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Post by BristolMick on Jan 23, 2010 14:21:12 GMT
In todays Sentinel TP says -:
"Against Liverpool last week, people have been a little bit negative in respect of that game, which is wrong"
I thought bang on - until I realised he's talking about us rather than himself!
BM
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Post by alster on Jan 23, 2010 14:36:16 GMT
He probably thought it was a classic footballing extravaganza.
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Post by Beatties Side Boob on Jan 23, 2010 14:38:09 GMT
are you saying people arent negative??
whay not support the team and our fantastic achievement rather than being unrealistic and expecting the world.
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Post by march4 on Jan 23, 2010 14:40:08 GMT
He probably thought it was a classic footballing extravaganza. It was!! |
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Jan 23, 2010 14:40:35 GMT
what annoyed me most about the game were people's comments of...
"Liverpool were there for the taking, if we played like we did against Fulham we'd have murdered them"
these people don't seem to realise that if we played that way then THEY would've murdered US.
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 23, 2010 14:42:15 GMT
are you saying people arent negative?? whay not support the team and our fantastic achievement rather than being unrealistic and expecting the world. What I was alluding to was -The MOST negative person of all last week was Pulis. And yes you are right people shouldn't be unrealistic and expect our manager to play his best players and in their best positions. BM |
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Post by march4 on Jan 23, 2010 14:43:55 GMT
are you saying people arent negative?? whay not support the team and our fantastic achievement rather than being unrealistic and expecting the world. What I was alluding to was -The MOST negative person all last week was Pulis. And yes you are right people shouldn't be unrealistic and expect our manager to play his best players and in their best positions. BM On the other hand Mick, I prayed for 23 years that during my lifetime I would see a Stoke team battle against Liverpool, shot for shot, header for header, tackle for tackle. |
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jan 23, 2010 14:46:09 GMT
He probably thought it was a good point against Liverpool in our 2nd season in the premier league for about 25 years.
Last season peoople would have been jumping for joy with a point against Liverpool. I think Tottenham would have been happy with a point in the week as well.
Why some of our fans suddenly think we are Real Madrid or something I don't know.
Spoilt brats.
I'm chuffed to fucking bits with my football club at the moment. Going into the 4th round of the FA cup with a realistic chance of beating Arsenal and narrowly missing out on signing Van Nistlerooy this week. Let me have a think what we were doing this time 2 seasons ago...
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Post by alster on Jan 23, 2010 14:52:11 GMT
He probably thought it was a good point against Liverpool in our 2nd season in the premier league for about 25 years. Last season peoople would have been jumping for joy with a point against Liverpool. I think Tottenham would have been happy with a point in the week as well. Why some of our fans suddenly think we are Real Madrid or something I don't know. Spoilt brats. I'm chuffed to fucking bits with my football club at the moment. Going into the 4th round of the FA cup with a realistic chance of beating Arsenal and narrowly missing out on signing Van Nistlerooy this week. Let me have a think what we were doing this time 2 seasons ago... Can't argue it was a good point and a point unlike some on here, I'd have taken at the start of the game. Your point accepted, now please accept mine it was a fucking awful performance from both teams. |
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Jan 23, 2010 14:54:38 GMT
He probably thought it was a good point against Liverpool in our 2nd season in the premier league for about 25 years. Last season peoople would have been jumping for joy with a point against Liverpool. I think Tottenham would have been happy with a point in the week as well. Why some of our fans suddenly think we are Real Madrid or something I don't know. Spoilt brats. I'm chuffed to fucking bits with my football club at the moment. Going into the 4th round of the FA cup with a realistic chance of beating Arsenal and narrowly missing out on signing Van Nistlerooy this week. Let me have a think what we were doing this time 2 seasons ago... Can't argue it was a good point and a point unlike some on here, I'd have taken at the start of the game. Your point accepted, now please accept mine it was a fucking awful performance from both teams. that's not a point. that's undeniable fact. |
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Jan 23, 2010 15:09:40 GMT
I thought that you were referring to one of my posts on the subject  It was Benitez's fault all along - as I have explained |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 23, 2010 15:13:21 GMT
