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Post by seasonticketholder on Dec 11, 2009 17:14:55 GMT
he may not be able to score with his feet but he can score with the head and good with knock ons to fuller beatie etc why cant people see that he has just got back from injury hes geting match fit again and he works harder than any other stoke player on that pitch he doesnt stop running
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Post by Mr Rottweiler on Dec 11, 2009 17:16:33 GMT
he works harder than any other stoke player on that pitch he doesnt stop running That old nonsense, eh. Runs around? So fucking what! I could go on the pitch and run around a lot but it doesn't mean I should be there.
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Post by jonnynico on Dec 11, 2009 17:20:14 GMT
why do so many on here call people morons and dicksters and all the rest just because they have an opinion thats not the same as there's ?.
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Post by onebollockbarry on Dec 11, 2009 17:21:05 GMT
Mamma shouldn't get stick and he isn't going to turn around and ask to be dropped as there are better options...
But... He is like Bambi on ice! It's almost cringeworthy when i see him fumble around with the ball.
When Mamma plays we don't play football it's a simple hit and hope to him and he just tries stick his head on it anywhere.
We were considerably better without him, running around a lot doesn't justify a place in the team but we all know he will be a starting regular.
All those who still think he's the best thing since sliced bread are the same supporters who still think we're that mid table Championship side, time move on people.
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Post by GrandStokie on Dec 11, 2009 17:21:47 GMT
Of course Mama had no say in our promotion and he had a terrible start last season as well Absolutely, for that reason alone we should carry on playing him. Never mind the fact that we've got better players now and that - despite the Cult of Mama - he was never that good even in the Championship. Well Tuncay didn't exactly set the world on fire last week did he, but I don't see people calling for his head?
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Post by onebollockbarry on Dec 11, 2009 17:22:39 GMT
why do so many on here call people morons and dicksters and all the rest just because they have an opinion thats not the same as there's ?. Because otherwise it would mean taking part in a sensible debate and they don't have the intelligence to do so, only need walk round Stoke it's self to see the knuckle draggers.
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Post by onebollockbarry on Dec 11, 2009 17:24:15 GMT
Absolutely, for that reason alone we should carry on playing him. Never mind the fact that we've got better players now and that - despite the Cult of Mama - he was never that good even in the Championship. Well Tuncay didn't exactly set the world on fire last week did he, but I don't see people calling for his head? This guy is right, Turkish captain is not a patch on Mamma, I mean I bet he also thinks Whitehead and Delap are integral to our success... Like i said too many people still think we're that mid table Championship side of yester year.
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Post by seasonticketholder on Dec 11, 2009 17:26:31 GMT
what was richard cresswell he was bambi on ice and sidibe is better than tuncay in his way because he knows how play stoke football not middlesbourough
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 11, 2009 17:27:18 GMT
That's not me saying he should be in the starting line-up every week, because I don't think he should be. Ideally, we'd have a version of Mama that scores goals, sort of like Kitson for a few games earlier in the season. I'm fine with a fully-fit Beattie playing there as well, he's an intelligent footballer and that's to our benefit. What I am saying is that the constant 'not good enough' criticism is nothing short of mongy. MD I'm not sure that you can accuse people of being 'mongy' for suggesting that he's 'not good enough' when you yourself don't think he should be a regular starter. I guess you don't think he should start because you yourself don't think he's 'good enough' to do so. I think in the main people are more frustrated with the manager for picking the lad than they are with Sidibe himself, of course people don't always articulate that frustration particularly well but I don't think there's that many people who would argue that he is 'good enough'. There's a difference between not being in the starting line up and not being good enough though Paul. If all fit i wouldn't start him either but i won't start crying if he does as i think he has a role to play and is worthy of a place in the squad. People saying he's "hopeless" and "complete shit" is just ridiculous. As you said, that i totally agree with, "people don't always articulate that frustration particularly well" and for that reason alone "mongy" then becomes a little more apt don't you think? .... if not particularly P.C.
