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Post by OldStokie on Dec 11, 2009 9:17:47 GMT
**Since Headbuttgate, whoever was to blame, you've conducted yourself in an exemplary way. I watched you on tv last night and thought you handled the situation very well. You are right that these things should be kept in-house and you've done your bit to keep it that way. It's a pity other members of the staff at SCFC haven't followed your excellent example. Your street cred his risen a couple of notches because of your post-headbuttgate behaviour. Now, all you have to do is stop picking your favourites and start sticking round pegs in round holes and we might make a decent manager out of you yet.**  **That's the nearest I'll ever get to becoming a rimmer.  OS. |
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Post by sutekh on Dec 11, 2009 9:23:14 GMT
You forgot to mention his slightly irritating negative approach os |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 9:23:50 GMT
**Since Headbuttgate, whoever was to blame, you've conducted yourself in an exemplary way. I watched you on tv last night and thought you handled the situation very well. You are right that these things should be kept in-house and you've done your bit to keep it that way. It's a pity other members of the staff at SCFC haven't followed your excellent example. Your street cred his risen a couple of notches because of your post-headbuttgate behaviour. Now, all you have to do is stop picking your favourites and start sticking round pegs in round holes and we might make a decent manager out of you yet.** **That's the nearest I'll ever get to becoming a rimmer. OS. Have you been drinking again Mick?? |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 11, 2009 9:29:34 GMT
**Since Headbuttgate, whoever was to blame, you've conducted yourself in an exemplary way. I watched you on tv last night and thought you handled the situation very well. You are right that these things should be kept in-house and you've done your bit to keep it that way. It's a pity other members of the staff at SCFC haven't followed your excellent example. Your street cred his risen a couple of notches because of your post-headbuttgate behaviour. Now, all you have to do is stop picking your favourites and start sticking round pegs in round holes and we might make a decent manager out of you yet.** **That's the nearest I'll ever get to becoming a rimmer. OS. Have you been drinking again Mick?? Marmalade does ferment if left too long on the shelf of the kitchen cupboard. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 11, 2009 9:41:25 GMT
**Since Headbuttgate, whoever was to blame, you've conducted yourself in an exemplary way. I watched you on tv last night and thought you handled the situation very well. You are right that these things should be kept in-house and you've done your bit to keep it that way. It's a pity other members of the staff at SCFC haven't followed your excellent example. Your street cred his risen a couple of notches because of your post-headbuttgate behaviour. Now, all you have to do is stop picking your favourites and start sticking round pegs in round holes and we might make a decent manager out of you yet.** **That's the nearest I'll ever get to becoming a rimmer. OS. I was out on my Christmas lunch yesterday, my head feels like there's a Frenchman living in it and I remember very little after 7pm. Now I find I've been asleep for four months and its April 1st. Don't do booze kids. |
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 11, 2009 9:43:43 GMT
You should have asked for two days off, Victor. OS. |
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Dec 11, 2009 9:51:09 GMT
I though TP's radio and TV interviews yesterday were perfect examples how I would hope a manager would conduct themselves in such a situation.
Totally professional and without any hint of recrimination or reproach.
Roy Keane would do well to take note of how a football manager should behave.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 9:52:45 GMT
I though TP's radio and TV interviews yesterday were perfect examples how I would hope a manager would conduct themselves in such a situation. Totally professional and without any hint of recrimination or reproach. Roy Keane would do well to take note of how a football manager should behave. And Phil Brown. Especially the quotes about “keeping things in-house” and “what happens in the dressing room, stays in the dressing room”. I.E. No on-pitch half-time team talks. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Dec 11, 2009 9:58:51 GMT
No amount of post-rationalisation can justify (allegedly) headbutting one of your own players though can it? Of course you're going to tow the 'in-house' line if you're one of the protagonists. Sweeping it under the carpet and kicking out the troublesome player won't make things all hunky dory. It's not over......
