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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 20, 2010 8:14:12 GMT
Finally got round to watching the film. Sheen gets Clough right. It's much more sympathetic to him than the book.
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Post by Orbs on Mar 20, 2010 8:41:48 GMT
I was at a 40th party a few months ago when I got talking to this bloke who it turned out had a daughter in my daughters class.
Hitting it off - we got chatting about football and he said he was a Derby fan. As I had just seen the film I started telling him bits about it and how he should go and see it. I then mentioned the Derby chairman and said something along the lines of "He was a right nutter!"
To which the bloke replied "That was my grandad....."
Quick name check when I got home at my daughter has a "Longson?" in her class.....
He laughed and said he was bonkers so all good in the end (especially when I bought him a pint to apologise!")
Great film an all.
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Post by hew on Mar 20, 2010 10:19:42 GMT
I enjoyed it too.. Went with a mate who is a die hard rugby league fan who said it was a shit film and i owe him his ticket money for convincing him to go Needless to say i called him a heathen and told him to sod off ;D
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Post by kaney78 on Mar 20, 2010 10:35:43 GMT
Only thing that put me off watchin it was that cloughs wife didnt like it and said wasnt a very good portrayl of him.but when got round to watchin it thought was a very good film and very entertaining.although thought clough did come across as a bit of a twat at times in my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2010 10:38:42 GMT
Only thing that put me off watchin it was that cloughs wife didnt like it and said wasnt a very good portrayl of him.but when got round to watchin it thought was a very good film and very entertaining.although thought clough did come across as a bit of a twat at times in my opinion I think Clough's wife didn't like it because at times it wasn't flattering of him, but reading the various books on Clough it seems it was a reasonably accurate portrayal.
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Mar 20, 2010 10:49:16 GMT
It was shite. Pure fiction!!!
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Post by potters11 on Mar 20, 2010 10:51:30 GMT
Brilliant film.
End of discussion!
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Post by kaney78 on Mar 20, 2010 10:51:58 GMT
Legend clough was.never forget that pitch invasion at forest and he was standin there throwing punches at the people runnin on,found it quite funny
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Post by redgate on Mar 20, 2010 11:44:47 GMT
cracking film shite book
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2010 11:45:32 GMT
I much preferred the book to the film.
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Post by jacka118 on Mar 20, 2010 12:06:52 GMT
I liked the film, Clough is portrayed brilliantly by Mr Sheen
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Post by knowles on Mar 20, 2010 12:10:26 GMT
Superb film. Worth watching Sheen in Frost/Nixon too- he is equally brilliant in that.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Mar 20, 2010 14:23:45 GMT
I actually taught the complete opposite. The book was excellent but the film was shite, Sheen got Clough spot on but they watered down the film that much from the book it was just rubbish IMO
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Mar 20, 2010 15:06:14 GMT
ultimately its a love story isnt it
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 21, 2010 13:19:53 GMT
At that time Clough was a bit of a gobby twat though. His hobby was slagging off Leeds. Which begs the question....why the hell did he go there? He knew how close Revie was to his boys. In his book Clough says Manny Cussins told him and manager the players would go on strike for was fine by him. That appealed to Clough so off he went.
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Post by kaney78 on Mar 21, 2010 13:57:36 GMT
At that time Clough was a bit of a gobby twat though. His hobby was slagging off Leeds. Which begs the question....why the hell did he go there? He knew how close Revie was to his boys. In his book Clough says Manny Cussins told him and manager the players would go on strike for was fine by him. That appealed to Clough so off he went. -thats why i think he came across as a bit dislikeable at times
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 21, 2010 13:59:53 GMT
From the moment he joined he did everything wrong. Not least arriving five days late.
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Post by kaney78 on Mar 21, 2010 14:12:45 GMT
From the moment he joined he did everything wrong. Not least arriving five days late. -arrogant bloke really lol but still reckon one of the most Colouful,entertaining managers thats ever been.not many like him about now.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 21, 2010 14:16:12 GMT
Great manager. Not the greatest, and unlike everyone else I don't think he'd have been a brilliant England manager but he did very special achievements. John Robertson. Fat chain smoker yet Clough transformed him into a top winger!
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Post by kaney78 on Mar 21, 2010 14:27:57 GMT
Did a brilliant job at derby and good job at forest.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 21, 2010 14:31:04 GMT
Cak at Brighton though!! ;D
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Post by kaney78 on Mar 21, 2010 15:00:39 GMT
Cak at Brighton though!! ;D -couldnt perform miracles lol
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Mar 21, 2010 15:12:47 GMT
I thought the film was toss and the attention to detail was awful - the "Leeds Players" nearly all had beer guts or just didn't move like footballers, the Giles character was all right foot...when the real Giles was almost totally left foot
and right at the start, the first training session, and "Norman Hunter" crashes Sheen to the floor..........it's July, it's warm, dry and sunny...yet Sheen comes up covered in MUD ??
and Timothy Spall playing Peter Taylor in the only accent Spall can do - West Midlands.....when Taylor was a 100% East Midlands man
woeful production
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Post by kaney78 on Mar 21, 2010 15:30:20 GMT
I thought the film was toss and the attention to detail was awful - the "Leeds Players" nearly all had beer guts or just didn't move like footballers, the Giles character was all right foot...when the real Giles was almost totally left foot and right at the start, the first training session, and "Norman Hunter" crashes Sheen to the floor..........it's July, it's warm, dry and sunny...yet Sheen comes up covered in MUD ?? and Timothy Spall playing Peter Taylor in the only accent Spall can do - West Midlands.....when Taylor was a 100% East Midlands man woeful production -bloody hell,thats a lot of attention to detail
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 21, 2010 16:13:54 GMT
I haven't forgiven them for the complete lack of reference to Clough's first game in charge of Leeds.
It was a good three goal thrashing at the Vic of course.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 21, 2010 23:48:36 GMT
Remember though in them days some players, while not having beer guts, could be quite portly. Francis Lee. Puskas.
I didn't mind the parts with a lack of detail.
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Post by kaney78 on Mar 21, 2010 23:54:34 GMT
The film And book are classed as fiction anyway im sure.even though based on clough and leeds its not a biography anyway
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 22, 2010 0:03:24 GMT
The book was a dramatisation. When I read it I thought it was all OK as long as people remember it isn't strictly the truth.
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Post by kaney78 on Mar 22, 2010 0:27:24 GMT
Put me off a bit because in my eyes it is sort of a biography even though claiming it isnt.but when did watch it found it very good.and to be fair a lot of films/books that are meant to be true life put few things in that arent quite true to life or miss things out
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 22, 2010 0:35:53 GMT
I'm reading the book at the moment. I have to say I'm enjoying it but mainly because of the subject matter - I'm not enamoured with the writing style at all. Waiting 'til I've finished it to watch the film.
However, I share kaney's doubts about the ethics of it. I think if you're going to dramatise (and fictionalise) somebody's life, especially of a person who died so recently, I think the least you can do is get their family's consent.
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