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 11, 2009 17:29:51 GMT
yeh .... next the retardo-vision simplistic morons will be trying to tell you goalkeepers are there to stop balls going in the net" lolz FFS rofl!!!!". Being a striker in the modern game is more complicated than just sticking the ball in the net. Of course it is. They'll be saying Dennis Bergkamp was shit next.
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Post by GrandStokie on Dec 11, 2009 17:32:38 GMT
Well Tuncay didn't exactly set the world on fire last week did he, but I don't see people calling for his head? This guy is right, Turkish captain is not a patch on Mamma, I mean I bet he also thinks Whitehead and Delap are integral to our success... Like i said too many people still think we're that mid table Championship side of yester year. Are you scared to address me or is intellectual conversation not on your scale?
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Post by seasonticketholder on Dec 11, 2009 17:33:04 GMT
at the end of the day people have there own oppinions so let it be and i do agree with beardy200
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 11, 2009 17:58:57 GMT
MD I'm not sure that you can accuse people of being 'mongy' for suggesting that he's 'not good enough' when you yourself don't think he should be a regular starter. I guess you don't think he should start because you yourself don't think he's 'good enough' to do so. I think in the main people are more frustrated with the manager for picking the lad than they are with Sidibe himself, of course people don't always articulate that frustration particularly well but I don't think there's that many people who would argue that he is 'good enough'. There's a difference between not being in the starting line up and not being good enough though Paul. If all fit i wouldn't start him either but i won't start crying if he does as i think he has a role to play and is worthy of a place in the squad. People saying he's "hopeless" and "complete shit" is just ridiculous. As you said, that i totally agree with, "people don't always articulate that frustration particularly well" and for that reason alone "mongy" then becomes a little more apt don't you think? .... if not particularly P.C. MD was calling people 'mongy' for suggesting that Mama wasn't 'good enough', rather than for how they articulated their criticsm though Beardy and I'm sure if you read my response to him again you'll notice it was that point rather than the one that you have made that I was addressing.
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Post by miltonstokie on Dec 11, 2009 17:59:41 GMT
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 11, 2009 18:09:08 GMT
There's a difference between not being in the starting line up and not being good enough though Paul. If all fit i wouldn't start him either but i won't start crying if he does as i think he has a role to play and is worthy of a place in the squad. People saying he's "hopeless" and "complete shit" is just ridiculous. As you said, that i totally agree with, "people don't always articulate that frustration particularly well" and for that reason alone "mongy" then becomes a little more apt don't you think? .... if not particularly P.C. MD was calling people 'mongy' for suggesting that Mama wasn't 'good enough', rather than for how they articulated their criticsm though Beardy and I'm sure if you read my response to him again you'll notice it was that point rather than the one that you have made that I was addressing. I think MD believes he is "good enough" for the "squad" while lots on here think he's barely good enough for the championship and sound like they'd swap him for a Dairylea slice. Those are the ones MD is referring to i'm sure and not just people who think he shouldn't be in the first 11 as he's one of those aswell. Yes it read as a bit contradictory but if you read through the lines and not be so picky i think we both know that's what he meant. He didn't articulate it very well though. What a ****. ;D
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Post by buddyfolly on Dec 11, 2009 18:19:22 GMT
basically hes bloody shit,I dont get this "hes not quite fit" business,if hes not fit he shouldnt be selected lord knows hes bad enough when he is fit.I know we are trying to avoid relegation which is fair enough but when you get tuncay dangled in front of you and you see the lame horse coming on before him then thats what gets my goat,can anyone else not hold a ball up???
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 18:29:53 GMT
why do so many on here call people morons and dicksters and all the rest just because they have an opinion thats not the same as there's ?. Because in several significant cases those opinions are based on overly simplistic ideas which don't stand up to any scrutiny or more often than that on absolutely fuck all.
