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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 5, 2009 22:35:50 GMT
Had a browse through the board and picked up some comments about Huth and Abdy in relation to today's game, but all were positive which surprised me.
Just heard TP's comments on Arshavin and have to say that it reflected my views of the game.
Arshavin terrorised Huth and Abdy and neither of them knew what to do. Thought our lads battled gamely, looked well in the game at times, but the two centre halves were appalling and cost us both goals, though granted we could have lost more comfortably.
As has been acknowledged previously, Abdy maybe carrying some knock and isn't at his best right now and I am simply not convinced by Huth as yet. He is cynical, goes to ground easily, isn't particularly quick and I am yet to be convinced. Abdy and Ryan are our best partnership and should be restored ASAP.
One final comment...Beattie is dire and whilst Mama isn't the best in the world, he offers us a damn site more than Beattie is doing right now. I commented last season how Beattie's goals masked what a poor player he was. With no goals seemingly in him at the moment, Beattie looks worse than even I thought he was last season.
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Post by PottersPride on Dec 5, 2009 22:37:12 GMT
i dont know whats wrong with abdy his sparkle has gone
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 5, 2009 22:41:46 GMT
He had his work cut out today for sure, but both him and Huth were very poor today for me.
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Post by Billy the kid on Dec 5, 2009 22:42:33 GMT
IF we had played Gillingham today then I would agree, as it was we played perhaps one of the best attacking sides in the Premiership away, with then needing a result. I cant see as we have much to complain about. Very impressed with the team effort today. Only one slight concern for me and that was the fitness of Etherington, he looked bolloxed after 20 mins  |
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Post by Stoke_FaN_DaN on Dec 5, 2009 22:45:09 GMT
as phil thompson said today, and everyone's thoughts. why the fuck dosent our tone play fuller and tunny together. what an attack that would be, COME ON TONE DO IT! back to the subject i think huth and ryan are our best at CB atm. although this time last year it would be faye and ryan. duno whats happened to him, hes lost something.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 5, 2009 22:47:40 GMT
I thought everyone knew why Fuller didn't start today - a 5th yellow and a ban against Wigan would have been a bitter blow.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 5, 2009 22:49:22 GMT
I was impressed with our battling qualities as well and many of the lads had decent games. Both full-backs were excellent, Salif and Rory did well, Mama was OK and Tunny showed some signs of quality. Liam and Ethers worked their knackers off but didn't show much offensively and Sorenson was superb.
Just felt today, that our centre halves were poor, cost us both goals in a soft fashion.
Arshavin was class...the first opposition player I have enjoyed watching since we got promoted...but that doesn't alter the fact that Huth and Abdy, in my opinion alone, were very poor today.
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Post by Stoke_FaN_DaN on Dec 5, 2009 22:51:18 GMT
I thought everyone knew why Fuller didn't start today - a 5th yellow and a ban against Wigan would have been a bitter blow. good point actually, i didnt know that. best to play him in games we are more likely to win. but please, tunny to start with him v wigan!! |
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 5, 2009 22:51:44 GMT
Abdy was very poor Huth was slighty better. Mama offers more to us than Beattie if we persist in hoofing the ball aimlessly up front and on that basis he would also offer us more than messi, torres or Eto with those tactics
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 5, 2009 23:13:05 GMT
I would say that Abdy was better than Huth to be honest and having just watched MOTD coverage, would say that Huth was at fault for both Arsenal goals.
Lost Arshavin for the first and dived in needlessly on the 2nd.
A point now being highlighted by Shearer!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 5, 2009 23:31:57 GMT
Still think Huth was right to go for the ball on the second goal, have to stop Arshavin getting the ball, he won the ball and was let down by the cover. If Huth and Adby were like that against Wigan it worth be worth criticism but today they were up against a really top drawer striker and 5 midfielders all more skillful and faster than our midfield. In the circumstances they defended well
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 5, 2009 23:34:21 GMT
I don't doubt the quality of the opposition Chiswick. Arsenal are superb at times and Arshavin was superb...the best player I have seen since our promotion. A real class act.