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Post by lew86 on Dec 11, 2009 9:59:38 GMT
I though TP's radio and TV interviews yesterday were perfect examples how I would hope a manager would conduct themselves in such a situation. Totally professional and without any hint of recrimination or reproach. Roy Keane would do well to take note of how a football manager should behave. And Phil Brown. Especially the quotes about “keeping things in-house” and “what happens in the dressing room, stays in the dressing room”. I.E. No on-pitch half-time team talks. Was waiting for that ;D. Whilst your spot on, I think few people realise what a capable manager we have, just think of the contrasts of manager. I'm glad Tone isnt on SSN everyother day with his pink scalf, man bag and giant picture of himself in his office. |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Dec 11, 2009 10:00:56 GMT
I though TP's radio and TV interviews yesterday were perfect examples how I would hope a manager would conduct themselves in such a situation. Totally professional and without any hint of recrimination or reproach. Roy Keane would do well to take note of how a football manager should behave. Roy Keane would do well to take note of how a football manager manages. Mr Red - Phil Brown is the David Brent of football, you wouldn't expect anything else from him ;D |
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Post by lew86 on Dec 11, 2009 10:02:47 GMT
No amount of post-rationalisation can justify (allegedly) headbutting one of your own players though can it? Of course you're going to tow the 'in-house' line if you're one of the protagonists. Sweeping it under the carpet and kicking out the troublesome player won't make things all hunky dory. It's not over...... But where has the "headbutt" information come from? Can you HONESTLY see Tony Pulis headbutting a player over a few drinks and a missunderstanding? People need to stop believing in all these "sources" and just think about it. Add to that had Beattie come into training with a shinner? I think some peolple are adamant that he gets suspended, becuase they are sure "truth" is being brushed over. Its bollocks mate, I think you need to get over it. |
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Post by jen on Dec 11, 2009 10:04:21 GMT
No amount of post-rationalisation can justify (allegedly) headbutting one of your own players though can it? Of course you're going to tow the 'in-house' line if you're one of the protagonists. Sweeping it under the carpet and kicking out the troublesome player won't make things all hunky dory. It's not over...... Just because the club have chosen to deal with the situation behind closed doors and not in the media spotlight doesn't mean it's been "swept under the carpet". We know that Pulis had a meeting with the squad about it and also individually with Beattie, so it's not as if he's turned up on Monday and acted as if nothing happened, is it? I think the club (and Pulis) have handled it very well in the media. Putting Ryan out in the press conference yesterday was a stroke of genius as well (as he wasn't in the dressing room, so couldn't comment). Ryan's interview was superb and shows him to be potentially a great captain (hopefully for Stoke) |
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Post by lew86 on Dec 11, 2009 10:05:50 GMT
No amount of post-rationalisation can justify (allegedly) headbutting one of your own players though can it? Of course you're going to tow the 'in-house' line if you're one of the protagonists. Sweeping it under the carpet and kicking out the troublesome player won't make things all hunky dory. It's not over...... Ryan's interview was superb and shows him to be potentially a great captain (hopefully for Stoke) And for England |
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Post by jen on Dec 11, 2009 10:07:18 GMT
Ryan's interview was superb and shows him to be potentially a great captain (hopefully for Stoke) And for England Absolutely. ;D ;D |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 11, 2009 10:08:42 GMT
No amount of post-rationalisation can justify (allegedly) headbutting one of your own players though can it? Of course you're going to tow the 'in-house' line if you're one of the protagonists. Sweeping it under the carpet and kicking out the troublesome player won't make things all hunky dory. It's not over...... Trouble is Mike (JimmyG) none of us knows what actually happened. Pulis might be guilty as you imply - or he might not. The promise of Monday's day off from training might be a figment of Beatties imagination - or it might not. In the circumstances I think the club was right not to comment officially on what happened and Pulis was right to handle the press conference as he did yesterday. Only time will tell whether Beattie or Pulis feel that it is best if Beattie moves on - for now, a line has been drawn under the affair at least as far as public comment is concerned and personally I am delighted that it has - and I expect a lot of fans will be. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 11, 2009 10:11:02 GMT
You should have asked for two days off, Victor. OS. ;D I did OS and he nutted me!! My normal MO would be to have 'flu' today but a client is taking me to their Christmas luncheon today. When I log on tomorrow, I hope to read of your full rimmer conversion! Is there a link to TP's interview anywhere? |
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Post by jen on Dec 11, 2009 10:14:05 GMT
You should have asked for two days off, Victor. OS. ;D I did OS and he nutted me!! My normal MO would be to have 'flu' today but a client is taking me to their Christmas luncheon today. When I log on tomorrow, I hope to read of your full rimmer conversion! Is there a link to TP's interview anywhere? It's on the BBC website. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/8406989.stm |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 10:15:24 GMT
