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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2010 15:28:28 GMT
Why exactly? Bent has scored goals wherever he's been and has the better scoring record out of the two. What is a joke is Bent's lack of international opportunities over the last few years despite being a consistent goalscorer. thats because it is clear he isnt an international quality player. Yes he can score goals at club level, and as a result deserves his chance. why hasnt he had that? because he offers nothing else then the goals, which we both know would be alot harder to come by at international level What does Defoe offer other than goals?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 29, 2010 15:28:43 GMT
If Bent goes in place of Defoe that would be a joke Why exactly? Bent has scored goals wherever he's been and has the better scoring record out of the two. What is a joke is Bent's lack of international opportunities over the last few years despite being a consistent goalscorer. Agree with that, Rob. Bent's got a significantly better record at Prem level over a number of years. And this season has scored against every one of the big boys and closed the season in spectacular scoring form. He hasn't had a sniff at international level, which is not his fault, and a poor game against Brazil is being held up as proof of his limitations at that level. Defoe's a good player, but he's not in form and has only really beat up on the international minnows, apart from 2 against Holland a while back. They both offer very little indeed outside the box.
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Post by magicmanfuller on May 29, 2010 15:28:45 GMT
Milner wouldn be the only one for me. Lennon and Theo are at a similar level Lennon is twice the player. Has far more influence on games, has improved his final ball this season and is a constant menace - more intelligent footballer than Walcott. That may be the case - i am stuggling to see where your 4-5 options are coming from. I also cant understand why you cant see that if you were right why would capello keep picking walcott (see qualifiers)
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Post by magicmanfuller on May 29, 2010 15:29:34 GMT
thats because it is clear he isnt an international quality player. Yes he can score goals at club level, and as a result deserves his chance. why hasnt he had that? because he offers nothing else then the goals, which we both know would be alot harder to come by at international level What does Defoe offer other than goals? Has a better all round game more suited to international football
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2010 15:31:34 GMT
Lennon is twice the player. Has far more influence on games, has improved his final ball this season and is a constant menace - more intelligent footballer than Walcott. That may be the case - i am stuggling to see where your 4-5 options are coming from. I also cant understand why you cant see that if you were right why would capello keep picking walcott (see qualifiers) Lennon A Johnson SWP (and I'm no fan of his) Milner even Gerrard with Milner or Cole or Johnson on the left All better than Theo imo.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2010 15:32:15 GMT
Why exactly? Bent has scored goals wherever he's been and has the better scoring record out of the two. What is a joke is Bent's lack of international opportunities over the last few years despite being a consistent goalscorer. thats because it is clear he isnt an international quality player. Yes he can score goals at club level, and as a result deserves his chance. why hasnt he had that? because he offers nothing else then the goals, which we both know would be alot harder to come by at international level You don't post as march4 as well do You? What a load of crap. Lennon got 10 assists in 22 games this season. Yeah he just scores goals.
