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Post by daveray26 nealy 27 on Mar 20, 2010 9:55:14 GMT
thats wat it looked like in training yesterday, mama and tunc where training with youth team along with, pugh , liam , begovic , wilko ,.............................GO ON SUPER DAVE
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Post by GlynDerby on Mar 20, 2010 9:59:30 GMT
Kitson and fuller wont work, You cant have 2 lazy strikers on the pitch at the same time, you need a worker, not both standing there waiting for the ball to come, tuncay is a natural worker but they dont seem to get played together. Kitson and fuller just wont work, although after seeing Kitsons last two games he has made a effort to track and work, just dont think he'll do that from the start.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 20, 2010 10:03:17 GMT
I think we need to have a look at it again.
They did okay in what was maybe still our best home display of the season against Sunderland in August.
And with Mama really struggling recently, there really isn't any alternative to trying this if we're going to shake it up a bit.
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Post by march4 on Mar 20, 2010 10:05:20 GMT
Here we go again. How many times does Kitson have to play the Mama role before it becomes clear he can't do it.
At least when he fails (yet again) TP can tell him that he has given it a go but Mama is a better option for the team.
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Post by daveray26 nealy 27 on Mar 20, 2010 10:06:44 GMT
its what they were working on in training yesterday,....the shape of the team everything
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Post by march4 on Mar 20, 2010 10:08:56 GMT
its what they were working on in training yesterday,....the shape of the team everything I'm sure you are correct especially after TP's comments following the Villa game. I expect Tuncay will be getting to know the youth team pretty well over the coming weeks. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2010 10:12:19 GMT
Can someone refresh me a bit on this "Fuller is lazy" bullshit again? Is this just because he's a bit slow jogging back onside on occasion?
Kitson and Fuller showed enough last week to be worth a shot in my opinion. Kitson in form, as he was at the start of the season, was a far more polished target man than Sidibe and we looked a far better side, keeping the ball well. However, even then he didn't seem to click with Fuller.
Last weekend though they combined well and with Mama having a bad patch it's worth a go.
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Post by march4 on Mar 20, 2010 10:15:04 GMT
Can someone refresh me a bit on this "Fuller is lazy" bullshit again? Is this just because he's a bit slow jogging back onside on occasion? Kitson and Fuller showed enough last week to be worth a shot in my opinion. Kitson in form, as he was at the start of the season, was a far more polished target man than Sidibe and we looked a far better side, keeping the ball well. However, even then he didn't seem to click with Fuller. Last weekend though they combined well and with Mama having a bad patch it's worth a go. It's got to be worth trying it for an hour. I can't see it working as Kitson is bone idle, but there again I stand to be corrected at 5pm. A little kid near us thought Kitson's first name was run due to all the people who keep shouting 'run Kitson you lazy ********' |
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Post by GlynDerby on Mar 20, 2010 10:16:37 GMT
I dont mean he's lazy, its a just a phrase. You cant have both strikers running around and pressing the ball because the foramtion gets out of shape, the opposition pushes up and it creates pressure, When i say fuller is lazy i just mean that he's the striker who doesnt press unless the ball is very close to him and holds the position up front, you cant have both players doing that so in my opinion unless Kitson has had a change of attitude you cant play them together
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2010 10:17:02 GMT
Can someone refresh me a bit on this "Fuller is lazy" bullshit again? Is this just because he's a bit slow jogging back onside on occasion? Kitson and Fuller showed enough last week to be worth a shot in my opinion. Kitson in form, as he was at the start of the season, was a far more polished target man than Sidibe and we looked a far better side, keeping the ball well. However, even then he didn't seem to click with Fuller. Last weekend though they combined well and with Mama having a bad patch it's worth a go. It's got to be worth trying it for an hour. I can't see it working as Kitson is bone idle, but there again I stand to be corrected at 5pm. A little kid near us thought Kitson's first name was run due to all the people who keep shouting 'run Kitson you lazy ********' At his worst, he's Godawful, no doubt about it. He must know he's running out of chances though. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2010 10:18:43 GMT
I dont mean he's lazy, its a just a phrase. You cant have both strikers running around and pressing the ball because the foramtion gets out of shape, the opposition pushes up and it creates pressure, When i say fuller is lazy i just mean that he's the striker who doesnt press unless the ball is very close to him and holds the position up front, you cant have both players doing that so in my opinion unless Kitson has had a change of attitude you cant play them together I think it depends which Kitson turns up. In form he can play the target man role good and really add something. At his worst it's like playing with 10 men. |
