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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 29, 2009 0:58:10 GMT
Seems to have become a bit of a liability recently. Too many bad decisions- pushing, punching, etc.?
Should be more interested in the ball.
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Post by Sparkiee on Nov 29, 2009 1:00:50 GMT
We looked noticably stronger when him and Shawcross were on the pitch rather than when him and Faye were. If he really must be left out, then I would have Collins at center back and have Higgy replace him. I'd rather have Huth at CB than Collins.
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Post by evans1863 on Nov 29, 2009 1:01:31 GMT
Wilko Faye Shawcross Collins
Simples
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Post by Sparkiee on Nov 29, 2009 1:02:44 GMT
Did you see Faye when he came on? Shocking! Hasn't exactly looked good all season. Huth is edging it at the moment for me!
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Post by barndoorbanjo on Nov 29, 2009 8:04:46 GMT
No.
Huth is a better bet than Faye on current form.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 29, 2009 8:13:15 GMT
Huth and Ryan are still new as a pair but they have looked ol - 2 clean sheets isn't a bad record. I'd leave the cb pairing as it is (if Ryan is fit) and I'd still like to see Abdy given a try out in centre mid. However, I think he should be on the bench next week as he still doesn't look fully fit. His cameo yesterday shows that, at the moment, he still isn't the player he was last season.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Nov 29, 2009 8:17:30 GMT
Seems to have become a bit of a liability recently. Too many bad decisions- pushing, punching, etc.? Should be more interested in the ball. I'm with you fella, he worried me from what I saw on Setanta, needless push in the back of the Argentinian lad could have cost us a peno and most likely a goal. |
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Post by iilforddave on Nov 29, 2009 9:31:48 GMT
No. Huth is a better bet than Faye on current form. totally agree, whilst I love Abdy, he hasn't been at his best last few games I have seen him play, and is arguably a bigger liability than Huth |
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Post by tazi on Nov 29, 2009 10:51:13 GMT
The shirehorse is a liability and i hope this doesn't continue but unfortunately Abdoulaye doesn't look much better either.
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Post by Davef on Nov 29, 2009 11:13:31 GMT
Why would anybody contemplate dropping a centre half (or any other defender for that matter) after two successive clean sheets?
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Post by ParaPsych on Nov 29, 2009 11:17:57 GMT
Fuck me. Some of the terminology used on here is bordering on the spastic.
Liability?
I don't think we can call any of our best 3 centre backs liabilites when we've got the 5th best defence in the league.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Nov 29, 2009 11:18:36 GMT
Huth and Ryan were very solid yesterday Huth talked to all the defense throughout - very good. As Davef says - 2 clean sheets - end of discussion
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Post by rigsby on Nov 29, 2009 11:22:08 GMT
I think he looked good yesterday, and has done in every Stoke game (bearing in mind he's played out of position in all but yesterdays match) He does tend to do daft things like slapping people round the noggin', and barging/pushing folk out of the road. But if he gets away with it, i like it  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 29, 2009 11:23:20 GMT
Huth and Ryan were very solid yesterday Huth talked to all the defense throughout - very good. As Davef says - 2 clean sheets - end of discussion I don't think just because we ( specifically) kept a (two) clean sheet(s) then it should be the end of the discussion, we had a pretty good damn run of form with Rory playing on the right but there wasn't ANYBODY claiming that we shouldn't change the team because of that run. Too much of a simplistic view in my opinion. |
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Post by Trubritt on Nov 29, 2009 11:25:23 GMT
Fuck me. Some of the terminology used on here is bordering on the spastic. Liability? I don't think we can call any of our best 3 centre backs liabilites when we've got the 5th best defence in the league. Agree with most of your points, but i can also see the point of this thread, had the reff spotted that slap against west ham and that push yesterday then you might be using the word liability to. |
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Post by ParaPsych on Nov 29, 2009 11:27:10 GMT
I've no idea what push you're talking about, but I've not seen MOTD. At the game I don't remember any appealing.
Anyway, I'd say these things are more down to Huth being a dirty cheating German than being a liability. Being a dirty cheating German he'll almost certainly continue to get away with being a dirty cheat. I can't see it costing us much.
I certainly don't shit my pants at the thought of him playing in his natural position.
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Post by Targaryen Stokie on Nov 29, 2009 11:27:37 GMT
I don't think he should be dropped, what's with the Abdy bashing as well? When he came on yesterday I thought he looked ok, he definitely didn't look bad.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Nov 29, 2009 11:28:46 GMT
Paul - ok, for me Huth played very well and marshalls the defence very well. Abdy seems a bit off the pace at the mo and if we can afford to rest him, which we can re clean sheets, we should.
