 2010 22:53:35 GMT
You're a mean-spirited, vindictive little man aren't you 8? Not a good word to say about anyone. I imagine it's frustration at a life of failure. You carry on spewing your vitriol. Do you understand Irony???
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Post by scfcrob on Aug 3, 2010 23:13:04 GMT
they already have other stoke players doing the matchday thing also doesnt the club have the stoke old boys charity for this sort of thing SCOBA - Stoke City Old Boys Association was set up to help ex Stoke players in their hour of need. They have an event at the Brit very soon as a fund raiser and these events are very well supported by Stokies.
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