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Post by wuzza on Feb 26, 2010 2:30:09 GMT
The point made by Beardy earlier in this thread absolutely sums it up. So many of the opinions expressed on this message board are extremist nonsense. There was no way Whitehead was as bad as so many were keen to make out but of course common sense is boring so they had to come out with the remakably witty 'Shitehead' etc etc stuff. Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes and not jump on the back of the next convenient target ...............as if !
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 26, 2010 2:48:50 GMT
The point made by Beardy earlier in this thread absolutely sums it up. So many of the opinions expressed on this message board are extremist nonsense. There was no way Whitehead was as bad as so many were keen to make out but of course common sense is boring so they had to come out with the remakably witty 'Shitehead' etc etc stuff. Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes and not jump on the back of the next convenient target ...............as if ! Indeed wuzza, beardy was absolutely bang on ... Whitehead wasn't ever shit but by the same token, some of the (now) crazy over the top praise needs to be tempered also, that actually was the point that our bearded friend was (imho) making. I haven't ever slagged Deano on here but I'm still not sure that our best midfield pairing (AS A WHOLE) isn't Rory and Glenn (they complement each other really, really well and haven't ever let us down when paired together) rather than Deano and one of Rory OR Glenn. Having said that, I thought he was absolutely fooking mint at RIGHT BACK last night ... that coming from somebody who has got a pretty high regard for Wilko in that position.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 26, 2010 3:16:32 GMT
Amen to all the Mr S !
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Post by wembley4372 on Feb 26, 2010 7:02:58 GMT
This just strenghtens my view that I watch a different game to most of you. He was never crap but he hasn't turned into the world class international some of you are in danger of rating him as.
This lack of objectivity seems to be a trait on here, a player only has to have a couple of good games and suddenly Fabio is biased towards the big clubs as he isn't choosing ours!
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 26, 2010 7:19:46 GMT
The fact that 'impatience is a virtue' is now a successful advertising campaign illustrates that it's not a Whitehead, Stoke or even football issue. This coupled with an outbreak of the 'any stick to beat the manager' rash that this board is prone to.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 26, 2010 7:31:03 GMT
This just strenghtens my view that I watch a different game to most of you. He was never crap but he hasn't turned into the world class international some of you are in danger of rating him as. This lack of objectivity seems to be a trait on here, a player only has to have a couple of good games and suddenly Fabio is biased towards the big clubs as he isn't choosing ours! Wembley - now you are being biased. Dean hasn't just had a "couple of good games" - you'd probably have to go back to mid December to find a game where his game was anything less than good. For me the big advantage he has over most players is his fitness. Now he has settled into the side, even if he has an off day his amazing level of fitness will turn a below par game into a satisfactory performance. Paul Spencer makes a good point about whether our best midfield pairing is in fact Delap and Whelan. Certainly I get the impression that Whelan is much more inclined to be creative and get forward when he has Delap behind him. The work he did to set up Tuncay's goal was great but I wonder if he would have done it if Delap had not been his partner at the time. Might be worth continuting the experiment of Glen and Rory in the centre with Dean at right back against Arsenal tomorrow?
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Post by redstriper on Feb 26, 2010 8:17:17 GMT
Cearly, all Whitehead needed was to take note of all the we informed, constructive criticism he got from a few members of this board. No doubt he spent every evening analysing it, it must have made all the difference to read "shitehead" every night.
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Post by mcf on Feb 26, 2010 8:28:48 GMT
He wasn't shit, and he now isn't suddenly gold either.
It's funny how everybody is appreciated so much more when results are going your way.
Take out some of the results against the top 4 teams, then we've had a really consistent season.
We've probably been between 9th and 12th for the vast majority of the season steadily picking up points every step of the way.
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Post by boothenesque on Feb 26, 2010 8:55:54 GMT
We always have to have a scapegoat. Used to be Paul Richardson until he scored that goal at NottsC. Paul Macguire until he scored 4 to keep us up. When Etherington came people were slaggng him off, Sidibe, Cresswell, Kitson, Whitehead, now it's Diao's turn.....who next Ab Faye. Players like Diao, Cresswell and Sidibe may not be the best, but they give their all for the team, yeah they get paid well to do that, but how on earth does it help to get on their backs? Surely if they were encouraged to do the best they can because they want to do their all for the club is better for everyone. The better they do, the better the club does and the better players are attracted and the team evolves. We need the encourage whoever plays, so long as they put the effort in, even if that does mean they are not as effective as we'd all like. I for one am enjoying the best spell for decades and I'm happy to make steady patient progress and so long as whoever is selected does their best. We should let other fans get on the backs of their own players, we try and cheer on ALL our players and give the opposition as much stick as possible. Let's be different to the others and just simply cheer on ALL our players and give them all the support we can.
