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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2010 22:36:00 GMT
I've had a go too at him before about this
I can remember being highly critical about Pulis and his handling of our talented Belgian fullback (Hoefkins) a year or two ago
I even thought he should be sacked then too !
BUT
bringing forward to time now
Our Belgian hero is all but gone from the game - unknown - non league even ? (happy to be corrected)
whilst we are in the premier league !
Probably still our most talented player (FULLER) is also the most wayward (he's a Jamaican and having been there 3 - maybe 4 times-that explains it all to me) - and hes still with us and the forward prognosis is looking good again.
Now we come to Beatts - an absolute hero last season - an unfortunate falling out this one -seems out of sorts and could go - but also, only one goal off being hero all over again.
and Finally Tuncay - the obvious public side of his man managment by 'supertone' early days, was frankly excruciating to watch and, we all screamed in frustration when he put him on against Hull -then took him off in a losing game
But now look at Tuncay - the world beater - running round like a man possessed, socring goals even and , fit as a butchers dog (pretty much)
an out an out hero
Take Ethers too - more or less 'run out of town' for gambling debts - look at him go now too !
and Ryan - our biggest young talent in years - being handled in exemplary fashion to date
The only 'loose end' I can Presently see is Dave Kitson (looks to have been harshly treated) but, where exactly lies the blame for that one ?
I could go on but,
I have to say, taking a broader view, our manager more than seems to actually know what hes doing in terms of man management (and continues to learn)
SO I CONCLUDE
I myself wouldn't like to see Beatts go but, if he does - it will only be for the benefit of stoke city
of that - we can all be pretty confident !
lets see
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Post by harrypotter07 on Jan 8, 2010 22:41:56 GMT
I've had a go too at him before about this I can remember being highly critical about Pulis and his handling of our talented Belgian fullback (Hoefkins) a year or two ago I even thought he should be sacked then too ! BUT bringing forward to time now Our Belgian hero is all but gone from the game - unknown - non league even ? (happy to be corrected) whilst we are in the premier league ! Probably still our most talented player (FULLER) is also the most wayward (he's a Jamaican and having been there 3 - maybe 4 times-that explains it all to me) - and hes still with us and the forward prognosis is looking good again. Now we come to Beatts - an absolute hero last season - an unfortunate falling out this one -seems out of sorts and could go - but also, only one goal off being hero all over again. and Finally Tuncay - the obvious public side of his man managment by 'supertone' early days, was frankly excruciating to watch and, we all screamed in frustration when he put him on against Hull -then took him off in a losing game But now look at Tuncay - the world beater - running round like a man possessed, socring goals even and , fit as a butchers dog (pretty much) an out an out hero Take Ethers too - more or less 'run out of town' for gambling debts - look at him go now too ! and Ryan - our biggest young talent in years - being handled in exemplary fashion to date The only 'loose end' I can Presently see is Dave Kitson (looks to have been harshly treated) but, where exactly lies the blame for that one ? I could go on but, I have to say, taking a broader view, our manager more than seems to actually know what hes doing in terms of man management (and continues to learn) SO I CONCLUDE I myself wouldn't like to see Beatts go but, if he does - it will only be for the benefit of stoke city of that - we can all be pretty confident ! lets see Best thing Ive read all week. Couldn't agree more. Kudos. |
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Post by Gods on Jan 8, 2010 22:49:42 GMT
Most of all TP has done an awesome job managing Peter Coates.
Coates trusts TP with his money in a way that he has never trusted anyone before and that is the biggest single factor in our success.
I mean Coates even let TP buy Tuncay AFTER he'd pissed £5m up the wall on Kitson and one or two others besides - now that's what I call man management !
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Post by stayingupfor drmagicdiao on Jan 8, 2010 22:49:53 GMT
... are spot on!