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Post by march4 on Mar 20, 2010 10:18:50 GMT
It's got to be worth trying it for an hour. I can't see it working as Kitson is bone idle, but there again I stand to be corrected at 5pm. A little kid near us thought Kitson's first name was run due to all the people who keep shouting 'run Kitson you lazy ********' At his worst, he's Godawful, no doubt about it. He must know he's running out of chances though. Very true. His future prospects in the Prem must be his biggest motivation. |
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Post by werrington on Mar 20, 2010 10:19:18 GMT
Can someone refresh me a bit on this "Fuller is lazy" bullshit again? Is this just because he's a bit slow jogging back onside on occasion? Kitson and Fuller showed enough last week to be worth a shot in my opinion. Kitson in form, as he was at the start of the season, was a far more polished target man than Sidibe and we looked a far better side, keeping the ball well. However, even then he didn't seem to click with Fuller. Last weekend though they combined well and with Mama having a bad patch it's worth a go. It's got to be worth trying it for an hour. I can't see it working as Kitson is bone idle, but there again I stand to be corrected at 5pm. A little kid near us thought Kitson's first name was run due to all the people who keep shouting 'run Kitson you lazy ********' As against a bloke who is so out of his depth he drowned 12 months ago...flicking on headers { if he manages to actually head it } into nowhere and lets not forget his { lack of } hold up play....Have a guess who i am taliking about?? |
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Post by jarhead on Mar 20, 2010 10:23:18 GMT
march4-You keep banging that drum of only mama playing the mama role well thats obvious but IF you change personal why does'nt then the clueless prick then try playing to Kitsons strengths with the ball played into his feet more where he holds the ball up well and CAN find a pass for Fuller or certainly link up with him? just a thought.
Its called adapting because why buy kitson,tunny better quality then put a division 4 donkey up with them but play to his 'so called strengths' which are laughable at this level.
We saw the clever link up play by kitson and Tunny v man city in the cup at the brit to back my point up and it aint rocket science is it? Good players CAN play together and in a different way than HOPING some daft bottling donkey wins a flick on and it drops perfectly between 4 defenders into the path to score!!! It does not happen im afraid or maybe twice a season?
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Post by march4 on Mar 20, 2010 10:24:26 GMT
It's got to be worth trying it for an hour. I can't see it working as Kitson is bone idle, but there again I stand to be corrected at 5pm. A little kid near us thought Kitson's first name was run due to all the people who keep shouting 'run Kitson you lazy ********' As against a bloke who is so out of his depth he drowned 12 months ago...flicking on headers { if he manages to actually head it } into nowhere and lets not forget his { lack of } hold up play....Have a guess who i am taliking about?? 40 headers in the first half last week plus the ability to stop Villa building from the back plus giving our defenders an easy target when clearing the ball plus causing chaos on the long throws. And this was a poor game for Mama. Unfortunately Dozy Dave does none of the above. Infact he does nothing at all apart from standing in the centre circle with his finger up his arse. |
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Post by jen on Mar 20, 2010 10:25:11 GMT
"I think it depends which Kitson turns up. In form he can play the target man role good and really add something. At his worst it's like playing with 10 men. "
The same can be said for Mama as well. Mama's clearly struggling at the moment - so I hope Kitson takes his chance.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 20, 2010 10:26:01 GMT
40 headers yeh right but WHAT did this create as the 2nd striker the 2nd closest to there goal? F--K ALL!
Next!
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Post by griffoisalegend on Mar 20, 2010 10:26:29 GMT
Kitson and fuller wont work, You cant have 2 lazy strikers on the pitch at the same time, you need a worker, not both standing there waiting for the ball to come, tuncay is a natural worker but they dont seem to get played together. Kitson and fuller just wont work, although after seeing Kitsons last two games he has made a effort to track and work, just dont think he'll do that from the start. Fuller lazy? Tell me another Stoke striker who runs 30- 40 yards chasing hopeless punts into the corners about 20 times a match ;D Okay he doesn't "press" defenders like Tuncay does, but the latter does that for 30 seconds,whilst the defence laugh at him and pass it around him, gets the crowd worked up, and then is totally fucked for the rest of the game  Can't see Kitson starting to be honest though. |
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Post by jen on Mar 20, 2010 10:27:45 GMT
"40 headers in the first half last week plus the ability to stop Villa building from the back plus giving our defenders an easy target when clearing the ball plus causing chaos on the long throws. And this was a poor game for Mama."