Not withstanding all that, Huth and Abdy were poor today, albeit against arguably one of the best players in the world.
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Post by Big J on Dec 5, 2009 23:43:36 GMT
Abdy made his usual 3 or 4 goal saving blocks., Huth on the other hand was at fault, but they were gonna break us down some time werent they.
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 5, 2009 23:45:06 GMT
I cant think of any defenders who walk away from the Emirates having a good game!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 5, 2009 23:45:57 GMT
I cant think of any defenders who walk away from the Emirates having a good game! Wilko and Collins from the sound of it.  |
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Dec 6, 2009 0:04:31 GMT
Collins and Wilko indeed had very good games. I thought Diao, Lawrence and Etherington were decent too as well as Sorensen. So half the team had decent games. |
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Post by mikeyb99 on Dec 6, 2009 0:09:33 GMT
Huth looked a complete mug in the highlights. Every time Arsenal got the ball, Huth was either out of position or failing to do something correctly.
The jury is very much still out on Huth, he's yet to put in a good game against decent opposition, and has been made to look very silly indeed when at full-back. I don't think he's anywhere near as good as some think he is.
I genuinely believe that if he was 6"2 instead of 6"5 then he wouldn't even be in the Premiership. The novelty factor of being a giant seems to justify a professional top-flight football career sometimes.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Dec 6, 2009 0:27:36 GMT
Faye still looks injured to me, as TP said, very static. I disagree though with the Huth comment, thought he was good today apart from when arshavin turned him early on.
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 6, 2009 3:53:58 GMT
I cant think of any defenders who walk away from the Emirates having a good game! Wilko and Collins from the sound of it. I didnt mean to knock Wilko this time bayern  I was trying to say Arsenal are so awesome at home they can cut any defence apart. Its unfair to say Huth and Abdy had bad games because out of the 20-30 attacks on goal they dealt with the vast majority of them. Fair enough Arsenal could have scored 4 or 5 but they could win every home goal by 4 or 5 goals! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 6, 2009 4:30:53 GMT
I know what You were trying to say. I was just highlighting it wasn't strictly true! |
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Post by tuum on Dec 6, 2009 6:54:51 GMT
Huth was the poorer of the two for me and his distinct lack of any pace above pedestrian was cruelly exposed. Huth obviously knows this as well because his actions and positioning were typical of a man who knows he is out of his depth against his opponent. I can sympathasize as I have been there myself. However, I did not cost 5M.
I think Huth is adequate cover for Shawcross/Faye/Wilkinson. No more than that. He should not be starting in the 1st XI as a regular on current form.
Pleased to see that Collins appears to be improving.
Delap needs a reverse lobotomy. 2 x now he has conceeded penalties as a result of reckless challenges when there was no immediate danger.
I was happy enough with our shape and performance yesterday. Arsenal were looking more nervy as the game wore on.
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Post by rabbigan on Dec 6, 2009 9:35:06 GMT
Dave Jonno,
Wenger was very smart. Did not play an out and out forward and left Huth with no ones shirt to hold onto.
Against speed and movement Huth was what he is a big slow moderate centre half.
Faye was the better of the two but the movement and passing of Arsenal went through us like a knife through butter partly because of the weakness in midfield Delap mainly I thought Salif had a good game.
We were so much better without Mama and with Whelan on.
Liam and Etherington did nothing but tried hard.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 6, 2009 9:58:57 GMT
I thought they were ok to be honest, the pace that Arsenal's front players play at, has to be seen to be believed.