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Feb 26, 2010 9:47:57 GMT
I was talking about this yesterday, Deano in particular, but the team as a whole... take a bunch of misfits, rejects, no-hopers, a player that nearly died in a riot, a bad boy from darkest Kingston, a gambling addict, a 'soccer star in porn film shame' etc etc etc ad infinitum...
throw in 30 odd years of pain
throw in a economically depressed part of england
throw in a long throw
if we win anything this year, the script writes itself.... its like living a movie... makes "the miracle" look wank!
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Post by smapples on Feb 26, 2010 10:09:20 GMT
Arismendi looked alright versus Vallodolid He didn't play. Whitehead and Kitson linked up superbly that night. I am sure he did, he got subbed off just after half time.....or maybe am I thinking Blackpool? I sat in the same (but not my usual st) place for those.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2010 12:39:08 GMT
The point made by Beardy earlier in this thread absolutely sums it up. So many of the opinions expressed on this message board are extremist nonsense. There was no way Whitehead was as bad as so many were keen to make out but of course common sense is boring so they had to come out with the remakably witty 'Shitehead' etc etc stuff. Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes and not jump on the back of the next convenient target ...............as if ! Indeed wuzza, beardy was absolutely bang on ... Whitehead wasn't ever shit but by the same token, some of the (now) crazy over the top praise needs to be tempered also, that actually was the point that our bearded friend was (imho) making. I haven't ever slagged Deano on here but I'm still not sure that our best midfield pairing (AS A WHOLE) isn't Rory and Glenn (they complement each other really, really well and haven't ever let us down when paired together) rather than Deano and one of Rory OR Glenn. Having said that, I thought he was absolutely fooking mint at RIGHT BACK last night ... that coming from somebody who has got a pretty high regard for Wilko in that position. I'm sorry but he was shite. He was anonymous and for a midfielder that is shite.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2010 12:41:00 GMT
He didn't play. Whitehead and Kitson linked up superbly that night. I am sure he did, he got subbed off just after half time.....or maybe am I thinking Blackpool? I sat in the same (but not my usual st) place for those. He played against Blackpool and was subbed at half time and I'm 99.9% certain that he didn't play against Valladolid.
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Post by antwilkes123 on Feb 26, 2010 12:43:22 GMT
boothenesque - spot on, couldn't agree more. As for Deano, what an improvement. He's now no. 1 on the team sheet - not just CM!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2010 12:49:43 GMT
Some people decided he was shit before he had even played a game. The reaction on here when we signed him shows that. Players need time to settle in to a new team and he was not given it by a lot of fans. When we signed Huth it was "not another centre half, what do we need another one for"? Again another over reaction from a lot of the fans. You would have thought by now that these fans would have learnt to be patient and realise that Pulis does have a fair idea as to what he is doing but no doubt next transfer window it will be the same again on here.
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Post by RAF on Feb 26, 2010 12:53:38 GMT
I think that is the singlemost ridiculous post I have read this week. It has fuck all to do with being a PHW and all to do with watching the fucking games. Whitehead was utter toss for a couple of months, that is a fact. I suppose it depends on what you are prepared to put up with and for how long. Fortunately Whitehead has turned it around, unlike his mate Collins. How long are you prepared to give him? Mind you there were people on here still holding on to the thought that Periwinkle could do a job for us right until the bitter end. It has fuck all to do with disliking Pulis and probably more to do with being impatient and intolerant.
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Post by wembley4372 on Feb 26, 2010 12:59:05 GMT
Forny - I accept the cynic in me rises to the top too easily and I might have exaggerated the 'couple of good games' part in your focussed view on Dean but I was referring to the group, where Ethers, Shawx, Wilko and before his call up Lenny were being touted as internationals. I liked Dean back in the days when he was being slated by most on here who still only seem to see what happens when a player touches the ball.
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Post by youareallwrong on Feb 26, 2010 13:08:29 GMT
I just thought that, rather than indulging in speculation or the vagaries of memory, I would actually check on the official site who played against Valladolid, and Arismendi did not play and was not used as a substitute.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2010 13:11:16 GMT
I just thought that, rather than indulging in speculation or the vagaries of memory, I would actually check on the official site who played against Valladolid, and Arismendi did not play and was not used as a substitute. I checked last night.
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Post by pasa on Feb 26, 2010 13:12:09 GMT
" Whitehead-shit to gold? How? "
itused to be called settling into your new club with your new teammates, thing is we dont have patience, we are still new to spending millions on a player and as fans expect results from the word go.
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Post by alster on Feb 26, 2010 13:33:26 GMT
He got stick for the first few months because he played shite had little or no influence on the game and did not seem to be very good at any aspect of the game. His praise now is fullsome bordering on over the top. Yes he has improved vastly, maybe due to settling in, fitness, Pulis working out how to use him best, him getting used to the positional discipline that Pulis demands but he remains a footballer of limited ability who relies more on effort and determination than skill, he is miles away from international recognition and I don't believe that will change in his lifetime.
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