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Post by PickSCFC on Dec 26, 2009 23:39:01 GMT
so if we finished 16th you would like to see him sacked? I stand by my comment - would you still feel the same about your's if we just stayed up? as long as we stay in this league this season i dont care where we finish, 17th would be good enough
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Post by PickSCFC on Dec 26, 2009 23:40:19 GMT
charlton fans ''Alan Curbishley has taken us as far as he can its time for a new manager''.................look where they are now, pulis is the best man for the job Correct, it's an absolute disgrace that some supporters want their team to improve, be the best they can and win something. Expectancy is the talk of the devil himself and should be stamped upon at the merest hint. Football supporters should know their place and be thankful for everything they spend their hard earned money on. another sarcastic bell end that knows sweet fuck all about football
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 26, 2009 23:40:36 GMT
now, only because pulis has taken us as far as he will imo, with january here, a good manager out of work and funds to change things. charlton fans ''Alan Curbishley has taken us as far as he can its time for a new manager''.................look where they are now, pulis is the best man for the job Pulis hasn't failed yet, and I don't think he will fail. Anything bar relegation can be painted as a qualified success. But did Curbs spend the £60m that even a modest January window spend will take our 24-month total up to in all his years at Charlton? That kind of spend moves the goalposts a bit.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 26, 2009 23:42:24 GMT
Correct, it's an absolute disgrace that some supporters want their team to improve, be the best they can and win something. Expectancy is the talk of the devil himself and should be stamped upon at the merest hint. Football supporters should know their place and be thankful for everything they spend their hard earned money on. It has to be reasonable expectancy within the context of what is realistic though Pugs. Realistically, mid-table was pretty much the best Charlton could hope for, with maybe an occasional foray into Europe. Perhaps, but all this Charlton/Curbishley talk is all bollocks. The fact is that he had served his time at Charlton. HE HAD taken them as far as he could. Perhaps if the Charlton board would have appointed a decent manager they would be still up in the Premier League. Instead they chose a succession of mediocrity and reaped the rewards.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2009 23:43:57 GMT
It has to be reasonable expectancy within the context of what is realistic though Pugs. Realistically, mid-table was pretty much the best Charlton could hope for, with maybe an occasional foray into Europe. Perhaps, but all this Charlton/Curbishley talk is all bollocks. The fact is that he had served his time at Charlton. HE HAD taken them as far as he could. Perhaps if the Charlton board would have appointed a decent manager they would be still up in the Premier League. Instead they chose a succession of mediocrity and reaped the rewards. I think that's a fair point. I still think that expectation has to be rooted in what's realistic though.
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Dec 26, 2009 23:44:41 GMT
As has been said by a few, if we get relegated and we fail to come straight back up. But I can't see that happening as much as he frustrates me at times.
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Post by 811 on Dec 26, 2009 23:44:47 GMT
charlton fans ''Alan Curbishley has taken us as far as he can its time for a new manager''.................look where they are now, pulis is the best man for the job Pulis hasn't failed yet, and I don't think he will fail. Anything bar relegation can be painted as a qualified success. But did Curbs spend the £60m that even a modest January window spend will take our 24-month total up to in all his years at Charlton? That kind of spend moves the goalposts a bit. thats right, and how much did roy keane spend at sunderland before being classed as not good enough by everyone? and guess what, he got sunderland promoted too.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 26, 2009 23:45:00 GMT
Correct, it's an absolute disgrace that some supporters want their team to improve, be the best they can and win something. Expectancy is the talk of the devil himself and should be stamped upon at the merest hint. Football supporters should know their place and be thankful for everything they spend their hard earned money on. another sarcastic bell end that knows sweet fuck all about football Is that right? Perhaps you could enlighten me?
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Post by PickSCFC on Dec 26, 2009 23:46:23 GMT
another sarcastic bell end that knows sweet fuck all about football Is that right? Perhaps you could enlighten me? perhaps i cant be arsed
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Post by petemac on Dec 26, 2009 23:46:45 GMT
As said before....Our biggest problem this season is the expectation level. We are not safe and should not expect to be
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Post by 811 on Dec 26, 2009 23:49:47 GMT
As said before....Our biggest problem this season is the expectation level. We are not safe and should not expect to be its not, our biggest problem is square pegs in round holes, a stubborn manager, £40m spent and an unbalanced non goalscoring negative team.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2009 23:49:49 GMT
Pulis hasn't failed yet, and I don't think he will fail. Anything bar relegation can be painted as a qualified success. But did Curbs spend the £60m that even a modest January window spend will take our 24-month total up to in all his years at Charlton? That kind of spend moves the goalposts a bit. thats right, and how much did roy keane spend at sunderland before being classed as not good enough by everyone? and guess what, he got sunderland promoted too. Keane finished 3 points off relegation in his first season and Sunderland were in the bottom three when he resigned.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2009 23:50:55 GMT
As said before....Our biggest problem this season is the expectation level. We are not safe and should not expect to be its not, our biggest problem is square pegs in round holes, a stubborn manager, £40m spent and an unbalanced non goalscoring negative team. I thought you said it needed time to build a team from scratch and spend the right money to do so? Wasn't that what you were saying about Mark Hughes?