A hard, pig headed, thick skinned, couldn't give a shit what people think of them wins every time for me versus a soft cuddly, let's hear what everyone else's opinion is ...
well it might not work in every management job, but with overpaid, indulgent professional footballers, the old school style is the best way. Ferguson, Wenger, O'Neill (schooled by Clough) - different in their own ways, but they are the boss and won't put up with any crap otherwise.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 8, 2010 22:50:51 GMT
The Belgian is playing for Club Brugge in the UEFA Cup!  edit-he wouldn't get into our team though imo. |
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Post by lordb on Jan 8, 2010 22:55:07 GMT
TP imho has got better over the years in this aspect,possibly as he is (a little bit anyway) calmer than before.
TP's management of Fuller has been sublime.
we got him cheap partly because of his knee problems (& we may have got lucky there maybe?) & partly because he's aproblem with his tardiness,suspensions & stuff.
a lot/most managers would have got nowhere near the levls of performance out of Ric that TP has.
right now we have massive squad & that must make the man -management side very difficult
it wont do any harm to see a good number of the fringe players leave
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2010 22:55:57 GMT
There ya go - I AM happy to be corrected -(I always liked Hoofers)
mind you - no one can deny -leaving us for West Brom
definitely a backward step !
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 8, 2010 22:58:51 GMT
Not really. He won the league, got paid more money and is now playing in the UEFA Cup. If he had stayed with us, he'd probably be at West Brom or someone similar now and that would be a backwards step.  |
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jan 8, 2010 23:49:34 GMT
The Belgian is playing for Club Brugge in the UEFA Cup! edit-he wouldn't get into our team though imo. Belgian Football Vs English Premier League Football. No comparison really. SGT |
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Post by smithy27 on Jan 9, 2010 0:06:50 GMT
TP is a great manager and has done brilliant job for Stoke.My only critiscm is that i think Tuncay would have performed as well from day 1 had he been given the chance as he does now and if he had been in the side i think we would have more points than we have got
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Post by tazi on Jan 9, 2010 12:32:22 GMT
Hoefkens was fookin awful but at least i suppose he got rid of alot of built up testoterone for a few posters on here.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 9, 2010 12:57:10 GMT
Hoefkens was an excellent player at championship level and was easily good enough for us there and then.
He would not be good enough three years down the line with the club having moved on and up.
To try and use this as an example of great man management is clearly a out of context nonesense.
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Post by werrington on Jan 9, 2010 13:00:03 GMT
Hoefkens was fookin awful but at least i suppose he got rid of alot of built up testoterone for a few posters on here. Thats it mate...toe the party line ;D.....If Tone signed Messi and said he was not the complete winger the usual few would rally round to justify it...IMHO |
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Post by tazi on Jan 9, 2010 13:05:05 GMT
Hoefkens was an excellent player at championship level and was easily good enough for us there and then. He would not be good enough three years down the line with the club having moved on and up. To try and use this as an example of great man management is clearly a out of context nonesense. Couldn't defend save his life, much prefer Danny Collins there if i'm honest, and he's proving to be a load of toss. |
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Post by tazi on Jan 9, 2010 13:05:52 GMT
Hoefkens was fookin awful but at least i suppose he got rid of alot of built up testoterone for a few posters on here. Thats it mate...toe the party line ;D.....If Tone signed Messi and said he was not the complete winger the usual few would rally round to justify it...IMHO He was shite mate, lets be honest here. |
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Post by werrington on Jan 9, 2010 13:08:12 GMT
He wasn;t mate...and i am being honest!!...A scapegoat..yes!! shit??...nah
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Post by tazi on Jan 9, 2010 13:10:23 GMT
He wasn;t mate...and i am being honest!!...A scapegoat..yes!! shit??...nah Yes, he's really gone on and proved that he was indeed a so called scapegoat now hasn't he?. |
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Post by PickSCFC on Jan 9, 2010 13:11:30 GMT
i always thought hoefkens was wank at defending in the champ so he wouldnt make it in the prem
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Post by werrington on Jan 9, 2010 13:16:11 GMT
When he played for us mate TP used to take every opportunity on Radio Stoke to blame him for any goal scored against us?....When any of his favourites caused a cock up he would use the same forum to wax lyrical about their performance??...He still does it now mate....rightly or wrongly
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Post by PickSCFC on Jan 9, 2010 13:18:15 GMT
hoefkens=wank defender, end of thread
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Post by tazi on Jan 9, 2010 13:18:51 GMT
When he played for us mate TP used to take every opportunity on Radio Stoke to blame him for any goal scored against us?....When any of his favourites caused a cock up he would use the same forum to wax lyrical about their performance??...He still does it now mate....rightly or wrongly Not just any goal mate, he got wrongly blamed for his own fuck-ups. He was shite and continued to be shite after TP had rightly fucked him off. |
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Post by tazi on Jan 9, 2010 13:19:39 GMT
hoefkens=wank defender, end of thread Kaput.................................understood?.................... ;D |
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Post by wuzza on Jan 9, 2010 13:39:35 GMT
The main people to blame were those supporters who built up Hoefkens into some sort of demi-god. Its wasnt that he was that good (he was ok as long as defending wasnt particularly on the agenda) he was just a stick they could beat TP with. The same worthy few, and there's a couple of good examples on this thread, have been doing the same ever since.