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Post by magicmanfuller on May 29, 2010 15:33:16 GMT
thats because it is clear he isnt an international quality player. Yes he can score goals at club level, and as a result deserves his chance. why hasnt he had that? because he offers nothing else then the goals, which we both know would be alot harder to come by at international level You don't post as march4 as well do You? What a load of crap. Lennon got 10 assists in 22 games this season. Yeah he just scores goals. On about bent
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Post by magicmanfuller on May 29, 2010 15:35:14 GMT
That may be the case - i am stuggling to see where your 4-5 options are coming from. I also cant understand why you cant see that if you were right why would capello keep picking walcott (see qualifiers) Lennon A Johnson SWP (and I'm no fan of his) Milner even Gerrard with Milner or Cole or Johnson on the left All better than Theo imo. Little shaun do me a favour Lennon is open for debate - he has had a better season but at the end of the day what has he done at international level that theo did in the qualifiers? Johnson - going to be mint but maybe not quite ready Gerrard - proven cant do it on the right
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2010 15:38:11 GMT
Assists in the league this season by a selection of Englishmen
Joe Cole got 6 Milner got 12 Lennon-10 Ashley Young-10 Ethers-9 Johnson-9 SWP-8 Shawcross-3 Walcott-2
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2010 15:39:01 GMT
You don't post as march4 as well do You? What a load of crap. Lennon got 10 assists in 22 games this season. Yeah he just scores goals. On about bent It's even dafter then. Oh no, a striker that just scores goals. I'd love to have one of them at Stoke. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2010 15:39:04 GMT
Lennon A Johnson SWP (and I'm no fan of his) Milner even Gerrard with Milner or Cole or Johnson on the left All better than Theo imo. Little shaun do me a favour Lennon is open for debate - he has had a better season but at the end of the day what has he done at international level that theo did in the qualifiers? Johnson - going to be mint but maybe not quite ready Gerrard - proven cant do it on the right What did Theo do in the qualifiers beyond that Croatia game? Lennon had a decent world cup last time and looked good in qualifying when we played. He was man of the match in the home Croatia game when he frightened them to death. What does Defoe do in his "all round game" than Bent doesn't? That's a very vague statement to make.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2010 15:44:39 GMT
I think the stats show that Shawcross needs to be played on the wing. ;D
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Post by magicmanfuller on May 29, 2010 16:32:29 GMT
Little shaun do me a favour Lennon is open for debate - he has had a better season but at the end of the day what has he done at international level that theo did in the qualifiers? Johnson - going to be mint but maybe not quite ready Gerrard - proven cant do it on the right What did Theo do in the qualifiers beyond that Croatia game? Lennon had a decent world cup last time and looked good in qualifying when we played. He was man of the match in the home Croatia game when he frightened them to death. What does Defoe do in his "all round game" than Bent doesn't? That's a very vague statement to make. It is a vague statement but its sometihng that is based on opinion because no stats can show how good a player is at bringing others into the game and holding the ball up. These are things i personally think defoe has become alot better than bent at. He is also a better goalscorer when on top of his game. Walcott has been injured most of the season, and when he has palyed in has taken him about 10 games to get up to speed. I think in the last 5 games he was arguably arsenal's best player and i think his stats would be alot better had he been at this level all season. The fact of the matter is joe cole is living on past glory - he hasnt done it now at club/international level for two years. Hes not good enough to play for chelsea anymore and to me he looks a player in decline - the opposite of the walcott, johnson and lennon. Also - pace is a vital factor at international level and I'm afraid walcott is by the far the fastest player england have. I think its safe to say his pace combined with the fact he was picked in the majority of the qualifiers makes him pretty much a shoe-in for the final squad whether you like it or not.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2010 16:41:07 GMT
What did Theo do in the qualifiers beyond that Croatia game? Lennon had a decent world cup last time and looked good in qualifying when we played. He was man of the match in the home Croatia game when he frightened them to death. What does Defoe do in his "all round game" than Bent doesn't? That's a very vague statement to make. It is a vague statement but its sometihng that is based on opinion because no stats can show how good a player is at bringing others into the game and holding the ball up. These are things i personally think defoe has become alot better than bent at. He is also a better goalscorer when on top of his game. Walcott has been injured most of the season, and when he has palyed in has taken him about 10 games to get up to speed. I think in the last 5 games he was arguably arsenal's best player and i think his stats would be alot better had he been at this level all season. The fact of the matter is joe cole is living on past glory - he hasnt done it now at club/international level for two years. Hes not good enough to play for chelsea anymore and to me he looks a player in decline - the opposite of the walcott, johnson and lennon. Also - pace is a vital factor at international level and I'm afraid walcott is by the far the fastest player england have. I think its safe to say his pace combined with the fact he was picked in the majority of the qualifiers makes him pretty much a shoe-in for the final squad whether you like it or not. Walcott will go, definitely. I don't think he should though. He's fast, but that's it. Lennon and Johnson are fast but can also play a bit, create more and cause more problems than headless chicken Walcott who has no idea what to do with it once he gets past his man. Bent's record overall in terms of goals is better than Defoe's so there's simply no basis for arguing that Defoe is a better goalscorer. I can't say I've noticed Defoe's hold-up abilities either, although he did play well when he came on in the week I thought.
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