|
|
Post by waitingforwaddo on Apr 30, 2010 10:22:51 GMT
It's not with defenders or defensive midfielders or goalies. It's with the attack-minded players: Tuncay, Beattie, Kitson, maybe Lawrence. While Fuller has been benched a good deal and looked mightily miffed at times too. These are players who like to PLAY, who like ball to FEET, who want to show what they can do. Beattie and Kitson are penalty box poachers. They've both been played almost exclusively out of position, being asked to 'knock on' long high balls. Hence the frustration. Tuncay has also (laughably) been played in this role and never actually given any kind of run in the side at all. Is it any wonder we've dressing room unrest? And where does it take us? Back to the future, I suspect, as we've already seen this season with the reinstatement of Sidibe. One thing's for sure, though. Wwe won't be 'pushing on' by signing more 'footballers' any time soon.  |
|
|
|
Post by Olgrligm on Apr 30, 2010 10:27:23 GMT
Beattie - he seemed perfectly happy playing in the target man role last season and scoring plenty of goals. I think he's more than just a bit responsible for his attitude in the pre-season and beyond though, isn't he? He looked overweight, unfit and apathetic from when the first ball was kicked.
Kitson - sorry, he's not a poacher. Not like Beattie anyway. Look at the West Ham game at home for an example. Fuller turns Upson, has a shot and Green parries it straight into the path of Beattie, who has run 60 yards to score. Carbon copy incident a few minutes later with Kitson on for Beattie and Dave is standing on the edge of the box. He just doesn't have that very rare eye for goal. When his head's in the right place, he's a useful target man. When he's lost it - Hull away this season, the entirety of last season - he's absolutely useless.
Fuller - has he looked mightily miffed? Has he been doing things in the background, stirring up trouble or anything? He's seemed fine to me, especially when the manager saw that light and finally worked out how much better he is than Tuncay.
Tuncay - where on Earth do we actually play him?
|
|
|
|
Post by kiwistokie on Apr 30, 2010 10:32:35 GMT
Oh yes , some of us have bruised 'eads from wanting to see the better players let to play a better attacking style. Shame we don't get our heads around the 1 forward behind the other does'nt work and this is what these better skilled players 'ave been tryin to get across to the pig headed one. THAT is the real reason that our as a team goal tally is so piss poor. goin off now as I am seeing the same frusration as these players. night all
|
|
|
|
Post by Sammz on Apr 30, 2010 10:42:34 GMT
One step at a time chaps. Were we really expecting to waltz into the prem and score a sack load of goals? Third season now, if we don't start scoring a few more, then I'm sure Tone & Peter will look at it and do everything they can to fix it.
We shouldn't be trying to run before we can walk. It's not low expectancy or lack of ambition, it's just the reality of the situation.
|
|
|
|
Post by lew86 on Apr 30, 2010 10:48:34 GMT
One step at a time chaps. Were we really expecting to waltz into the prem and score a sack load of goals? Third season now, if we don't start scoring a few more, then I'm sure Tone & Peter will look at it and do everything they can to fix it. We shouldn't be trying to run before we can walk. It's not low expectancy or lack of ambition, it's just the reality of the situation. Thank you, a voice of reason. |
|
|
|
Post by scfc75 on Apr 30, 2010 11:01:24 GMT
Have we had these problems in the prevous 7 or 8 years of Pulis' tenure though? Possibly with the exception of Bangoura, I don't recall hearing of any big issues with player unrest (forwards or otherwise) until we reached the Premier League.
Fact is it gets publicised more now we are in the spotlight, these issues have probably gone on forever, and no doubt exist at most other clubs - it just all gets scrutinised in the Premier League to the nth degree.
|
|
|
|
Post by Stephen Frys' Ring on Apr 30, 2010 11:08:01 GMT
The big problem in the dressing room is.......... the drapes don't match the walls and some of the coat pegs look cheap and tacky, other than that i love what you've done with the place ;D  |
|
|
|
Post by coxeymcqueen on Apr 30, 2010 11:30:39 GMT
One of my colleagues saw Beattie in Nantwich a couple of weeks ago and asked whether he was still playing professional football or not. When I asked why her response was "Because he's a right fat b*stard!" - It's hardly TP's fault that Beattie hasn't put the effort in to get himself into shape...