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Dec 11, 2009 18:46:16 GMT
what was richard cresswell he was bambi on ice and sidibe is better than tuncay in his way because he knows how play stoke football not middlesbourough You've been drinking haven't you ;D
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Dec 11, 2009 19:00:05 GMT
I think that the problem with Mama is that his inclusion in the team frustrates fans because they know that it will lead to the long ball and hope game and try as he always does, he is never going to be the goal machine that we all crave.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 11, 2009 19:02:28 GMT
MD was calling people 'mongy' for suggesting that Mama wasn't 'good enough', rather than for how they articulated their criticsm though Beardy and I'm sure if you read my response to him again you'll notice it was that point rather than the one that you have made that I was addressing. I think MD believes he is "good enough" for the "squad" while lots on here think he's barely good enough for the championship and sound like they'd swap him for a Dairylea slice. Those are the ones MD is referring to i'm sure and not just people who think he shouldn't be in the first 11 as he's one of those aswell. Yes it read as a bit contradictory but if you read through the lines and not be so picky i think we both know that's what he meant. He didn't articulate it very well though. What a ****. ;D I don't think there'd be too much criticism of Mama if it appeared he was just a squad player, however the fact is that he seems to be in more favour with the manager than either Kitson or Tuncay. And if you read between the lines (regardless of how it's been articulated) and not be so picky, then I think you'd know that's what they meant. Indeed that was my original point! ;D
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Post by henry on Dec 11, 2009 19:04:21 GMT
I think MD believes he is "good enough" for the "squad" while lots on here think he's barely good enough for the championship and sound like they'd swap him for a Dairylea slice. Those are the ones MD is referring to i'm sure and not just people who think he shouldn't be in the first 11 as he's one of those aswell. Yes it read as a bit contradictory but if you read through the lines and not be so picky i think we both know that's what he meant. He didn't articulate it very well though. What a ****. ;D I don't think there'd be too much criticism of Mama if it appeared he was just a squad player, however the fact is that he seems to be in more favour with the manager than either Kitson or Tuncay. And if you read between the lines (regardless of how it's been articulated) and not be so picky, then I think you'd know that's what they meant. Indeed that was my original point! ;D do you pair know where "outdoors" is ?
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 11, 2009 19:35:53 GMT
I think MD believes he is "good enough" for the "squad" while lots on here think he's barely good enough for the championship and sound like they'd swap him for a Dairylea slice. Those are the ones MD is referring to i'm sure and not just people who think he shouldn't be in the first 11 as he's one of those aswell. Yes it read as a bit contradictory but if you read through the lines and not be so picky i think we both know that's what he meant. He didn't articulate it very well though. What a ****. ;D I don't think there'd be too much criticism of Mama if it appeared he was just a squad player, however the fact is that he seems to be in more favour with the manager than either Kitson or Tuncay. And if you read between the lines (regardless of how it's been articulated) and not be so picky, then I think you'd know that's what they meant. Indeed that was my original point! ;D Touche ;D Are these people not aware that Kitson isn't here and Fuller and Tuncay can't play together?
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 11, 2009 19:36:39 GMT
I don't think there'd be too much criticism of Mama if it appeared he was just a squad player, however the fact is that he seems to be in more favour with the manager than either Kitson or Tuncay. And if you read between the lines (regardless of how it's been articulated) and not be so picky, then I think you'd know that's what they meant. Indeed that was my original point! ;D do you pair know where "outdoors" is ? Do you know what "Fuck You" means?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 11, 2009 19:38:43 GMT
do you pair know where "outdoors" is ? Do you know what "Fuck You" means? What Beardy said henry!
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Dec 11, 2009 22:02:26 GMT
Mama is easily good enough for Stoke and easily good enough for the Premier League. I honestly believe he gets so much stick because people (so called fans) buy into all this media nonsense that Stoke are unattractive to watch and Stoke are a long ball team. Just because he's a big lad doesn't mean we base our whole style of play around him. We play long ball because our midfield 4 sit too deep, nothing at all to do with Mama. We play just as much long ball when Mama hasn't played. We dont suddenly turn into Real Madrid when Mama isn't playing.
Mama has played and will continue to play a vital role for this team. Fuller (Our best striker by a country mile) has openly said he loves playing alongside Mama purely because Mama takes defenders with him thus freeing up more space for Ric.