On Saturday, the plan was clearly to keep things tight for as long as possible and to see how the game went, given Liverpool's poor recent form. I have no doubt the Pulis would then have hoped to step up and look to win the game and I see nothing wrong with that as a tactic. He clearly worried that Liverpool would start the game in a very positive manner given that they were under huge pressure to win the game. Again that is understandable and would account for his deciision to field a team to keep things tight early on. That left him the option to bring on more attacking players like Fuller, Whelan and Lawrence as the game wore on. As we now know, we suffered THREE injuries which totally disrupted that plan of action and, even though we ended up with Fuller and Lawrence on the pitch early, it was a woeful performance. What people keep neglecting to mention on here is that our so called 'flair players' just didn't perform at all and we created nothing. It's all very well moaning about 'picking his best players' but we spent most of that game with most of our best players on the pitch. Individually and as a team, we played very poorly and, at the end of the day, we should accept that and stop forever looking to blame the manager's tactics whenever we don't manage to win a game. Had the player played at anywhere near their best on Saturday we would have won and NOBODY would be having this discussion.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jan 23, 2010 15:16:11 GMT
On Saturday, the plan was clearly to keep things tight for as long as possible and to see how the game went, given Liverpool's poor recent form. I have no doubt the Pulis would then have hoped to step up and look to win the game and I see nothing wrong with that as a tactic. He clearly worried that Liverpool would start the game in a very positive manner given that they were under huge pressure to win the game. Again that is understandable and would account for his deciision to field a team to keep things tight early on. That left him the option to bring on more attacking players like Fuller, Whelan and Lawrence as the game wore on. As we now know, we suffered THREE injuries which totally disrupted that plan of action and, even though we ended up with Fuller and Lawrence on the pitch early, it was a woeful performance. What people keep neglecting to mention on here is that our so called 'flair players' just didn't perform at all and we created nothing. It's all very well moaning about 'picking his best players' but we spent most of that game with most of our best players on the pitch. Individually and as a team, we played very poorly and, at the end of the day, we should accept that and stop forever looking to blame the manager's tactics whenever we don't manage to win a game. Had the player played at anywhere near their best on Saturday we would have won and NOBODY would be having this discussion. Great post. There was also the fact that Lawrence had a niggling injury all week which was a factor in his team selection. |
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Post by jbstokie on Jan 23, 2010 15:16:39 GMT
I bet you fell off your pedestal laughing when you came up with that one  |
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Post by teflondel on Jan 23, 2010 15:16:54 GMT
Actually I would say benitez was the most negative
pulis - 4x defender 3xDM 1x AM 2x Striker
benitez - 6x defender 2 x DM 1 x AM 1x striker
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Jan 23, 2010 15:45:49 GMT
I bet you fell off your pedestal laughing when you came up with that one Moi?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2010 15:47:04 GMT
what annoyed me most about the game were people's comments of... "Liverpool were there for the taking, if we played like we did against Fulham we'd have murdered them" these people don't seem to realise that if we played that way then THEY would've murdered US. Would they bollocks. |
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Post by eddy_under_fire'sviews on Jan 23, 2010 15:56:43 GMT
is it just me that thinks that part of the way we play well is by making good teams look poor??
don't get me wrong, we weren't particularly good, but the fact that we made liverpool (lets not forget who are a good side) look so shite, i think that says something about the way we played.
Tony knows that stifling the opposition is one of the keys to winning a football game, and most people on here who believe we should have spanked them are clearly fucking delusional. get a grip.
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Post by fromafar07 on Jan 23, 2010 15:58:41 GMT
In todays Sentinel TP says -: "Against Liverpool last week, people have been a little bit negative in respect of that game, which is wrong" I thought bang on - until I realised he's talking about us rather than himself! BM and that's where his short coming lies !! he believs that just because we played Liverpool, we didnt deserve to beat them and that a draw was all we deserved to get !! he subscribes completely in the football commandment "thou shall not beat any top 4 team" ! |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 23, 2010 15:59:07 GMT
rob: I agree with that but when people say "We'd have beaten tham if we played like we did against Fulham" I think that's a stupid point of view. For one thing, we played THAT WAY against Fulham because they were Fulham and not Liverpool. I don't mean by that, that I have any less respect for Fulham but they are an 'open' footballing team that you can get at when you play well. Liverpool came with a very defensive set up and a determination to not get beat and, despite their missing stars, the players they had out on the pitch were all (on the face of it) quality player. I know it didn't work out that way and some of them looked shite but Pulis doesn't send his team out under the assumption that the opposition players will play wank. It was a terrible game and there's no getting away from that, but the balance (for me) falls more on the side of players performing badly than on tactical decisions. I wasn't happy with the team selection but nonetheless, I think they could easily have won had they performed at anywhere near their best.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2010 15:59:29 GMT
