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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2010 13:28:42 GMT
They've ballsed this one up. My ticket will be 2 quid more than expected so like a fool I'll be there.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 6, 2010 13:34:12 GMT
Must be on me own but £25 is fine by me - should be a sell out easily. Besides it is a business and a full house plus TV money should bank at least £500k Nail on head Matt. It's a business. 27,000 @ 15 pounds per head = 405,000 pounds 23,000 (the min I reckon we'll get) @ 30 pounds per head = 690,00 pounds
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Post by DannyStokie on Jan 6, 2010 13:34:43 GMT
I'm doubting whether I'll be going. I allready pay enough for the season ticket and then all the away games, I don't think I can really afford this.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 6, 2010 13:38:00 GMT
What's the difference in a few quid guys? Stoke have now become a 'big' club and are operating in a much different financial environment than a few years ago when we were watching the team struggle against the likes of Telford and Nuneaton in this competition. Back then, I dare say that most of us would have paid almost anything to watch our team play against (and potentially beat) one of the best teams in Europe in the fourth round of the FA Cup. Agreed, we'd all like to pay less but given that we want better players with all that goes with it in terms of wages etc. we really can't have it both ways, can we? The "difference" could and should have been about £10 for an adult. Quite a significant figure if you're on a low income and want to take your kids to the match with you (given it could have been a rare opportunity to do that). Once again the lack of imagination, compassion and forward thinking at our football club amazes me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2010 13:39:22 GMT
Must be on me own but £25 is fine by me - should be a sell out easily. Besides it is a business and a full house plus TV money should bank at least £500k Nail on head Matt. It's a business. 27,000 @ 15 pounds per head = 405,000 pounds 23,000 (the min I reckon we'll get) @ 30 pounds per head = 690,00 pounds Do You think we'll get that many with it being on tv? I must admit I'm not very tempted and at the minute going to watch Stoke is the only bloody pleasure I get in life at the minute. ;D
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 6, 2010 13:45:51 GMT
The "difference" could and should have been about £10 for an adult. Quite a significant figure if you're on a low income and want to take your kids to the match with you (given it could have been a rare opportunity to do that). Once again the lack of imagination, compassion and forward thinking at our football club amazes me. I really disagree Titan. Through a bit of imagination and forward thinking the club have managed to keep our attendance figures close to maximum for the Wigan, Brum and Fulham games even though the away followings have been dire. Scholes's job is to maximise revenue for the club and he's decided on the match day prices for the Arsenal Cup entirely based on that criteria. Maybe what we should really do is ask all of our playing staff (and the ones we are trying to attract this window) to take a reduction in wages, so that people on low incomes aren't priced out of attending? It's a harsh reality I know ... but the club are trying to run a business here.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 6, 2010 13:49:14 GMT
Nail on head Matt. It's a business. 27,000 @ 15 pounds per head = 405,000 pounds 23,000 (the min I reckon we'll get) @ 30 pounds per head = 690,00 pounds Do You think we'll get that many with it being on tv? I must admit I'm not very tempted and at the minute going to watch Stoke is the only bloody pleasure I get in life at the minute. ;D I guess the point is bayern ... that we'll have to get less than 13,500 at those prices for the club to have fooked up on charging 15 quid as a guaranteed sell out. And we won't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2010 13:53:42 GMT
Do You think we'll get that many with it being on tv? I must admit I'm not very tempted and at the minute going to watch Stoke is the only bloody pleasure I get in life at the minute. ;D I guess the point is bayern ... that we'll have to get less than 13,500 at those prices for the club to have fooked up on charging 15 quid as a guaranteed sell out. And we won't. But anything less than 20k for this (which I think is achievable) would look shite despite the money aspect. Even the bloke who sits behind me who goes most away games and was at York was thinking about giving it a miss and that was even before the ticket prices came out. I was expecting £25, where I sit is £27 so it's not that bad but I still think £20 would have been a nice gesture in such financially difficult times for the fans.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 6, 2010 13:54:12 GMT
The "difference" could and should have been about £10 for an adult. Quite a significant figure if you're on a low income and want to take your kids to the match with you (given it could have been a rare opportunity to do that). Once again the lack of imagination, compassion and forward thinking at our football club amazes me. I really disagree Titan. Through a bit of imagination and forward thinking the club have managed to keep our attendance figures close to maximum for the Wigan, Brum and Fulham games even though the away followings have been dire. Scholes's job is to maximise revenue for the club and he's decided on the match day prices for the Arsenal Cup entirely based on that criteria. Maybe what we should really do is ask all of our playing staff (and the ones we are trying to attract this window) to take a reduction in wages, so that people on low incomes aren't priced out of attending? It's a harsh reality I know ... but the club are trying to run a business here. Entirely agree with your comments about maximising revenue etc. but that will only apply if we get a full house and I don't think we will. 15k x £25 or 25k x £15 The game's on TV and the pulling power of a second-string Arsenal might not have the same attraction. Plus it's the FA Cup. It could have been a good opportunity to open up a game to newbies and kids in my opinion. Of course all this is nonsense if Stoke had approached the Arse about a reduction and they turned it down. Quite possible.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 6, 2010 14:02:41 GMT
Entirely agree with your comments about maximising revenue etc. but that will only apply if we get a full house and I don't think we will. It doesn't have to though. 15,000 @ 30 quid generates more income than a full house at 15 quid. I think Scholes has consistantly proved that he knows how to maximise revenue when setting ticket prices ... I'll be amazed if he fooks this one up.