All these Tuncay lovers amaze me. The guy was ok at Boro who got relegated. He didnt really set the world alight there did he. I fully appreciate that he needs games under his belt for us to see the best of him, but he looks really lightweight and someone only has to breathe in his direction and he falls over. Kitson dont even get me started on. If he never plays for Stoke again I wont care one bit. His attitude has stunk from day one. Spitting his dummy out and storming off the pitch like a spoilt child whilst the rest of the squad take time to appreciate 3 points and applaud the crowd for being their 12th man.
Mama, chin up lad. You've silenced the critics in the championship and you've silenced the critics last season in the Prem. Your time will come again and all these fickle fans who've been spoonfed too much Real Madrid from their Skybox will eat humble pie.
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Post by GrandStokie on Dec 11, 2009 22:55:34 GMT
Mama is easily good enough for Stoke and easily good enough for the Premier League. I honestly believe he gets so much stick because people (so called fans) buy into all this media nonsense that Stoke are unattractive to watch and Stoke are a long ball team. Just because he's a big lad doesn't mean we base our whole style of play around him. We play long ball because our midfield 4 sit too deep, nothing at all to do with Mama. We play just as much long ball when Mama hasn't played. We dont suddenly turn into Real Madrid when Mama isn't playing. Mama has played and will continue to play a vital role for this team. Fuller (Our best striker by a country mile) has openly said he loves playing alongside Mama purely because Mama takes defenders with him thus freeing up more space for Ric. All these Tuncay lovers amaze me. The guy was ok at Boro who got relegated. He didnt really set the world alight there did he. I fully appreciate that he needs games under his belt for us to see the best of him, but he looks really lightweight and someone only has to breathe in his direction and he falls over. Kitson dont even get me started on. If he never plays for Stoke again I wont care one bit. His attitude has stunk from day one. Spitting his dummy out and storming off the pitch like a spoilt child whilst the rest of the squad take time to appreciate 3 points and applaud the crowd for being their 12th man. Mama, chin up lad. You've silenced the critics in the championship and you've silenced the critics last season in the Prem. Your time will come again and all these fickle fans who've been spoonfed too much Real Madrid from their Skybox will eat humble pie. Long live Mama!! ;D
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Post by MooG on Dec 11, 2009 23:04:39 GMT
The thing is Mamas isn't a young player who is going to get better so I was hoping that as Stoke improved his importance to the team would decrease. So the progression would go: Important member of our Championship team Battering ram to weaken defences before making way Comes off the bench to protect a lead or chase a goal by going long ball Squad player
Instead though he appears to be Plan A with Plan B being somebody else to try to impersonate him
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 11, 2009 23:10:18 GMT
Mama is the past lets move on,just like West Ham have over Ashton!!
We have done well without him hence we don't need him unless we get dropped 2 divisions for Tones head BUTT!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 11, 2009 23:12:53 GMT
MD was calling people 'mongy' for suggesting that Mama wasn't 'good enough', rather than for how they articulated their criticsm though Beardy and I'm sure if you read my response to him again you'll notice it was that point rather than the one that you have made that I was addressing. I think MD believes he is "good enough" for the "squad" while lots on here think he's barely good enough for the championship and sound like they'd swap him for a Dairylea slice. Those are the ones MD is referring to i'm sure and not just people who think he shouldn't be in the first 11 as he's one of those aswell. Yes it read as a bit contradictory but if you read through the lines and not be so picky i think we both know that's what he meant. He didn't articulate it very well though. What a ****. ;D ;D Yes, that's what I was getting at. To be honest, Mama being preferred to Tuncay always seemed pretty straightforward to me, one target man with one tricky striker, so it was never actually a case of Mama being picked ahead of Tuncay. It was like saying Diao is being picked ahead of Tuncay or whatever, different positions. Mama is a good enough player to be in our squad in the Premier League, although ideally we'd have a target man who can score goals in the team (Zigic? Jones?).
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Dec 12, 2009 0:41:33 GMT
Squeekster
Im sick of people saying we did well without him.
We also did bloody well with him so whats your point??
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