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Post by PickSCFC on May 20, 2010 12:46:33 GMT
Thats my point - Fuller ISN'T our best player. Our defenders contribute more than he does - by keeping clean sheets and coming up with a few goals. Fuller looks great when he's got the ball but people are blinded by that. When he hasn't got the ball he's bone idle. I lost count of the number of times he got caught offside by thrwing a hissy fit when his dive didn't get him a free kick. You obviously watch the games through Fuller tinted specs. I don't. How do you win games? By scoring! Fuller scores the goals which potentially allows us to win games, the defence just keep us in whith a chance of winning. Fuller is by far the most influential and possibly our best player. If he was bone idle he wouldn't be chasing down 60 yard balls now would he? fuller dont score that many though mate, our success has been built from a strong back line
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Post by CillaBlacksPissFlaps on May 20, 2010 12:48:17 GMT
But Fuller is still our best player by some distance, he needs a prolific partner, I'll give you that, but I wouldn't get rid of him at any cost Thats my point - Fuller ISN'T our best player. Our defenders contribute more than he does - by keeping clean sheets and coming up with a few goals. Fuller looks great when he's got the ball but people are blinded by that. When he hasn't got the ball he's bone idle. I lost count of the number of times he got caught offside by thrwing a hissy fit when his dive didn't get him a free kick. You obviously watch the games through Fuller tinted specs. I don't. Yeah sometimes he stays down a tad too long but my god he has said on numerous occasions that he just conserves his energy levels for later on in games as if he bombs around for 65 mins solid he is useless for the last 25, ric wouldn't be ric if he didn't do this, he is a laid back lad but my god when he wants to play he can play.
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Post by mumf14 on May 20, 2010 12:50:00 GMT
No.
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Post by Inverness Stokie on May 20, 2010 12:57:30 GMT
How do you win games? By scoring! Fuller scores the goals which potentially allows us to win games, the defence just keep us in whith a chance of winning. Fuller is by far the most influential and possibly our best player. If he was bone idle he wouldn't be chasing down 60 yard balls now would he? fuller dont score that many though mate, our success has been built from a strong back line I know what you mean Hustler but he's not just a goal scoring forward, he sets up his fair share of goals as well, maybe if he was a little more greedy then we'd see more goals.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on May 20, 2010 12:59:44 GMT
Ah the "bone idle" chestnut again. It's bollocks.
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Post by Coll40 on May 20, 2010 13:00:35 GMT
Fuller got 3 league goals - same as Kitson and Beattie. Etherington got 5 league goals. Tuncay got 4. Even Huth got 3. In total, our strikers got 15 league goals between them. Only Sidibe got less than Fuller. Our midfield got 10, defense got 8. By keeping clean sheets, scoring the odd goal and making chances for others, Shawcross, Huth, Etherington and even Wilko contribute more to the game than Fuller. I'd put Fuller on a par with Whitehead. Sometimes he's great and really shines, other times he might as well be sitting on the bench. He wants a contract extension. They should say, 'Get 10 league goals next season and we'll give you an extra year'. Then we might see how good he can really be.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on May 20, 2010 13:05:00 GMT
Yes, but I wouldn't swap him for a bag of coal, a lorry load maybe.
If I was Pulis try him on the wing, he's good at getting to the by-line.
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Post by PickSCFC on May 20, 2010 13:06:14 GMT
Yes, but I wouldn't swap him for a bag of coal, a lorry load maybe. If I was Pulis try him on the wing, he's good at getting to the by-line. try him on the wing? what a load of bollocks
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Post by Stokiedavo on May 20, 2010 13:14:21 GMT
Ricardo fuller is the best striker in the world on his day. and when he is on his day he is magnificent and a joy to watch. When he is not on the pitch we have no one created chances..
Ricardo Fuller City's number 10!
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on May 20, 2010 13:14:50 GMT
Yes, but I wouldn't swap him for a bag of coal, a lorry load maybe. If I was Pulis try him on the wing, he's good at getting to the by-line. try him on the wing? what a load of bollocks That's where he is all the time except for corners and throw-ins really. Sorry about that Hustler, ment to say where mama plays, giv'em the freedom still.
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Post by Stokiedavo on May 20, 2010 13:18:19 GMT
Fuller got 3 league goals - same as Kitson and Beattie. Etherington got 5 league goals. Tuncay got 4. Even Huth got 3. In total, our strikers got 15 league goals between them. Only Sidibe got less than Fuller. Our midfield got 10, defense got 8. By keeping clean sheets, scoring the odd goal and making chances for others, Shawcross, Huth, Etherington and even Wilko contribute more to the game than Fuller. I'd put Fuller on a par with Whitehead. Sometimes he's great and really shines, other times he might as well be sitting on the bench. He wants a contract extension. They should say, 'Get 10 league goals next season and we'll give you an extra year'. Then we might see how good he can really be. You my friend don't know what your talking about. fuller makes so many chances. fuller has played 22 full games and has scored 3. he has also played 5 f.a cup games and scored 4, also in the carling cup he came on against blackpool to score and then go off. he is a great asset to the club.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on May 20, 2010 13:21:02 GMT
Ricardo fuller is the best striker in the world on his day. and when he is on his day he is magnificent and a joy to watch. When he is not on the pitch we have no one created chances.. Ricardo Fuller City's number 10! Bloody hell he didn't have many good days did he this season, was it three league goals.