is it just me that thinks that part of the way we play well is by making good teams look poor?? don't get me wrong, we weren't particularly good, but the fact that we made liverpool (lets not forget who are a good side) look so shite, i think that says something about the way we played. Tony knows that stifling the opposition is one of the keys to winning a football game, and most people on here who believe we should have spanked them are clearly fucking delusional. get a grip. Reading made them look similarly shite days earlier. Pompey made them look shite just before Christmas. |
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Post by Davef on Jan 23, 2010 16:04:56 GMT
these people don't seem to realise that if we played that way then THEY would've murdered US. That's as ridiculous a comment as those expecting us to beat Liverpool easily. Did you watch N'Gog's performance? |
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Post by fromafar07 on Jan 23, 2010 16:06:45 GMT
these people don't seem to realise that if we played that way then THEY would've murdered US. That's as ridiculous a comment as those expecting us to beat Liverpool easily. doubt very seriously anyone was expecting us to beat Liverpool EASILY, but a bit of imagination, some attacking could have seen us a 2-1 winner instead of the crap we got ! |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 23, 2010 16:13:34 GMT
That would have hapenned IMO faf IF our players had performed at their best. Most people's biggest 'gripes' have been Delap on the right, Mama in the side and the absence of Fuller. Well early on in the Liverpool game all three were addressed and STILL we were wank. That can't ALL be the fault of Pulis team selection now can it? Let's just face the fact that Liverpool were even less adventerous than us and picked an even more negative team than us and we couldn't create anything against them. It was crap but we got a decent point - now lets move on eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2010 16:25:08 GMT
rob: I agree with that but when people say "We'd have beaten tham if we played like we did against Fulham" I think that's a stupid point of view. For one thing, we played THAT WAY against Fulham because they were Fulham and not Liverpool. I don't mean by that, that I have any less respect for Fulham but they are an 'open' footballing team that you can get at when you play well. Liverpool came with a very defensive set up and a determination to not get beat and, despite their missing stars, the players they had out on the pitch were all (on the face of it) quality player. I know it didn't work out that way and some of them looked shite but Pulis doesn't send his team out under the assumption that the opposition players will play wank. It was a terrible game and there's no getting away from that, but the balance (for me) falls more on the side of players performing badly than on tactical decisions. I wasn't happy with the team selection but nonetheless, I think they could easily have won had they performed at anywhere near their best. Doz: Do you really think the eleven players that Liverpool put out were massively better than the one Fulham put out? |
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Post by boweryboy on Jan 23, 2010 16:41:03 GMT
and in that same artical Pulis says that the same team went out and beat Spurs a few days later.......there with the bullshit again Tony......oh no it didn't,Riera and Aqualini played against Spurs with Kuyt playing up front instead of the useless Ngog...thats the real truth Tony so stop trying to big up that shit performance against the worst Liverpool side i have ever seen for a long long time.......and i go back a bit......
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Jan 23, 2010 16:46:34 GMT
Does himself no favours does he?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2010 16:48:42 GMT
The only negative was Pulis' tactics! |
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Post by Davef on Jan 23, 2010 16:51:28 GMT
That would have hapenned IMO faf IF our players had performed at their best. Most people's biggest 'gripes' have been Delap on the right, Mama in the side and the absence of Fuller. Well early on in the Liverpool game all three were addressed and STILL we were wank. That can't ALL be the fault of Pulis team selection now can it? Let's just face the fact that Liverpool were even less adventerous than us and picked an even more negative team than us and we couldn't create anything against them. It was crap but we got a decent point - now lets move on eh? It's too easy to say that those gripes were addressed by substitutions. That argument ignores how the team was prepared in the days leading up to the game and what the game plan was. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 23, 2010 17:02:02 GMT
Rob: No I don't mate but I think Pulis will have approached the Liverpool game differently because of the circumstances. Liverpool came to Stoke with universal criticism ringing in their ears and it was a very, very important game for them. I admit that I expected them to be totally fired up and I feared a backlash in that game. In truth, they bottled it big time and picked an ultra-defensive team and put two players on Etherington alone. had our players performed to their capabilities, I think we would have won the game. As it happens both Stoke's players and Liverpool's were awful and the game was played almost entirely in the middle third of the pitch. It was a classic case of two very defensive teams cancelling each other out. Having said that we had Lawrence, Etherington, Fuller on the pitch and STILL created nothing. Very poor by all concerned, and I include Benitez and Pulis but it's not the dire crime that many on here are making out. A point won in the end and hopefully on to better things.
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