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 26, 2009 23:51:00 GMT
Is that right? Perhaps you could enlighten me? perhaps i cant be arsed Shame, I was looking forward to learning how Mama Sidibe is a premier league footballer.
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Post by PickSCFC on Dec 26, 2009 23:53:51 GMT
Shame, I was looking forward to learning how Mama Sidibe is a premier league footballer. what the fuck has big mama got to do with it ???
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Post by 811 on Dec 26, 2009 23:54:19 GMT
its not, our biggest problem is square pegs in round holes, a stubborn manager, £40m spent and an unbalanced non goalscoring negative team. I thought you said it needed time to build a team from scratch and spend the right money to do so? Wasn't that what you were saying about Mark Hughes? thing is, when you've seen one tp team, you've seen them all, no matter how much you spend or how long your given, he is so stubborn he'll never change his mentality.
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Post by 811 on Dec 26, 2009 23:56:08 GMT
... or his attributes in a player that he thinks makes a good one.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 26, 2009 23:58:06 GMT
Shame, I was looking forward to learning how Mama Sidibe is a premier league footballer. what the fuck has big mama got to do with it ??? Well I guessed I know fuck all about football as I can't understand how he gets a game in a Premier League side. As an obvious Pulis disciple, perhaps you can tell me.
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Post by henry on Dec 26, 2009 23:58:46 GMT
i'm on at 18/1 (reckon momo be aswell) we have a pretty poor chance of staying up with pulis in charge. its with out doubt the worst footballmyou will ever see in the premier league. goodnight stoke we've had our fun.
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Post by PickSCFC on Dec 27, 2009 0:00:33 GMT
what the fuck has big mama got to do with it ??? Well I guessed I know fuck all about football as I can't understand how he gets a game in a Premier League side. As an obvious Pulis disciple, perhaps you can tell me. you guessed right
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 27, 2009 0:16:25 GMT
With more of the Coates family involved, I am not sure if they will allow a year in the championship before making a decision.
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Post by anarchicalan on Dec 27, 2009 1:10:44 GMT
If we get relegated.
I don't think we will, but that's only because I think there are 6 teams worse than us, not because he'll do well and tactically improve.
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Post by WurstBoy on Dec 27, 2009 5:42:01 GMT
Well I guessed I know fuck all about football as I can't understand how he gets a game in a Premier League side. As an obvious Pulis disciple, perhaps you can tell me. you guessed right Andy - why are you even bothering to have this excuse for a discussion with a window rep? He has failed to back up any points with anything other than abuse. If you were having this discussion in the pub any reasonable person would have dropped the nut already and moved on.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Dec 27, 2009 6:25:37 GMT
Relegation would test the relationship between Coates and Pulis, and I think it would be the end of Pulis at Stoke.
However, it won't happen; Tony Pulis do not do relegations ! IF we should get in trouble, he'll be like a fish in water fighting relegation - he's good at that.
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Post by milfman1 on Dec 27, 2009 6:48:11 GMT
the expectations of some stoke fans is so low it is worrying.
we where riding the crest of a wave after last seasons performances on and off the pitch and now some people are happy to stick with pulis if we get relegated and are struggling in the fizzy pop league. we should be moving onto the next level not be prepared to accept failure.
it took us years to get into this league and pulis can not be allowed to stubbornly carry on with the negative dross that we get week in week out, villa being the exception, whilst taking us down
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Post by g0b0ks on Dec 27, 2009 11:01:15 GMT
the expectations of some stoke fans is so low it is worrying. we where riding the crest of a wave after last seasons performances on and off the pitch and now some people are happy to stick with pulis if we get relegated and are struggling in the fizzy pop league. we should be moving onto the next level not be prepared to accept failure. it took us years to get into this league and pulis can not be allowed to stubbornly carry on with the negative dross that we get week in week out, villa being the exception, whilst taking us down Geez, how I wish we still had last years manager.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 27, 2009 11:03:01 GMT
If we were relegated and not in the top 6 of the Championship by this time next season, thats the least he deserves after all he has done for us
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2009 11:10:36 GMT
I say it every game! Win lose or draw! ;D
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Post by boothy on Dec 27, 2009 11:20:49 GMT
If we get relegated this season and end up fighting to stay up in the championship next season, then i'd say that it's time for us to move on. He's an absolute legend imo.. should be remembered for many years to come. I don't think people give him the respect he deserves sometimes on here.. look what he's done for us ffs.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 27, 2009 11:24:56 GMT
We're speaking as fans. It's when you're dealing with cold, hard facts in the boardroom that these decisions are made. We should never forget that we're now a multi-million quid Premiership entity and sentiment should go through the window. Pulis has one important thing going for him: Coates thinks he's the bee's knees. Whether he will be able to play that card to his family if we're looking like we are on our way back down to The Championship is another matter.
The honest answer to the question is that I don't know yet, but I think I will when the time comes. If we continue in our current vein of form and he isn't able to freshen up the side in the transfer window, that may be the time to think seriously about it. Unfortunately, getting rid could be a massive gamble resulting in us being much worse off or better off. What I do know is that now is not the time.
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