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Post by tazi on Mar 17, 2008 11:20:40 GMT
Yes i would because not only do i believe that they would have earned/deserved their chance to play in the top-flight but i also believe that survival is not the sole priority.
Our main priority for now is getting there in order to have a huge slice of cash that's on offer.
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Post by mumf14 on Mar 17, 2008 11:24:59 GMT
No...Only the fittest survive in nature.
Parkin would not make it to the start line.
I'd would suggest that we have 5 or 6 who could cut it in the Premiership.
5 or 6 still needed.
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Post by troj on Mar 17, 2008 11:26:22 GMT
No tazi - they're only players - they're all expendable for the greater good of OUR club.
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Mar 17, 2008 11:39:49 GMT
We would need a massive shake up. Lets see if we get there first, and then talk about who may go and who we need in.
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Post by coll45 on Mar 17, 2008 11:40:48 GMT
no i always laught when people say things like when they go up they will come back down straight away because nobody knows who will be playing next season you can onley really make comments like that when players have come and gone and you can see what players teams have brought in nobody knows yet .
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Post by Admin on Mar 17, 2008 12:22:27 GMT
It's a nice thought Tazi, but in reality I don't think it would work mate. We lack a bit of quality in this division so I think it would be 10 times more pronounced in the Premiership.
Having said that, I wouldn't want us to go out buying arsehole players who'd suddenly start appearing and talking about their "dream move" to The Potteries!
We'd probably go down anyway, so why not reserve most of the cash and then use it, along with the parachute payments, to build a bigger and better club.
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Post by tazi on Mar 17, 2008 12:32:42 GMT
At this moment in time i believe that it's what the players need to hear.
Tell them they keep their places and i believe performances will pick up a hell of a lot.
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Post by winger on Mar 17, 2008 12:35:51 GMT
'We'd probably go down anyway, so why not reserve most of the cash and then use it, along with the parachute payments, to build a bigger and better club.'
Sheff Utd
Charlontina
West Brazil
Norwich Madrid
Ipshit
Crsystal Palarse...
All serve as the warning against that way of thinking tho Smudge, surely.
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Post by troj on Mar 17, 2008 12:37:02 GMT
I agree tazi - I'd tell them they're all great lads and will have a crack at the Prem next (with fingers crossed behind my back)
... and then once we get promoted I'd sell em all (;-)) and bring in some decent players.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2008 12:39:27 GMT
No, we'd get murdered. Cort, Griffin, Cresswell, Pugh, Mama and probably Delap would be the first for the chop. Plus I don't think Fuller will be half as good in the Premiership as some people think. I'm not looking at it from a negative angle just an honest one.
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Post by mcf on Mar 17, 2008 12:42:28 GMT
Wingnut
They don't have SuperTone though do they!?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2008 12:43:21 GMT
Wingnut They don't have SuperTone though do they!? That's if the daft cunt gets there in the first place!  |
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Post by winger on Mar 17, 2008 12:45:32 GMT
Am looking forward to his MotD interviews like nobody's biz.
Wk 1. Hard work, triffic, bit of quality up front.
Wk 2. Hard work, triffic, bit of quality up front.
Wk 3. Hard work, triffic, bit of quality up front.
Wk 4. Hard work, triffic, bit of quality up front.
Wk 5. Hard work, triffic, bit of quality up front...
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Post by ted1965 on Mar 17, 2008 12:45:36 GMT
I am all for loyalty but some of the players have been at that level before and been found wanting, Andy Griffin is the perfect example, a good Championship player but has been found wanting and horribly exposed at the highest level.
The reality of football, some players have what you need to get to the next level without ever being good enough to help you stay there. Players are very much like racehorses, some have potential and you can only find out whether they are good enough by giving them their heads in the highest levels, then there are those who while being solid and dependable at a certain level are simply never going to make that step up.
I am not picking out Griffin specifically just using him as a perfect example of players who are very good at a level just below the top grade but lack that something to take the next step.
So while it’s laudable to want to say everyone has the same opportunity some players you just know wont be able to hack it at that level, that’s where a managers judgement is needed that’s why they get paid good money to understand who has the potential to play at a higher level and who are the players you need to get those players and the club to that level.
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Post by mumf14 on Mar 17, 2008 12:46:43 GMT
But not as daft as those cunts who never thought he would get us to where we are now...... eh Bayern.>>?
A bloody classic.
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Post by knowles on Mar 17, 2008 12:50:34 GMT
Well bayern, you've made me devise my own list:
Nash/rejuvenated Simmo- OK
Griffin- We have seen he can be murdered in the Prem. I'm not sure
Cort- OK reserve
Shawcross- Can be moulded into a future England centre half
Riggott- Wouldn't mind him staying, has good experience
Dicko- His fight would mean he is up to the task when called upon
Wilko- See above
Pugh- Back up only
Lawrence- one of the better players for Sunderland when they were up. No problem with him
Whelan- Up to the task
Delap- Might have enough in the tank for one more year up there. Again, good experience
Diao- Believe it or not, after a good pre-season he could well be OK for us
Cresswell- Just imagine Cresswell on the wing in the Prem!! ;D
Fuller- Goals will not come easy for him. If he goes on a barren run (like he is doing now) he will sulk and be crap- probably like when he was at Pompey
Sidibe- A decent option for away games
Parkin/Pericard/Buxton/Broomes/Ant/Matteo/Hoult- Goodbye!