March I've suspected for a while that your constant praising of Mama was a mammmoth wind up - now I'm convinced.
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Post by march4 on Mar 20, 2010 10:28:10 GMT
40 headers yeh right but WHAT did this create as the 2nd striker the 2nd closest to there goal? F--K ALL! Next! We play a LONE striker. Mama is not and never will be played as a striker. It is the job of the two wide men to get beyond Mama and support the lone striker. |
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Post by GlynDerby on Mar 20, 2010 10:28:23 GMT
Kitson and fuller wont work, You cant have 2 lazy strikers on the pitch at the same time, you need a worker, not both standing there waiting for the ball to come, tuncay is a natural worker but they dont seem to get played together. Kitson and fuller just wont work, although after seeing Kitsons last two games he has made a effort to track and work, just dont think he'll do that from the start. Fuller lazy? Tell me another Stoke striker who runs 30- 40 yards chasing hopeless punts into the corners about 20 times a match ;D Can't see Kitson starting to be honest. Read my other post regarding the term "lazy" and stop being lazy yourself  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2010 10:41:18 GMT
"I think it depends which Kitson turns up. In form he can play the target man role good and really add something. At his worst it's like playing with 10 men. " The same can be said for Mama as well. Mama's clearly struggling at the moment - so I hope Kitson takes his chance. Absolutely. I'm looking forward to the day Pulis gets into Europe because you can bet that Jarhead will still call him a "clueless prick". It's becoming a great comedy catchphrase, a bit like Trigger always calling Rodney "Dave". |
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 20, 2010 10:41:26 GMT
We need to play football. The Mama roll does not enter into it or if it does it is a last resort. Kitson IMHO is better equipped than Mama providing he shows the desire and wants to play.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 20, 2010 10:44:23 GMT
40 headers in the first half last week plus the ability to stop Villa building from the back plus giving our defenders an easy target when clearing the ball plus causing chaos on the long throws. And this was a poor game for Mama. . 40 headers! If I've said it once Iv'e said it 100 million times exaggeration is a poor way to try and make a point. |
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Post by march4 on Mar 20, 2010 10:47:20 GMT
40 headers in the first half last week plus the ability to stop Villa building from the back plus giving our defenders an easy target when clearing the ball plus causing chaos on the long throws. And this was a poor game for Mama. . 40 headers! If I've said it once Iv'e said it 100 million times exaggeration is a poor way to try and make a point. ;D ;D march jnr and me counted them out loud (it was an uneventful game) just to annoy the bloke who sits by us and can't stand Mama. It really was 40 - that doesn't mean they did anything productive of course. We will counting Kitson's headers today. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 20, 2010 10:50:01 GMT
I dont mean he's lazy, its a just a phrase. You cant have both strikers running around and pressing the ball because the foramtion gets out of shape, the opposition pushes up and it creates pressure, When i say fuller is lazy i just mean that he's the striker who doesnt press unless the ball is very close to him and holds the position up front, you cant have both players doing that so in my opinion unless Kitson has had a change of attitude you cant play them together I think it depends which Kitson turns up. In form he can play the target man role good and really add something. At his worst it's like playing with 10 men. Bit like Mama actually Rob! |
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Post by march4 on Mar 20, 2010 10:51:44 GMT
I think it depends which Kitson turns up. In form he can play the target man role good and really add something. At his worst it's like playing with 10 men. Bit like Mama actually Rob! Very true ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2010 10:58:56 GMT
I think it depends which Kitson turns up. In form he can play the target man role good and really add something. At his worst it's like playing with 10 men. Bit like Mama actually Rob! Absolutely  |
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Post by Joules on Mar 20, 2010 10:59:04 GMT
As long as we win, thats all that matters.
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Post by daveray26 nealy 27 on Mar 20, 2010 11:06:38 GMT
GGGOOOAAARRNNN SUPER DAVE
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