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Post by iilforddave on Nov 29, 2009 7:34:51 GMT
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Post by tonedepear on Nov 29, 2009 8:03:08 GMT
There are no capitals big or bold enough to do this justice but WHAT ABOUT DAVE KITSONUgh.  I love our Tone, but it's like he's re-writing history so Dave doesn't exist. If only we had a fit striker who could score? Lucky Mama's back, cos we didn't have any other options. Meanwhile, in other parallel universe, Dave needs to get out and get some game time and get scoring. I'll accept he's obviously upset the gaffer, and probably won't play for us again, but still. I'm so exasperated a bit of poo nearly came out. |
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Post by barndoorbanjo on Nov 29, 2009 8:13:38 GMT
Since when as this been kept quiet.
I thought it was obvious to us all that Beattie as been playing with injuries for quite a while.
With Mama just coming back from a lengthy lay off it just proves Kitson was allowed to leave due to non footballing reasons.
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Post by monkeycat on Nov 29, 2009 8:26:47 GMT
And he still brought him on before Tuncay yesterday
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Post by smithy27 on Nov 29, 2009 9:08:16 GMT
beattie not at his best right now but Sidibe is a joke
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 29, 2009 9:46:24 GMT
And he still brought him on before Tuncay yesterday Indeed Matt.  |
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Post by chessyorkshirexile on Nov 29, 2009 12:44:43 GMT
I feel very sorry for James Beattie. He has been forced to play in the mama role for a year now, fighting and jumping for the ball when it is hoofed up to him. It is no wonder he is injured, it must be the hardest position to play in the Premier League. It's also no surprise he has stopped scoring - you can't score with you back to goal all the time which is the way he is usually facing when the ball is skyed up to him. If he played in his proper position - centre forward in the box, he would score many more and we would see a fit and eager Beattie.
He will now have to wait for Mama to get injured again which is only a matter of time.
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Nov 29, 2009 12:47:10 GMT
And he still brought him on before Tuncay yesterday I wonder why, everytime Tuncay as come he has been muscled of the ball time and time again, only good thing he's done was when he came on against Sunderland was it? and did that little run. Lets face it guys we can see why Pulis doesn't pick him. |
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 29, 2009 12:48:56 GMT
my main and really only complaint with TP has been his squad selections and the reasons he gives (sometimes at least) for doing it. but that article just makes him look so incompetent and inept !! |
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Post by Davef on Nov 29, 2009 12:59:56 GMT
And he still brought him on before Tuncay yesterday I wonder why, everytime Tuncay as come he has been muscled of the ball time and time again, only good thing he's done was when he came on against Sunderland was it? and did that little run. Lets face it guys we can see why Pulis doesn't pick him. Any chance of explaining to us all why he bought him then? |
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 29, 2009 13:09:07 GMT
I wonder why, everytime Tuncay as come he has been muscled of the ball time and time again, only good thing he's done was when he came on against Sunderland was it? and did that little run. Lets face it guys we can see why Pulis doesn't pick him. Any chance of explaining to us all why he bought him then? ;D |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 29, 2009 13:11:24 GMT
And he still brought him on before Tuncay yesterday What does that say about what our manager thinks of Tuncay |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 29, 2009 13:13:28 GMT
And he still brought him on before Tuncay yesterday I wonder why, everytime Tuncay as come he has been muscled of the ball time and time again, only good thing he's done was when he came on against Sunderland was it? and did that little run. Lets face it guys we can see why Pulis doesn't pick him. I assume you didn't see him when he came on in the Spurs game. When we outplayed and outpassed a decent Spurs team in the last 15 minutes |
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Post by Stokester on Nov 29, 2009 13:19:11 GMT
Beattie hasn't been fit all season! Please play TUNCAY!!
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Post by ruts66 on Nov 29, 2009 15:23:19 GMT
"He has been playing because we have been a little bit short."  Pulis is his own worst enemy, he doesn't need the PHWs to demonstrate how stubbornly fuckwitted he can be... |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Nov 29, 2009 15:27:53 GMT
'Short' is the last thing we are!
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Post by Targaryen Stokie on Nov 29, 2009 15:29:12 GMT
Come on Beats, sort your fitness out lad.
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Post by trebor63 on Nov 29, 2009 16:25:44 GMT
There are no capitals big or bold enough to do this justice but WHAT ABOUT DAVE KITSONUgh. I think every Stoke fan can understand where you're coming from but I think the Kitson thing is more of a non footballing reason. The one thing about Stoke over the last couple of seasons is the sum total has added up to more than the total of the individual parts. Togetherness team spirit and work ethic has more than made up for any other deficiencies maybe TP felt Kitson compromised our most important attribute? |
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Post by bradscfc on Nov 29, 2009 16:34:18 GMT
makes sense, it's not like we've loaned out our top scorer or got a captain of his national side on the bench....