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Post by Stokiedavo on May 20, 2010 13:24:11 GMT
Ricardo fuller is the best striker in the world on his day. and when he is on his day he is magnificent and a joy to watch. When he is not on the pitch we have no one created chances.. Ricardo Fuller City's number 10! Bloody hell he didn't have many good days did he this season, was it three league goals. Okay.. check how many he set up then mate.
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Post by thebet365 on May 20, 2010 13:34:50 GMT
Bloody hell he didn't have many good days did he this season, was it three league goals. Okay.. check how many he set up then mate. Still won't be many, majority of our goals come from set piece plays. Now getting the set piece is were Rik is so dangerous for us. But he really does need to up his goals tally. Without Ethers we're heavily dependant on our back 4.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on May 20, 2010 13:46:39 GMT
Bloody hell he didn't have many good days did he this season, was it three league goals. Okay.. check how many he set up then mate. But that's why we arn't scoring goals he's never in the bloody area to score. The wingers and Sidibe are suppose to create for him. ;D ;D ;D ;D there lies our problem, for most of the season Delap's been on the right, Sidibe behind Fuller. ???
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2010 13:52:46 GMT
No.
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Post by fromafar07 on May 20, 2010 14:04:32 GMT
hell no !! but i would want both of them playing for us !!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2010 14:06:12 GMT
hell no !! but i would want both of them playing for us !! This is spot on!
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Post by ryouonthistrain on May 20, 2010 14:14:03 GMT
Both would be imense! I think Carlton could be" Mama" with a few more goals!
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Post by RAF on May 20, 2010 14:27:27 GMT
I just have, it's 7
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Post by y2j on May 20, 2010 14:42:31 GMT
That is possibly the biggest load of b0llocks I have ever read!! He isn't just a striker who taps the ball in from 5 yards, have you seen who many chances he creates, how many times we get possession from him harassing defs, or how many corners, throws etc we get from him making defs panic?? Yes he doesn't score as many as he could, but does he miss that many? No, it's more about the negative, defensive way we set out, and playing alongside Sidibe half the time doesn't bl00dy help, and that's not a dig at Mama. Gees, I don't know how old you are, but you obviously don't watch much footie. If we could sign someone like Carlton Cole, and play with 2 wingers and a centre mid that could actually thread balls through rather than just tackle, Fuller would score a lot more goals, pure and simple. Fuller got 3 league goals - same as Kitson and Beattie. Etherington got 5 league goals. Tuncay got 4. Even Huth got 3. In total, our strikers got 15 league goals between them. Only Sidibe got less than Fuller. Our midfield got 10, defense got 8. By keeping clean sheets, scoring the odd goal and making chances for others, Shawcross, Huth, Etherington and even Wilko contribute more to the game than Fuller. I'd put Fuller on a par with Whitehead. Sometimes he's great and really shines, other times he might as well be sitting on the bench. He wants a contract extension. They should say, 'Get 10 league goals next season and we'll give you an extra year'. Then we might see how good he can really be.
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Post by Coll40 on May 20, 2010 14:58:41 GMT
I'm 49
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Post by Coll40 on May 20, 2010 15:03:17 GMT
he is a great asset to the club. That is probably the most accurate comment on this thread. He is an ASSET to the club. He's not our best player and he's not one of the best strikers in the world. He's a good bloke to bring on for the last half an hour. We need better all round strikers for the other 60 minutes.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 20, 2010 15:03:21 GMT
Stoke are, for better or worse, a uniquely defensive team in the Premier League.
We create the fewest chances in the division, and what few we do create are mainly made by Fuller, either by a bit of magic himself or by getting a corner, free-kick or throw.
He is a one-man attack, with a little bit of counter-attacking help from Etherington.
I still think he's, by a distance, the best player Stoke have had since the 70s
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Post by y2j on May 20, 2010 15:11:47 GMT
Then you should know better! I'm 30, and the closest player we have had to him was Mark Stein. Stein was a different type of striker and was lucky to have players that created chances for him both with us and at Chelsea, though at times he 2 would score unbelievale goals. Fuller doesn't have that luxury, and we rely on Fuller to create chances for himself, as sometimes we may not even have more than 1 or 2 shots in a whole game. You need to remember that.
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Post by nantwichstokie on May 20, 2010 15:17:24 GMT
Coll40 everyone is entitled to their opinions but I am sorry I don't know what planet you are on! Answer to the original question, no! But I would have both
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Post by y2j on May 20, 2010 15:23:35 GMT
Coll, sorry I've just read my post and it sounds disrespectful and that's not my intention, as nantwichstokie said, football is all about opinions, that's what's great, I just find what you say a little baffling that's all. :-)
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Post by Coll40 on May 20, 2010 15:37:01 GMT
Coll, sorry I've just read my post and it sounds disrespectful and that's not my intention, as nantwichstokie said, football is all about opinions, that's what's great, I just find what you say a little baffling that's all. :-) No offence taken mate.
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Post by tazi on May 20, 2010 15:42:11 GMT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by nantwichstokie on May 20, 2010 15:58:37 GMT
Coll, sorry I've just read my post and it sounds disrespectful and that's not my intention, as nantwichstokie said, football is all about opinions, that's what's great, I just find what you say a little baffling that's all. :-) No offence taken mate. Same. I am all for a little bit of debate and understand Colls points regarding the defence and so on but at time Fuller makes it worth paying the fee alone! I love the guy. Fuller amongst our group is known only as God.
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