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Post by salopstick on Feb 25, 2010 22:01:56 GMT
fittest guy in team
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2010 22:02:25 GMT
His performances weren't middle ground though. They were abysmal and he rightfully got barrel loads of criticism. We spent a hell of a lot of money on a midfielder that didn't like tackling and would shy away from the games. The turnaround has been massive though and fair play to him for that. Conna fault the lad for his performances since the Blackburn game.
Talk about England though is amusing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2010 22:02:56 GMT
Whatever floats Your boat.
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Post by fromafar07 on Feb 25, 2010 22:29:22 GMT
could not agree more, as i was one of his major detractors for the first15 games of the season as he was pretty crap. however, for the past 10 games or so he has played very very well. maybe it takes some time for certain players to adjust to their new surroundings. thats why i just can't understand what the hell happened to Kitson after the first cpl of games of the season. let him play, let him get some time in and give Sidibe a month or 2 off
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 25, 2010 22:32:49 GMT
His performances weren't middle ground though. They were abysmal and he rightfully got barrel loads of criticism. We spent a hell of a lot of money on a midfielder that didn't like tackling and would shy away from the games. The turnaround has been massive though and fair play to him for that. Conna fault the lad for his performances since the Blackburn game. Talk about England though is amusing. I thnk you know what i mean though mate. My ratings have gone from 6's to 8's while loads have gone from 3's to 9's and 10's.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2010 22:34:15 GMT
His performances weren't middle ground though. They were abysmal and he rightfully got barrel loads of criticism. We spent a hell of a lot of money on a midfielder that didn't like tackling and would shy away from the games. The turnaround has been massive though and fair play to him for that. Conna fault the lad for his performances since the Blackburn game. Talk about England though is amusing. I thnk you know what i mean though mate. My ratings have gone from 6's to 8's while loads have gone from 3's to 9's and 10's. 5's to 7/8's for me. In fact I think my favourite saying back then was "worth no more than a 6".
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Post by slangking on Feb 25, 2010 22:35:16 GMT
His performances weren't middle ground though. They were abysmal and he rightfully got barrel loads of criticism. We spent a hell of a lot of money on a midfielder that didn't like tackling and would shy away from the games. The turnaround has been massive though and fair play to him for that. Conna fault the lad for his performances since the Blackburn game. Talk about England though is amusing. No his performances were not shiite, you were just desperate to call them shiite after you slagged him off from the time we looked like signing him just as you do with virtually everyone else we sign.
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Post by makkapakka on Feb 25, 2010 22:39:16 GMT
His performances weren't middle ground though. They were abysmal and he rightfully got barrel loads of criticism. We spent a hell of a lot of money on a midfielder that didn't like tackling and would shy away from the games. The turnaround has been massive though and fair play to him for that. Conna fault the lad for his performances since the Blackburn game. Talk about England though is amusing. No his performances were not shiite, you were just desperate to call them shiite after you slagged him off from the time we looked like signing him just as you do with virtually everyone else we sign. Here here, well said that man
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2010 22:39:38 GMT
His performances weren't middle ground though. They were abysmal and he rightfully got barrel loads of criticism. We spent a hell of a lot of money on a midfielder that didn't like tackling and would shy away from the games. The turnaround has been massive though and fair play to him for that. Conna fault the lad for his performances since the Blackburn game. Talk about England though is amusing. No his performances were not shiite, you were just desperate to call them shiite after you slagged him off from the time we looked like signing him just as you do with virtually everyone else we sign. Evening slangy! I'm sorry but they were shite. One game early on in the season he made 5 passes all game. That indicates for a central midfielder a certain shiteness. And I don't slag off all the signings and when I do and I am wrong I admit unlike some.
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Post by slangking on Feb 25, 2010 22:42:25 GMT
Ever heard of giving a player time to settle in to how a team plays? No thought not, thinking is not your forte, writing thousands of inane posts is more your style.
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Post by Davef on Feb 25, 2010 22:46:12 GMT
I think the fact that he wasn't the creative, midfield playermaker many were demanding/expecting went against him for quite a while.
I thought he looked decent in the pre-season friendly against Vallodolid but then struggled to make any kind of impact.
Wouldn't want to see a Stoke team without him right now though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2010 22:46:27 GMT
Ever heard of giving a player time to settle in to how a team plays? No thought not, thinking is not your forte, writing thousands of inane posts is more your style. I have, I was one of the only ones to stick up for Kitson in fact. I'm amazed at the change in Whitehead and the scale of it. Because he did play with that air of anonymity about him. Now he actually stamps his presence on the game. It's very impressive and him and TP need to be congratulated.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2010 22:47:20 GMT
I think the fact that he wasn't the creative, midfield playermaker many were demanding/expecting went against him for quite a while. I thought he looked decent in the pre-season friendly against Vallodolid but then struggled to make any kind of impact. Wouldn't want to see a Stoke team without him right now though. I forgot about Valladolid. I had a little jizzfest over him after that game. He was bloody brilliant!
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Post by Linx on Feb 25, 2010 23:01:12 GMT
At the end of the day, he was Sunderland's skipper, which must say something (not necessarily bad). I was never a DHW ; it always seems to take players a while to fit in at Stoke - look at Ethers.
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Post by orlandostokie on Feb 25, 2010 23:11:00 GMT
TP saw something that he could use. 30 years of coaching experience can be helpful at times. In Tony we trust.