No amount of post-rationalisation can justify (allegedly) headbutting one of your own players though can it? Of course you're going to tow the 'in-house' line if you're one of the protagonists. Sweeping it under the carpet and kicking out the troublesome player won't make things all hunky dory. It's not over...... I don't think we're "kicking out" anybody are we? What do you suggest we should do Jimmy? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 11, 2009 10:19:05 GMT
;D I did OS and he nutted me!! My normal MO would be to have 'flu' today but a client is taking me to their Christmas luncheon today. When I log on tomorrow, I hope to read of your full rimmer conversion! Is there a link to TP's interview anywhere? It's on the BBC website. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/8406989.stmThank you |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Dec 11, 2009 10:20:39 GMT
Of course he'll want things kept in the dressing room if those things cast him in a less than favourable light.....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 11, 2009 10:21:28 GMT
No amount of post-rationalisation can justify (allegedly) headbutting one of your own players though can it? Of course you're going to tow the 'in-house' line if you're one of the protagonists. Sweeping it under the carpet and kicking out the troublesome player won't make things all hunky dory. It's not over...... I don't think we're "kicking out" anybody are we? What do you suggest we should do Jimmy? I think I kinda know where Jimmy's coming from. Let's say that Pulis DID headbutt Beattie, then can we still say that he's handled the situation with the media well? If he did use violence against him, then he probably hasn't had any choice in how he's dealt with it. Fact of the matter is ... I DON'T KNOW what happened, so I'm going to have to hold back on casting praise or criticism on pretty much any area of this whole episode. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 10:24:11 GMT
I don't think we're "kicking out" anybody are we? What do you suggest we should do Jimmy? I think I kinda know where Jimmy's coming from. Let's say that Pulis DID headbutt Beattie, then can we still say that he's handled the situation with the media well? If he did use violence against him, then he probably hasn't had any choice in how he's dealt with it. Fact of the matter is ... I DON'T KNOW what happened, so I'm going to have to hold back on casting praise or criticism on pretty much any area of this whole episode. I agree with that Paul - you obviously can't go around headbutting your staff and if that's what did happen then it asks some worrying questions about his mindset and man-management (questions raised in a quality blog coming soon ) However, what's happened has happened and I don't really see how else we could have handled the aftermath than by doing what we've done so far. |
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Post by jen on Dec 11, 2009 10:24:31 GMT
Of course he'll want things kept in the dressing room if those things cast him in a less than favourable light..... One of the most impressive things about Pulis in the premiership has been his refusal to play the media game (unlike some other managers :  . He has NEVER slagged off our players in public, there was no media storm after the slapping incident at West Ham, so it's entirely within character, and not just because he's involved this time. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 11, 2009 10:32:57 GMT
Of course he'll want things kept in the dressing room if those things cast him in a less than favourable light..... One of the most impressive things about Pulis in the premiership has been his refusal to play the media game (unlike some other managers : . He has NEVER slagged off our players in public, there was no media storm after the slapping incident at West Ham, so it's entirely within character, and not just because he's involved this time. Jen's right. Because TP is "keeping it in house" you can't draw any conclusion as to whether he is innocent or guilty. In the aftermath of the Fuller/Griffin spat last year Pulis "kept it in house" even though he clearly was not involved. Exactly what each player said and why they did as they did, were never commented on by the club. So, keeping things " in house" is a tried and tested formula which works for Stoke. Why change now? |
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Post by clactonpotter on Dec 11, 2009 11:08:24 GMT
As T.P. has discovered, if you got a good head on your shoulders you can knock anything into shape-even square pegs into round holes.
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Post by realstokebloke on Dec 11, 2009 11:17:11 GMT
Agree with OS in general - not a blind fan of his either - but his stock rose with me yesterday also.
With the "behind closed doors" caveat (i.e. we'll never know now what went on - until BT tells all at Blackburn in January that is ) TP did give an exemplary performance. And, given that he is not a "natural" screen performer anyway, both he and his humility came across as very genuine to me.
Given the closed doors angle, what actually went on of course does not undermine his performance in the short term.
If it transpires that he was 'less than saintly' in towelgate, well then, we know he is a much better actor than we gave him credit for eh?
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Post by smithy27 on Dec 11, 2009 11:28:23 GMT
Iwould like to see how TP reacts if Beattie scores and does a Bullard type celebration and pretends to go round nutting everyone
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Post by realstokebloke on Dec 11, 2009 11:29:40 GMT
Smithy: he has to be on the pitch to do that though.
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Post by jen on Dec 11, 2009 11:34:35 GMT
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. He has NEVER slagged off our players in public, there was no media storm after the slapping incident at West Ham, so it's entirely within character, and not just because he's involved this time. 