This all means there is alot of work to be done. I would keep all the remaining player apart from the 7 I have mentioned. They are the players who have got us here, they deserve a taste of the promised land, perhaps not as a main part fo the first eleven though
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2008 12:50:54 GMT
But not as daft as those cunts who never thought he would get us to where we are now...... eh Bayern.>>? A bloody classic. Mumf-I hold my hands up and he has done a good job, doesn't bother I'm in a win-win situation. He's done well but I still don't think he's as great as people make out to be. He needs to be a bit less cautious and try and play it differently when Mama isn't on the pitch. He's done well but do I trust him? Just! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2008 12:52:56 GMT
Well bayern, you've made me devise my own list: Nash/rejuvenated Simmo- OK Griffin- We have seen he can be murdered in the Prem. I'm not sure Cort- OK reserve Shawcross- Can be moulded into a future England centre half Riggott- Wouldn't mind him staying, has good experience Dicko- His fight would mean he is up to the task when called upon Wilko- See above Pugh- Back up only Lawrence- one of the better players for Sunderland when they were up. No problem with him Whelan- Up to the task Delap- Might have enough in the tank for one more year up there. Again, good experience Diao- Believe it or not, after a good pre-season he could well be OK for us Cresswell- Just imagine Cresswell on the wing in the Prem!! ;D Fuller- Goals will not come easy for him. If he goes on a barren run (like he is doing now) he will sulk and be crap- probably like when he was at Pompey Sidibe- A decent option for away games Parkin/Pericard/Buxton/Broomes/Ant/Matteo/Hoult- Goodbye! This all means there is alot of work to be done. I would keep all the remaining player apart from the 7 I have mentioned. They are the players who have got us here, they deserve a taste of the promised land, perhaps not as a main part fo the first eleven though That list is about right-I just wouldn't like to see Cort in the Premiership as I don't think he's that greater defender in Championship. Pugh has to go for me-what has he done since joining? I've not been impressed with him at all. |
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Post by Godo on Mar 17, 2008 12:54:57 GMT
Didn't Pulis say that he had already made plans for next season and made a cryptic remark about which country he would be looking at for new players? (somewhere where they are big and black I assume?)
My long term worry is our inability to play any sort of a passing game because for once the received wisdom - don't give the ball away cheaply in the premiership - is actually true. Even when we win games we must only retain 35-40% of possession . In the premiershit, particularly with our tendency to drop off inside our own half, we'd be looking at about 15%!!!!
But why worry about next season just yet? I'm still concerned enough about this season because I still think we'll need 84 pts for automatic so we'll need to look to win games not draw them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2008 13:08:32 GMT
We need to be ruthless to survive but at the same time we don't won't egomaniacs or players after one last payday.
I was thinking the other day about the type of player we would go for IF we go up, I just hope it's not your Nigl Quashie already been relegated 6 times sort of player.
Realistic targets would be:
Fulop (Sunderland)
Bell (Luton)
Campbell (Man Utd/Hull)
Parry (Cardiff)
Simek (Sheff Wed)
Howard (Barnsley)
Djourou (Arsenal)
Osbourne (Aston Villa)
Gardner (Spurs)
Roberts (Blackburn)
Riggott (Middlesborough)
Boateng (Spurs)
That type of player (relatively young and athletic) coupled with a bit of experience and I think that could be the recipe for staying up.
To many managers fill their teams with journeymen that have been relegated far too many times already.....
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 17, 2008 13:13:07 GMT
I like most of our current players, some quite a lot, but I think this is how they will be in the Prem: Nash/rejuvenated Simmo- It's easy to look good when you're ahving to make 100 saves a game Griffin- Rubbish Cort- Rubbish Shawcross- Could learn to not be rubbish Riggott- Average Dicko- Rubbish Wilko- Rubbish Pugh- Rubbish Lawrence- Average Whelan- Rubbish Delap- Rubbish Diao- Rubbish Cresswell- Rubbish Fuller- Average Sidibe- Rubbish Parkin/Pericard/Buxton/Broomes/Ant/Matteo/Hoult- OH MY GOD. But if they get us up and are indeed rubbish, I won't turn on my heroes. I know a lot of people will though.  |
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Post by troj on Mar 17, 2008 13:13:39 GMT
Er guys and girls I'm not normally superstitious but talking about next year when we're still seven games away from doing anything makes my bottom squeak.
I propose a ban of everything presumptious.
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 17, 2008 13:14:58 GMT
Point well made Prestwich potter, we have to avoid signing journeymen who are after 1 final pay day/last hurrah in the prem, they will suck money out of the club, be sh1t and bu99er off when we go down.
If we get younger players, the experience will do them good, hopefully most will be eager to make a name for themselves and if we do go down they will be a commodity on market if we need to sell.
IMO - I'd make an exception for kevin phillips, who will probably be leaving Brazil on a free this summer - well worth a punt
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Post by dexter97 on Mar 17, 2008 13:20:35 GMT
I'm still concerned enough about this season because I still think we'll need 84 pts for automatic so we'll need to look to win games not draw them. The maximum anyone can get this season is 89 points (West Brazil, if they win nine out of nine). Watford, Brizzle & ourselves can achieve a maximum possible 88. On current form, I can't see anyone dropping only four or five points, and I think anything above 81 will win the title. |
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Mar 17, 2008 13:42:05 GMT
I, too, was thinking about this just yesterday. The players that I'd be looking to sign would depend on who gets relegated really.
Maybe a Bullard or Danny Murphy from Fulham if they come down?
It'll be interesting IF we make it and definitely something to look forward to for the summer with the amount of rumours that fly about.
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