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Post by soicowboy2 on Dec 6, 2009 11:19:22 GMT
Despite all the babble above , Wilkinson (who we know in some eyes is beyond criticism) had a chance to get a foot in but Arshavin was too clever for him. No disgrace-Arshavin is a class player and can do that to the best
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Post by Davef on Dec 6, 2009 11:21:02 GMT
How was he the wrong side of Arshavin when he had one eye on the Arsenal player who was hugging their left touchline?
In Fabregas and Arshavin, you're talking about genuine world class players with ability and vision. If Wilko had been dragged inside and Arshavin had had two players on him, Fabregas would've just slipped the ball out to the Arsenal player on the left.
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Post by kingdeano on Dec 6, 2009 11:22:30 GMT
all this its his fault this and his fault that, bloody hell cant people just accept hes just a world class player! with the amount of possession they had we were always going get in behind us, sometimes you hold your hands up and say what a player! if you want be really petty and blame huth then lets blame faye aswell whos been shit all season
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 6, 2009 11:25:41 GMT
I actually think we were a tad unlucky on both goals (although we were a tad lucky not to conceed others.)
The first goal may not have happened without Wilko challenging Arshavin in the manner he did (not that he did a lot wrong) as the attempted tackle actually assisted Arshavin in getting the ball from his left foot onto his right where he opened his shape out well.
The second goal was also a touch unlucky, Huth attempted a challenge and it dropped for Ramsey who exploited the space and took a good early shot. That said I would prefer to see Ryan back and Wilko keep his place.
I do however think it would be a tad harsh to point the finger soley at Huth.
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Post by torquaypotter on Dec 6, 2009 11:27:38 GMT
What is the point of all this "it was huths/wilkos fault we lost to a team with more skill and talent in their squad .Last year we were hammered by this team this year though we lost it was by a smaller score but its not the end of the world you really cannot judge players like this you never know the two named playyers may get us the winning goal and then who else will be talked about ?? thought our keeper played out of his skin today .Was watching it on the pc so roll on next week and 3 pts
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 6, 2009 11:32:22 GMT
I was not too impressed by Huth yesterday either, but on the first goal I thought Faye was at fault just as much. If he had closed down the player with the ball Huth could have come closer to Arseshavin'. I felt there was a lack of understanding between our two central defenders on several occasions during the game. I actually think Ryan is better at communicating with them both! Make him captain permanently!
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Dec 6, 2009 11:44:54 GMT
I thought Faye could have got a foot in for the first but never moved and was slow out for the second but lets give Arshavin a bit of credit eh? Remember how poor Shawcross looked last season for the same fixture
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Post by mik06 on Dec 6, 2009 12:08:18 GMT
Wisemaster, Agree totally about Faye did not react to Arshavin running between him and Huth at all for the first and made no attempt to get back at him, Iam sure if Ryan had played he would have closed both goals down a lot quicker than Faye. Would he have stopped them who knows, but cant see how Wilko has any blame attached as he was watching the wide man and recovered an awful lot of ground to get close to putting Arshavin off if only his massive arse didnt get in the way.
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Post by tom78 on Dec 6, 2009 12:34:07 GMT
If anyone was at fault for the 2nd it was the midfielder (possibly Delap) who allowed Ramsey to go past him easily, leaving him to run straight at our two CBs who had been dragged apart by other forwards they were marking.
That said, Ramsey was a fresh substitute so it's not really fair to criticise our midfield too much for not tracking back in a game where they'd already put a good shift in.
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Post by boweryboy on Dec 6, 2009 15:28:21 GMT
Joe.....nothing to do with being outclassed Huth didn't stay with the runner,he was with him then let him go to drop back in the middle to mark nobody,Wilko tried his best to get to him once Huth had let him go,but just did'nt get there......5 million well spent......not.....
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 6, 2009 15:48:06 GMT
I felt that for all the quality of Arshavin and Fabregas, Huth could have done better. When Arshavin made his run, Abdy pushed up to Fabregas to try to stop him playing the pass. Arshavin made his run around the back of Faye whilst Huth was jogging backwards to his left-central defence 'zone'. For me, Huth should have gone with Arshavin, it seemed a pretty soft goal to concede.
I'll admit that that's from the scratchy footage on the online stream, I'm yet to watch Match of the Day.
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Post by jarhead on Dec 6, 2009 18:07:43 GMT
I dont care who it is or world class or not you follow your man until the danger has gone all Huth did was not follow Arshavin when he was already with him and he scored it could have been phil neville who got a shot off as Huth let him go it really is that simple.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 6, 2009 18:13:58 GMT
I dont care who it is or world class or not you follow your man until the danger has gone all Huth did was not follow Arshavin when he was already with him and he scored it could have been phil neville who got a shot off as Huth let him go it really is that simple. Pretty much, yeah. He just retreated back into a zone that didn't really need covering.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 6, 2009 18:17:45 GMT
Our side cant really cope with quick small players of good quality, thankfully not many sides have them. Huth and Abde both looked pedestrian at times but Arsenal have done that to much better players so nothing really to get too worried about
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Post by jarhead on Dec 6, 2009 18:26:15 GMT
johnny your right but a German international defender coached by Mr Defensive does not follow his man/danger is very poor in my book and against whoever but the basics come first then if real quality does do you then yeh you hold your hands up, like you say they have done it to better teams then us.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 6, 2009 18:29:25 GMT
Huth is a steady average premiership centre half and the third best in our club, better than cort and sonko but nowehre near good enough to be able to cope with Arsenals movement
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Post by jarhead on Dec 6, 2009 18:38:52 GMT
But he was with him then ran the other way when he got in the box thats just shit defending not clever movement?
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Post by theoldvic on Dec 6, 2009 19:57:41 GMT
pulis was as happy as a pig in shit at only been beaten 2 zip.the man has taken us as far as he can. thanks for everything ,but let someone else take us on to the next level and give us some chance of playing attacking football
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Post by tony harrison on Dec 6, 2009 19:58:25 GMT
Abdoulaye was caught out on the first one but Huth was watching from behind him and could have tracked the run of Arshavin but didn't.
Covering for the middle in that instance was not really an option anymore once Arshavin had left Abdoulaye.
At least Wilko tried to get back without giving Arshavin the option of going for a second dive in the area. ( re first goal, it was a penalty but if Rory had moved his leg away Arshavin would still have fallen over as that was the direction he was heading)
Wilko was watching Rosicky but tried to cover for Abdoulaye.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 6, 2009 20:07:31 GMT
Huth picked up Fabregas who had layed the ball to Arshavin and was heading for the penalty spot. Arshavin was wilko's man at that point and Huth was covering the middle of the goal on the basis Arshavin would have to do really well to score from wide with aman chasing him. Sadly he did but Huth was in the right place and it was Faye, Wilko and the midfielder not tracking Fabregas who were caught out
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Post by barndoorbanjo on Dec 6, 2009 22:09:53 GMT
Watch both goals again. Faye doesn't cover himself in glory on both of them.
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 6, 2009 22:15:54 GMT
We do Stoke supporters always have to single out individuals??
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Post by wembley4372 on Dec 7, 2009 11:42:08 GMT
We do Stoke supporters always have to single out individuals?? To help people like you understand the game better perhaps
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