Until the rest of us learn to accept that they know far better whats good for SCFC than TP it will continue to happen over every team selection made !
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2010 13:49:24 GMT
The main people to blame were those supporters who built up Hoefkens into some sort of demi-god. Its wasnt that he was that good (he was ok as long as defending wasnt particularly on the agenda) he was just a stick they could beat TP with. The same worthy few, and there's a couple of good examples on this thread, have been doing the same ever since. Until the rest of us learn to accept that they know far better whats good for SCFC than TP it will continue to happen over every team selection made ! Excellent post mate. At the time a few people seemed to be supporting Carl Hoefkens FC not Stoke City. They'll deny it now of course but some of us have good memories.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2010 17:13:09 GMT
So strange how this metamorphosised into a thread about Carl Hoefkins
?????
I was trying to say, At the time and, in that division, I felt he was treated unfairly (by Pulis)
My overall point being: perhaps that Pulis IS actually learning by experience and by making SOME mistakes ?
ps
'out of context nonsense' ? - try reading it again
Mark of Woolstanton (wink)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2010 17:39:29 GMT
The point for me is that he acts like every other football manager on earth. He makes decisions which appear strange, he has favourites and some players appear to be treated harshly. He can be brutal, like he was with Simmo, he can annoy you to death like his pointles crusade to replace Wilko, yet how anyone can say he acts differently to most other managers is beyond me.
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Post by RAF on Jan 9, 2010 17:44:50 GMT
Pisser from the bloke who rated Buxton highly.
Now there is someone who was and is fucking shit and will never play in Europe aslong as he has a hole in his fucking arse.
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Post by boweryboy on Jan 9, 2010 17:45:22 GMT
Hoefkins was voted player of the year by the FANS,and then in came Pulis who had a go at him at every opportunity,sticking him on the bench after he had been on international duty saying he is tired,and hes got little kiddies.Pulis didn't bring him in and he was a fans favourite at the time,that was the problem Pulis had got.just look at some of the shit Pulis has brought to the club and has stuck by them or made excuses for them and one even went to jail,to which Pulis said we all make mistakes....yes and you have made some expensive ones of late.......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2010 17:47:19 GMT
Hoefkins was voted player of the year by the FANS,and then in came Pulis who had a go at him at every opportunity,sticking him on the bench after he had been on international duty saying he is tired,and hes got little kiddies.Pulis didn't bring him in and he was a fans favourite at the time,that was the problem Pulis had got.just look at some of the shit Pulis has brought to the club and has stuck by them or made excuses for them and one even went to jail,to which Pulis said we all make mistakes....yes and you have made some expensive ones of late....... All that's true but at the end of the day it's small potatoes and massively irrelevant given where he's taken us. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2010 17:51:57 GMT
Yes but my point was - Pulis IS improving and, learning all the time !
and
IF he went to Headbutt Beattie he can only have really pissed him off
'fair dos' really
the sort of think Shanks / Revie or Clough senior might have done behind closed doors
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