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Post by Sparkiee on Nov 29, 2009 17:00:23 GMT
I wonder why, everytime Tuncay as come he has been muscled of the ball time and time again, only good thing he's done was when he came on against Sunderland was it? and did that little run. Lets face it guys we can see why Pulis doesn't pick him. I assume you didn't see him when he came on in the Spurs game. When we outplayed and outpassed a decent Spurs team in the last 15 minutes They had 10 men to be fair... |
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 29, 2009 17:01:47 GMT
Kitson is a moody twat who didn't make a proper effort to settle in. Good riddance
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Post by eddy_under_fire'sviews on Nov 29, 2009 17:11:40 GMT
until tony learns that Tuncay isn't the same player as fuller (i.e. fuller being a striker and tuncay being a forward) then he will refuse to play them at the same time.
even when beattie and tunny were on yesterday, the only time tuncay looked dangerous was when he came short (into his usual position) got the pass from collins, and was able to take on the defenders in front of him with the ball at his feet.
and TP probably bollocked him for not listening to his orders.
PLEASE TONY, PLAY FULLER AND TUNCAY AT THE SAME TIME!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 29, 2009 17:14:12 GMT
Is he not fit?   And to think we let Kitson go out on loan. |
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Nov 29, 2009 17:18:28 GMT
Yes and he scores twice. Pulis at times doesn't know how to play people in the role that they were made for.
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Post by MrMagic on Nov 29, 2009 17:23:18 GMT
Kitson is a moody twat who didn't make a proper effort to settle in. Good riddance Yet another example of uniformed "what would Tony do" thinking. You know no more than any of the rest of us. If Kitson comes back and starts scoring you'll be going on about what a genius Tony was for loaning him out and turning him around. Give me some actual FACTS that support your arguement. Bet you can't |
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Post by march4 on Nov 29, 2009 17:26:03 GMT
Kitson is a moody twat who didn't make a proper effort to settle in. Good riddance Yet another example of uniformed "what would Tony do" thinking. You know no more than any of the rest of us. If Kitson comes back and starts scoring you'll be going on about what a genius Tony was for loaning him out and turning him around. Give me some actual FACTS that support your arguement. Bet you can't Here is a fact - Kitson sulks a lot  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 29, 2009 17:28:35 GMT
I don't give a shit if Kitson had just murdered the Queen. He should be playing for us now and if we want to get rid, sod him off in January when we have a suitable replacement. Not two unfit strikers and a player the manager hasn't got a clue on how to play.
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Post by granthampotter on Nov 29, 2009 19:24:52 GMT
tuncay hasnt been given a chance yet by pulis how can he be judged with just ten mins football everytime pulis should play him from the start then he have a better idea how good he is
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 29, 2009 19:55:57 GMT
"He has been playing because we have been a little bit short." Pulis is his own worst enemy, he doesn't need the PHWs to demonstrate how stubbornly fuckwitted he can be... Amazing thing to say wneh he's got £10m worth of strikers kicking their heels in the Championship and the bench. Even at 100%, Beattie's far from a 100% fit in the Sidibe role and plays it in a very different way. And how effective has he really been in that role in the last month ambling around at 70% fitness? It's not as if he's been physically able to really run that Sidibe-esque hoof channel to any great effect. And, even last season, he won very little in the air against big centre-halves. This season, he's won nothing and hasn't had it in the tank to even make himself a nuisance. Particularly this season, Beattie's physical state has made him a complete passenger. Pulis was prepared to play the weak, unathletic, pretty Sheringham-like Kitson 'in the hole' and did even this reborn, semi-successful Kitson we saw this season ever really challenge for and physically compete for balls when he played there? And was he ever particularly effective at holding the ball up? Virtually all of his good work came when he got the ball to his feet, and yet still, when he was on form, it functioned okay. Interesting debate between Serps and RVD on the Fuller-Sidibe thread about how central to our team DNA the hoof tactic is, and how far away we are from contemplating some kind of PlanB which may allow us to begin to think about a Tuncay-Fuller partnership. To what degree is everything about Pulis' management and our team shape etc governed by having an out ball to a big striker in the hole, with his back to goal? Both Beattie, and especially Kitson, have played the Sidibe role very differently, mainly because they've been forced to play there and don't have Sidibe's physical capabilities. Beattie has got the physicality to hold the ball up (but his mobility seems to be really on the wane), but Kitson had neither the mobility or the physicality. So can you really compare the kind of outlet they were to the kind of outlet Sidibe is? And if we can modify things for them, is a modification to Tuncay one step too far? I'd like to, at least, see if Tuncay could operate there before admitting defeat on a Fuller-Tuncay future. Tuncay is nudging 6' and has bundles of energy but he is a real lightweight. And, as was mentioned elsewhere, the other option is playing Fuller to compete physically as the deep striker, with Tuncay in the Fuller role (but he really does not look happy there and really dislikes being the focal point) All in all, it's a puzzler. |
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Post by Davef on Nov 29, 2009 20:33:23 GMT
It is an amazing thing to say right now.
Whatever next? "We're having to play square pegs in round holes Nige"?
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