Whilst we can always pick holes in an individual player, we have a collectively 3 very good c/b's and one future England star. If Ryan is injured for next week, then Abdy and Huth would be a very good partnership that a lot of other Prem clubs would love to have
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 29, 2009 11:30:37 GMT
Anyway, I'd say these things are more down to Huth being a dirty cheating German than being a liability. I guess people are just suggesting that being one can lead to becoming the other.  |
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Post by ParaPsych on Nov 29, 2009 11:31:17 GMT
No Paul. Dirty cheating Germans get away with these things, at least until video evidence spots them. He's fine.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 29, 2009 11:31:38 GMT
Paul - ok, for me Huth played very well and marshalls the defence very well. Abdy seems a bit off the pace at the mo and if we can afford to rest him, which we can re clean sheets, we should. Whilst we can always pick holes in an individual player, we have a collectively 3 very good c/b's and one future England star. If Ryan is injured for next week, then Abdy and Huth would be a very good partnership that a lot of other Prem clubs would love to have I wouldn't disagree with any of that Suffolk. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 29, 2009 11:31:39 GMT
Huth and Ryan were very solid yesterday Huth talked to all the defense throughout - very good. As Davef says - 2 clean sheets - end of discussion I don't think just because we ( specifically) kept a (two) clean sheet(s) then it should be the end of the discussion, we had a pretty good damn run of form with Rory playing on the right but there wasn't ANYBODY claiming that we shouldn't change the team because of that run. Too much of a simplistic view in my opinion. A fair point Paul, but the fact that we started to look a bit dodgy when Abdy came on suggests that he (Abdy) is no longer the nailed on certainty to start that he once was. Huth and Ryan were not perfect yesterday (despite the clean sheet) but they are a new pairing and they were good enough together to suggest that if both are fit they should play as a pair next week. Let's be honest, TP always comes up with good defences sooner or later every season so we are usually not faced with any bad performances at cb so it is always going to be a fine line as to which combination is the best. EDIT - I see others are saying much the same as me - but more eloquently! |
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Post by march4 on Nov 29, 2009 11:32:57 GMT
Centre half looks a strong position to me. There are weaker areas in the team.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 29, 2009 11:36:37 GMT
I don't think just because we ( specifically) kept a (two) clean sheet(s) then it should be the end of the discussion, we had a pretty good damn run of form with Rory playing on the right but there wasn't ANYBODY claiming that we shouldn't change the team because of that run. Too much of a simplistic view in my opinion. A fair point Paul, but the fact that we started to look a bit dodgy when Abdy came on suggests that he (Abdy) is no longer the nailed on certainty to start that he once was. Huth and Ryan were not perfect yesterday (despite the clean sheet) but they are a new pairing and they were good enough together to suggest that if both are fit they should play as a pair next week. Let's be honest, TP always comes up with good defences sooner or later every season so we are not faced with and bad performances at cb so it is always going to be a fine line as to which combination is the best. EDIT - I see others are saying much the same as me - but more eloquently! I'm not in any way criticising Huth John, I just thought that the suggestion that the debate should end becuase we'd kept two clean sheets wasn't a particularly good one, as indeed both you and Suffolk seem to agree. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Nov 29, 2009 11:36:55 GMT
Paul - ok, for me Huth played very well and marshalls the defence very well. Abdy seems a bit off the pace at the mo and if we can afford to rest him, which we can re clean sheets, we should. Whilst we can always pick holes in an individual player, we have a collectively 3 very good c/b's and one future England star. If Ryan is injured for next week, then Abdy and Huth would be a very good partnership that a lot of other Prem clubs would love to have I wouldn't disagree with any of that Suffolk. WHat was alos interesting is that Huth was also shouting to Collins and Wilko a lot - no coincidence that Collins had a better game? Blackburn fans said to us after the game, cant believe we lost Ryan and brought on another brilliant c/b. Considering Huth has only started twice with Ryan and not at all with Abdy, both pairings looked solid enough So long as TP keeps Wilko right, then Huth will prove to be a top purchase and great strength and depth in the centre of defense |
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Post by chessyorkshirexile on Nov 29, 2009 12:49:04 GMT
Huth is good cover for a fit Faye. He is too S L O W which is why is always pushing and holding players back. He should never ever be right back again however.
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Post by tazi on Nov 29, 2009 13:18:24 GMT
Blatant two handed push in the box - NOW THAT'S WHY HE'S A LIABILITY. Unless i'm missing something.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 29, 2009 13:20:19 GMT
Huth's a good defender for us, just needs to cut out those silly blatant fouls he keeps doing out of the ref's eye, sooner or later it'll cost us!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 13:20:29 GMT
tazi i used to respect your opinions on here but just lately you have lost the plot with some of the garbage your spouting on here IN MY OPINION.
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