Deano didn't turn to gold- he just needed a polish :-)
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Post by smapples on Feb 25, 2010 23:25:45 GMT
I don't think it is fickle. It is just mirroring how he has done on the pitch. He was totally wank and things needed to change and they did. I won't criticise someone who is playing well and deserves better. I don't think he's the best but the turnaround from the anonymous halfwit who would touch the ball 5 times a game to the player we see now who is everywhere but is actually stamping his authority on the game is immense. Swap fickle for extremist then. There doesn't seem to be much of a middle ground on here. ;D If he put a few mediocre performances there would be, but he's on fire at the moment. For me Rory is the perfect example of middleground - this season around the Chelsea/Man u home games he was League 1 at best but then a few throws later and he's got a bit more credit - but I still think he's lacking in the footballing department
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Post by smapples on Feb 25, 2010 23:26:55 GMT
I think the fact that he wasn't the creative, midfield playermaker many were demanding/expecting went against him for quite a while. I thought he looked decent in the pre-season friendly against Vallodolid but then struggled to make any kind of impact. Wouldn't want to see a Stoke team without him right now though. Arismendi looked alright versus Vallodolid
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2010 23:36:54 GMT
I think the fact that he wasn't the creative, midfield playermaker many were demanding/expecting went against him for quite a while. I thought he looked decent in the pre-season friendly against Vallodolid but then struggled to make any kind of impact. Wouldn't want to see a Stoke team without him right now though. Arismendi looked alright versus Vallodolid He didn't play. Whitehead and Kitson linked up superbly that night.
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Post by justinp on Feb 25, 2010 23:46:24 GMT
best player in the squad, whitehead for england.
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Post by kitkatkev on Feb 25, 2010 23:53:15 GMT
no not everyone thought he was shiite, it takes time to settle in a new team with different players, some of you phw's need to realise that Same here. Stuck up for him from day one which was fucking hard work with some of you lot. Always said he'd be a good, solid signing who's one of the fittest players in the league and very consistent. No world beater but puts in a solid performance practically every week. Now you fickle buggers have gone so far the other way i'm finding myself calming down the same people who think he's the best thing since sliced bread. ;D Hes a world beater in my eyes and player of the season to boot
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 25, 2010 23:55:51 GMT
He was never shit and aint gold, just a good player who needed to fit into a new team , fans sadly cant be twats at times
Also a manager who believes in him helps, he had clearly lost confidence in Blunderland and needed that rebuilding and it seems that Tone Gerry , Pete et al have done that
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Post by mikeyb99 on Feb 26, 2010 0:09:46 GMT
His performances weren't middle ground though. They were abysmal and he rightfully got barrel loads of criticism. We spent a hell of a lot of money on a midfielder that didn't like tackling and would shy away from the games. The turnaround has been massive though and fair play to him for that. Conna fault the lad for his performances since the Blackburn game. Talk about England though is amusing. All true. He was utter, utter garbage until Blackburn (a) and has steadily improved since - and well done to him - but he more than merited his criticism in the way that he has more than merited his praise. He now looks like the box-to-box midfielder that we were promised when he signed. I think a good few people need to get off their high-horses on this one though. The ludicrous, OTT criticism of Whelan is still continuing and there is still an adamant refusal by some to acknowledge his good performances. It hasn't really sat well with the unfailing praise of Whitehead.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 26, 2010 0:23:19 GMT
His performances weren't middle ground though. They were abysmal and he rightfully got barrel loads of criticism. We spent a hell of a lot of money on a midfielder that didn't like tackling and would shy away from the games. The turnaround has been massive though and fair play to him for that. Conna fault the lad for his performances since the Blackburn game. Talk about England though is amusing. All true. He was utter, utter garbage until Blackburn (a) and has steadily improved since - and well done to him - but he more than merited his criticism in the way that he has more than merited his praise. He now looks like the box-to-box midfielder that we were promised when he signed. I think a good few people need to get off their high-horses on this one though. The ludicrous, OTT criticism of Whelan is still continuing and there is still an adamant refusal by some to acknowledge his good performances. It hasn't really sat well with the unfailing praise of Whitehead. Where mate? I thought Glenn's been getting a lot more praise recently from most quarters. I know i have. I thought he was great last night and only Ryan pipped him for MoM.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Feb 26, 2010 0:27:31 GMT
It's more a case of it being just under the surface beardy. A thread in praise of Glenn got four replies yesterday whereas a thread in (unjust) criticism of him a couple of weeks ago go four pages.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 26, 2010 0:34:10 GMT
It's more a case of it being just under the surface beardy. A thread in praise of Glenn got four replies yesterday whereas a thread in (unjust) criticism of him a couple of weeks ago go four pages. Was i one of the four, i can't remember? If not i can soon make it five no problem. ;D
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Post by mikeyb99 on Feb 26, 2010 0:40:18 GMT
It's more a case of it being just under the surface beardy. A thread in praise of Glenn got four replies yesterday whereas a thread in (unjust) criticism of him a couple of weeks ago go four pages. Was i one of the four, i can't remember? If not i can soon make it five no problem. ;D
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Post by The man from Utch on Feb 26, 2010 1:41:47 GMT
I would put it down to Tony Pulis .
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 26, 2010 1:48:15 GMT
He was given more licence to get forward starting at Blackburn away. Before that he rarely went into the attacking third of the pitch. He has the engione to get box to box and since he's been allowed to really use that energy level and impose himself all over the park he's made a much more visible contribution.
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Post by prestige on Feb 26, 2010 1:58:53 GMT
Lets face it, if Deano learnt how to shoot he would be lethal...
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 26, 2010 2:00:13 GMT
Mmmmm. The one he scored againstc Arsenal he kicked the wrong way really!
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