I certainly think Ryan and Abdy are a better partnership but on the whole I think to say they were shit is a bit extreme.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 6, 2009 11:10:18 GMT
Rabbigan...I don't disagree with the quality of Arsenal's movement, but I thought we were in the game until the subs came on. The introduction of both Beattie and Whelan weakened us from where I was sat and we lost what little hope we had in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 11:13:46 GMT
Huth looked a complete mug in the highlights. Every time Arsenal got the ball, Huth was either out of position or failing to do something correctly. The jury is very much still out on Huth, he's yet to put in a good game against decent opposition, and has been made to look very silly indeed when at full-back. I don't think he's anywhere near as good as some think he is. I genuinely believe that if he was 6"2 instead of 6"5 then he wouldn't even be in the Premiership. The novelty factor of being a giant seems to justify a professional top-flight football career sometimes. I agree Mikey overrated for me. David Wheater from Boro was a much better player, the player we should have taken was gary O'Neill. Our Summer transfers still look distinctly average to me. |
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Post by stokemark on Dec 6, 2009 11:47:15 GMT
Huth looked a complete mug in the highlights. Every time Arsenal got the ball, Huth was either out of position or failing to do something correctly. The jury is very much still out on Huth, he's yet to put in a good game against decent opposition, and has been made to look very silly indeed when at full-back. I don't think he's anywhere near as good as some think he is. I genuinely believe that if he was 6"2 instead of 6"5 then he wouldn't even be in the Premiership. The novelty factor of being a giant seems to justify a professional top-flight football career sometimes. I agree Mikey overrated for me. David Wheater from Boro was a much better player, the player we should have taken was gary O'Neill. Our Summer transfers still look distinctly average to me. Clearly James Collins was first choice - I must agree that I have been underwhelmed by Huth. OK so he is MUCH better than Sonko, Cort etc but for £5m you would expect that to be the case. |
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Dec 6, 2009 12:23:20 GMT
Huth looked a complete mug in the highlights. Every time Arsenal got the ball, Huth was either out of position or failing to do something correctly. The jury is very much still out on Huth, he's yet to put in a good game against decent opposition, and has been made to look very silly indeed when at full-back. I don't think he's anywhere near as good as some think he is. I genuinely believe that if he was 6"2 instead of 6"5 then he wouldn't even be in the Premiership. The novelty factor of being a giant seems to justify a professional top-flight football career sometimes. What a crock of shit. Yeah, if he was a couple of inches shorter, Chelsea would never have used him as a good squad player and he wouldn't be a German international. He come unstuck today against one of the best players in the world. In the previous 2 games playing in his natural position of centre half we kept 2 clean sheets. Boro fans and Southgate were absolutely gutted to lose him. How about giving our own players a bit of support and not over-reacting after a so so performance. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 6, 2009 12:51:25 GMT
Pretty much agree with the first post on this thread, I just can’t see what Sidibe offers the team that a cardboard cut out wouldn’t. Gouranga. |
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Post by mikeyb99 on Dec 6, 2009 13:06:41 GMT
Huth looked a complete mug in the highlights. Every time Arsenal got the ball, Huth was either out of position or failing to do something correctly. The jury is very much still out on Huth, he's yet to put in a good game against decent opposition, and has been made to look very silly indeed when at full-back. I don't think he's anywhere near as good as some think he is. I genuinely believe that if he was 6"2 instead of 6"5 then he wouldn't even be in the Premiership. The novelty factor of being a giant seems to justify a professional top-flight football career sometimes. What a crock of shit. Yeah, if he was a couple of inches shorter, Chelsea would never have used him as a good squad player and he wouldn't be a German international. He come unstuck today against one of the best players in the world. In the previous 2 games playing in his natural position of centre half we kept 2 clean sheets. Boro fans and Southgate were absolutely gutted to lose him. How about giving our own players a bit of support and not over-reacting after a so so performance. I give all players support at the games - where it actually matters - so you can drop the sanctimony. It's not just yesterday that he's 'come unstuck' though is it. He was absolutely awful at full-back. That's arguably not his fault, but let's just say he didn't adapt at all well. I think Higgy has proven that it is possible to at least get the basics right as a converted full-back. In both full-back and centre-back positions Huth looks slow and lumbering, and very susceptible to being caught out by players with a bit of guile or pace. As for the Pompey and Blackburn performances, they were steady, if unspectacular. They can hardly be called crowning career moments against teams that are no better than our equivalents, and who both sit below us in the table. |
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