|
|
|
|
Post by dandare on Apr 30, 2010 15:54:42 GMT
I actually agree with you Waddo. Pulis really has no idea how to incorporate individual skill into a team of his. He'd have difficulty finding room for Messi and Ronaldo. It must be as frustrating as hell for the likes of Tuncay on the bench who is by far one of our most dynamic players. Sure he acts like a spoilt brat at times, but when he's on the pitch he always gives 100 per cent and you can't ask for for than that. We have a team of aging players and a midfielder in Delap who performs no useful function apart from the ability to launch balls like exocets and even those aren't effective any more. I do worry about next season.
|
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2010 16:00:25 GMT
What big problem in the dressing room????
I hope you are not referring to Mama, he isn't that big
|
|
|
|
Post by MrMagic on Apr 30, 2010 16:06:31 GMT
My only concern about our alleged levels of team spirit are that it's OK to ship out the bad eggs and replace them, but decent players who are prepared to sit on the bench for half a game watching far poorer players take their place are very few and far between.
We stand a risk of just replicating the same problem if we do not do something about the cause rather than just getting rid of the symptom.
|
|
|
|
Post by Lightwood on Apr 30, 2010 16:22:29 GMT
Waddo's just trying to stir things so he can get the many boxes of red cards back out of his shed  |
|
|
|
Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Apr 30, 2010 16:51:15 GMT
Waddo's just trying to stir things so he can get the many boxes of red cards back out of his shed of course its old Mr Grisdale aka hudsonknob with another sideways swipe at TP |
|
|
|
Post by jarhead on Apr 30, 2010 17:01:44 GMT
waddo,kiwi,MrMagic-you are all spot on.
Sadly it will be the 'yes men' even more so now and into the future!
|
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2010 17:07:15 GMT
waddo,kiwi,MrMagic-you are all spot on. Sadly it will be the 'yes men' even more so now and into the future! Under the leadership of the original Waddo, punch ups on and off the pitch were a regular feature of life at SCFC. It was not an issue in the 60's and 70's and it isn't now. |
|
|
|
Post by rambo61 on Apr 30, 2010 17:08:46 GMT
Jarhead,welcome back!! BUT if you,re going to start and stick up for the dick who is "waiting for waddo" I think I,ll join muttley(I think thats who it was!!) and get you banned again!! ;D ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by SCFC92 on Apr 30, 2010 17:17:47 GMT
waddo,kiwi,MrMagic-you are all spot on. Sadly it will be the 'yes men' even more so now and into the future! Right, this is how I see it. In a dressing room full of around 18 blokes all with pretty sizeable egos there is going to be punch ups, fights, arguments etc. This will be happening at ALL clubs and not just ours. That is the whole point of having a dressing room where the information is not leaked. This will happen from Accrington Stanley all the way through to Barcelona it's just these teams have not got 1 or 2 wankers who seem to find it necessary to release the information which at all other clubs it kept secret. Beattie and Kitson are the only problems in my opinion, Tuncay whilst a bit of a mardarse, I feel is just passionate about football and at Stoke it just hasn't worked. Get rid of Beattie and Kitson and if he wants to leave Tuncay and this dresing room will be fine. It hasn't got anything to do with the position they play in in regards to attackers not being favoured for Pulis otherwise Fuller will have been shipped off ages ago, it is to do with two players who at other clubs have had it all their own way and the light is mainly on them. This is NOT happening at Stoke, it is a team game and that is how we will play it. And also Waddo, this whole Ball to feet thing, did you not see the first half against Bolton, the play was outstanding and somehow we lost this match. Keep polishing your red cards, I hear Man Utd are after a few. |
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Apr 30, 2010 17:18:39 GMT