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Post by tenerifedave on Jan 6, 2010 14:06:06 GMT
Really think we're gonna do them over so dont think I can miss a chance to see us piss off Wenger!!!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 6, 2010 14:09:07 GMT
I guess the point is bayern ... that we'll have to get less than 13,500 at those prices for the club to have fooked up on charging 15 quid as a guaranteed sell out. And we won't. But anything less than 20k for this (which I think is achievable) would look shite despite the money aspect. Even the bloke who sits behind me who goes most away games and was at York was thinking about giving it a miss and that was even before the ticket prices came out. I was expecting £25, where I sit is £27 so it's not that bad but I still think £20 would have been a nice gesture in such financially difficult times for the fans. It might look shit bayern but at the end of the day it's about money ... period. The Seddon will be pretty full and it'll be the ends of the upper and lower tiers of the John Smiths that'll have the biggest gaps - which you can't see on the telly anyway. I still think we'll easily sell more than 20,000 tickets - you can remind me of this post if we don't!
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 6, 2010 14:11:52 GMT
Entirely agree with your comments about maximising revenue etc. but that will only apply if we get a full house and I don't think we will. It doesn't have to though. 15,000 @ 30 quid generates more income than a full house at 15 quid. I think Scholes has consistantly proved that he knows how to maximise revenue when setting ticket prices ... I'll be amazed if he fooks this one up. To be honest I think you're splitting hairs a touch with your figures. Even the figures that you have cited only give a difference of £38,000. Just seems a lost opportunity to show some compassion and/or increase our fanbase.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2010 14:13:30 GMT
But anything less than 20k for this (which I think is achievable) would look shite despite the money aspect. Even the bloke who sits behind me who goes most away games and was at York was thinking about giving it a miss and that was even before the ticket prices came out. I was expecting £25, where I sit is £27 so it's not that bad but I still think £20 would have been a nice gesture in such financially difficult times for the fans. It might look shit bayern but at the end of the day it's about money ... period. The Seddon will be pretty full and it'll be the ends of the upper and lower tiers of the John Smiths that'll have the biggest gaps - which you can't see on the telly anyway. I still think we'll easily sell more than 20,000 tickets - you can remind me of this post if we don't! I really aren't sure we will. My mindset and hearing the bloke behind me make me think otherwise. I'm the sort who doesn't want to miss a home game but this really hasn't got the imagination going and it's solely for the reason of the hit I will take in my pocket. High prices+potential weather+being tv=low crowd in my mind.
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Post by stokiefromalad on Jan 6, 2010 14:19:41 GMT
Stop yer moaning. £25 to watch a cup-tie againsta top team is cheap even if its on telly. The reason it seems high is because season ticket holders like myself get a bloody good deal on the other 19 league games. how many of you whinging paid the £100+ for the days out at Tottenham and Arsenal? You all go on about Coates putting his hand in his pockets to see these top players, Where do you as fans fit into this? Its not just his money that should be used to buy these players who will improve the club.
Either put up or watch it on telly, simple really. Stop yer whinging.