waddo,kiwi,MrMagic-you are all spot on. Sadly it will be the 'yes men' even more so now and into the future! Under the leadership of the original Waddo, punch ups on and off the pitch were a regular feature of life at SCFC. It was not an issue in the 60's and 70's and it isn't now. We're not in the 60 and 70's though are we? Well You and Pulis's tactics are. It's a big enough issue to have Pulis in the national media all week and for the Chairman to come out and speak about. Like it or not, the whole mole, brawling, storming off debacles are a test of the Managers man management skills. I EXPECT him to have sorted it in time for tomorrow. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2010 17:23:42 GMT
Under the leadership of the original Waddo, punch ups on and off the pitch were a regular feature of life at SCFC. It was not an issue in the 60's and 70's and it isn't now. We're not in the 60 and 70's though are we? Well You and Pulis's tactics are. It's a big enough issue to have Pulis in the national media all week and for the Chairman to come out and speak about. Like it or not, the whole mole, brawling, storming off debacles are a test of the Managers man management skills. I EXPECT him to have sorted it in time for tomorrow. Absolutely. Ultimately the manager has to find a way to accommodate quality players and keep them happy if we're going to keep progressing at this level. It's not easy but that's why he earns the big bucks. |
|
|
|
Post by rambo61 on Apr 30, 2010 17:24:30 GMT
Waddo was a fantastic manager but he didn,t have to deal with these overpaid prima donnas. Im sure back in the seventies ,waddo would have called Smithy into the office and said "Sort it Dennis!!" Dennis would then have twatted said offender and job done!! Proper management,proper captaincy!! ;D ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by offthewall on Apr 30, 2010 17:28:28 GMT
Yes your right.
Kitson really reminded me of Jimmy Greaves when he missed that chance from 1 yard our V Bolton
|
|
|
|
Post by waitingforwaddo on Apr 30, 2010 17:29:01 GMT
Utter bollox Rambo. Waddo signed and MANAGED some of the most difficult and wayward characters in the game. He LOVED maverick talent unlike the present incumbent.
|
|
|
|
Post by MrMagic on Apr 30, 2010 17:29:39 GMT
We're not in the 60 and 70's though are we? Well You and Pulis's tactics are. It's a big enough issue to have Pulis in the national media all week and for the Chairman to come out and speak about. Like it or not, the whole mole, brawling, storming off debacles are a test of the Managers man management skills. I EXPECT him to have sorted it in time for tomorrow. Absolutely. Ultimately the manager has to find a way to accommodate quality players and keep them happy if we're going to keep progressing at this level. It's not easy but that's why he earns the big bucks. Agreed. I doubt that Pulis is daft enough to believe that he doesn't have to re-assess the way he does things, but all of the noises in the media seem to point towards him thinking that it's an isolated problem. I don't think that it is. I've also thought for ages that treating Fuller more favourably than his team mates would bite us at some point, and I still do. |
|
|
|
Post by stokelad84 on Apr 30, 2010 19:07:20 GMT
hudson crticising tp shocker!!
|
|
|
|
Post by waitingforwaddo on Apr 30, 2010 19:16:02 GMT
I do love that piccie. Says everything about you Laddie! Not a clue in the world.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cyprusdelilah on May 1, 2010 7:23:59 GMT
4-4-1-1 is ok but while he uses this style of play we'll never score enough goals. He need's a two central mid. and someone in front of them with creativity to replace the donkey.
|
|
|
|
Post by wuzza on May 1, 2010 7:37:13 GMT
I love the way HG tries to wrap up what is always a pathetic swipe at TP (who has made him look such a fool) in some sort of psuedo reasoned arguement - trouble is a 5 year old could pick holes. Equally sad is the way the usual culprits then line up behind it as though it has an ounce of credibility.
|
|
|
|
Post by waitingforwaddo on May 1, 2010 12:46:46 GMT
You're the fool Wuzza. Can't see past your nose can you fella?
|
|
|
|
Post by ti on May 1, 2010 13:24:49 GMT
Although im in my twenties and obvious wasn't around during the Waddo era, i do think that the existence of any level of debate as to why waddo should be considered the better manager shows just how well pulis has done.
|
|
|
|
Post by chesterfieldstokie on May 1, 2010 13:28:08 GMT
March4, when were punch ups a regular occurrence on the pitch?
I cant remember any on the pitch, I used to see some at training.
You sure you aren't bending the truth to suit your ' I love TP views'?
|
|
1