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Post by Teddler Stokie Born and Bred on Jan 6, 2010 14:21:49 GMT
Still imagine there will be more than 10,000 stoke fans there for this match.. did someone say "fair-weather"? ;-) this will sell out i'm pretty sure. all the closet stokies will be out in force to try and get on the telly. a bit like the dopie stokie that fell down the hill on national T.V last night
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Post by jorgieporgy on Jan 6, 2010 14:31:02 GMT
Oh well £25 at home is a lot cheaper than an away match incl extra travel and more chance of winning . So what if it is Arsenal reserves (which I doubt). I hope it is their reserves and we give them a good old roasting – Wemberlee here we come.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 6, 2010 14:31:22 GMT
It might look shit bayern but at the end of the day it's about money ... period. The Seddon will be pretty full and it'll be the ends of the upper and lower tiers of the John Smiths that'll have the biggest gaps - which you can't see on the telly anyway. I still think we'll easily sell more than 20,000 tickets - you can remind me of this post if we don't! I really aren't sure we will. My mindset and hearing the bloke behind me make me think otherwise. I'm the sort who doesn't want to miss a home game but this really hasn't got the imagination going and it's solely for the reason of the hit I will take in my pocket. High prices+potential weather+being tv=low crowd in my mind. Agree. As an example ... there are four season ticket holders at my works, none of them will be going.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2010 14:40:20 GMT
I'm still going, don't get me wrong! It's been brilliant for games these past few weeks and in the next few. It's the FA Youth Cup next week as well I think. I hope it's on and people turn up. The Youth team looked good when I went to watch them. Football heaven.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 6, 2010 14:48:35 GMT
I'm still going, don't get me wrong! It's been brilliant for games these past few weeks and in the next few. It's the FA Youth Cup next week as well I think. I hope it's on and people turn up. The Youth team looked good when I went to watch them. Football heaven. I'm going. It's just the other lightweights I'm debating for.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2010 14:50:52 GMT
I'm still going, don't get me wrong! It's been brilliant for games these past few weeks and in the next few. It's the FA Youth Cup next week as well I think. I hope it's on and people turn up. The Youth team looked good when I went to watch them. Football heaven. I'm going. It's just the other lightweights I'm debating for. Me too! ;D
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Post by Borderline Alky on Jan 6, 2010 14:51:46 GMT
i never usually moan about giving the club my cash be saying we've just gone through the log jam of games over then xmas period, and forked out for xmas its self, that price is abit steep, i just wish i could say no i'm going protest but i just cant resist, mum's going be pissed at no bday present though!
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Post by staffordstokiemad on Jan 6, 2010 14:51:53 GMT
I think that £30 is good considering we will be playing Arsenal. I think there will be about 25,000 there. Hopefully including me and my Dad.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 6, 2010 14:55:52 GMT
Your Scholes 'love in' on this thread is touching Paul, I had to fight back a tear at one stage but the prospect of 8000 empty seats in front of 3 or 4 million people on 'normal' tele, whilst a few thousand Stoke fans sit at home wishing they could be there during the hardest financial month of the year doesn't seem too 'imaginative' to me.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 6, 2010 14:57:27 GMT
Like Paul says, it is Scholes's job to maximise revenue for home matches in the cups and he has to agree any prices with the opposing clubs who get 40% of receipts and they will want to maximise revenue as well. This game is categoryB which is a category lower than what it would have been if it had been a league match. The chances are that Scholes will have got it about right. If the attendance is 20k or more then he will have been proved right.
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Post by werrington on Jan 6, 2010 14:58:41 GMT
Your Scholes 'love in' on this thread is touching Paul, I had to fight back a tear at one stage but the prospect of 8000 empty seats in front of 3 or 4 million people on 'normal' tele, whilst a few thousand Stoke fans sit at home wishing they could be there during the hardest financial month of the year doesn't seem too 'imaginative' to me. ..i agree with Momo
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Post by stoke247 on Jan 6, 2010 15:41:59 GMT
as a season ticket holder and travelled to 8 away matches this season you can fuckin shuv it stoke at 30 quid, i hope it backfires on yer, i''ll watch it on me telly
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 6, 2010 15:44:16 GMT
It doesn't have to though. 15,000 @ 30 quid generates more income than a full house at 15 quid. I think Scholes has consistantly proved that he knows how to maximise revenue when setting ticket prices ... I'll be amazed if he fooks this one up. To be honest I think you're splitting hairs a touch with your figures. Even the figures that you have cited only give a difference of £38,000. Just seems a lost opportunity to show some compassion and/or increase our fanbase. With respect Titan I'm not. The ridiculously low figure of 15,000 was used to demonstrate that even then, we would still be earning more than from a 15 quid sell out . I've repeatedly said (thoughout the thread) that I expect there will be more than 20,000 in attendance which will result in a significant difference in revenue.
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Post by markscfc72 on Jan 6, 2010 15:45:21 GMT
The rule is that the club has to charge what it would normally charge for a league game unless BOTH clubs agree to a reduction. They are charging for a category be game when an Arsenal league game would nromally be a category A game. So, a small reduction must have been agreed although not as big as some fans would like. Arsenal would normally be a* cat B - boothen £25 cat a* boothen £35 www.stokecityfc.com/page/MatchdayPrices/0,,10310,00.html
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 6, 2010 15:50:30 GMT
The rule is that the club has to charge what it would normally charge for a league game unless BOTH clubs agree to a reduction. They are charging for a category be game when an Arsenal league game would nromally be a category A game. So, a small reduction must have been agreed although not as big as some fans would like. Arsenal would normally be a* cat be - boothen £25 cat a* boothen £35 www.stokecityfc.com/page/MatchdayPrices/0,,10310,00.html So it's an even bigger reduction ... which reinforces Lakeland's point even further.
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