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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2009 16:42:44 GMT
he's a good player but now cressers isnt in the picture people need someone else to moan about. if its not him its collins or even pulis. I wish it was that simple.
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 27, 2009 16:48:24 GMT
Whitehead and Collins are the boo boys and have been since they joined!
All youhave to do is go back and find the threads as soon as it look like they were signing, 95% of people were saying how let down they were by them not being big names. Since then everybody has been on there backs.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 27, 2009 16:51:47 GMT
Whitehead and Collins are the boo boys and have been since they joined! All youhave to do is go back and find the threads as soon as it look like they were signing, 95% of people were saying how let down they were by them not being big names. Since then everybody has been on there backs. And it has nothing to do with the fact that they aren't as good as Higgy and Rory in those positions then? Open your eyes man, if they were any good, people wouldn't want them removed from the team. The fact is our back four looks weaker for Collins in it and our central midfield is nowhere near as good as last year. How hard can it be?
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Post by yorkshirestokie on Nov 27, 2009 16:55:12 GMT
Whitehead and Collins are the boo boys and have been since they joined! All youhave to do is go back and find the threads as soon as it look like they were signing, 95% of people were saying how let down they were by them not being big names. Since then everybody has been on there backs. yeah and the "big name" has done crackin since he got here
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 27, 2009 16:55:20 GMT
Whitehead and Collins are the boo boys and have been since they joined! All youhave to do is go back and find the threads as soon as it look like they were signing, 95% of people were saying how let down they were by them not being big names. Since then everybody has been on there backs. And it has nothing to do with the fact that they aren't as good as Higgy and Rory in those positions then? Open your eyes man, if they were any good, people wouldn't want them removed from the team. The fact is our back four looks weaker for Collins in it and our central midfield is nowhere near as good as last year. How hard can it be? That's rubbish Jamo, people just say those things because they hate Pulis!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 27, 2009 16:56:30 GMT
And it has nothing to do with the fact that they aren't as good as Higgy and Rory in those positions then? Open your eyes man, if they were any good, people wouldn't want them removed from the team. The fact is our back four looks weaker for Collins in it and our central midfield is nowhere near as good as last year. How hard can it be? That's rubbish Jamo, people just say those things because they hate Pulis! I know mate, how stupid do I feel now?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2009 16:59:40 GMT
Whitehead and Collins are the boo boys and have been since they joined! All youhave to do is go back and find the threads as soon as it look like they were signing, 95% of people were saying how let down they were by them not being big names. Since then everybody has been on there backs. And it has nothing to do with the fact that they aren't as good as Higgy and Rory in those positions then? Open your eyes man, if they were any good, people wouldn't want them removed from the team. The fact is our back four looks weaker for Collins in it and our central midfield is nowhere near as good as last year. How hard can it be? What a ludicrous suggestion!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 18:08:47 GMT
Whitehead and Collins are the boo boys and have been since they joined! All youhave to do is go back and find the threads as soon as it look like they were signing, 95% of people were saying how let down they were by them not being big names. Since then everybody has been on there backs. Stokelad, what team would you pick?
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Post by salifdiao on Nov 27, 2009 18:15:47 GMT
Whitehead and Collins are the boo boys and have been since they joined! All youhave to do is go back and find the threads as soon as it look like they were signing, 95% of people were saying how let down they were by them not being big names. Since then everybody has been on there backs. Stokelad, what team would you pick? Whichever one has the squarest pegs banged into the roundest holes by giant haystacks with a lump hammer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 18:18:13 GMT
Stokelad, what team would you pick? Whichever one has the squarest pegs banged into the roundest holes by giant haystacks with a lump hammer. I would also have accepted "Whatever team lovely handsome Tony picks".
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 27, 2009 18:19:42 GMT
-------------- Sorenson
Huth - Shawcross - Faye - Collins
Lawrence - Delap - Whitehead - Ethers
-------------Beattie - Fuller
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2009 18:21:29 GMT
What does TP's anus taste like Stokelad?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 18:21:34 GMT
---------------- Sorenson Huth - Shawcross - Faye - Collins Lawrence - Delap - Whitehead - Ethers ---------------Beattie - Fuller So you'd pick Lawrence then - TP obviously isn't infallible Answer me this - what does Whitehead do that Pugh, Amdy Faye, Diao or Delap don't that warrants him being in the team?
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 27, 2009 18:23:50 GMT
I have always said Lawrence should start if fit! Whitehead offers similar qualities to the other midfielders you mention... Just does it slightly better
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 18:25:13 GMT
I have always said Lawrence should start if fit! Whitehead offers similar qualities to the other midfielders you mention... Just does it slightly better In what way does he do it better though mate? He doesn't get on the ball as often and doesn't have the influence on the game that the others have.
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 27, 2009 18:27:11 GMT
I notice the things that TP and O'Conner see... The things that often go unnoticed
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 18:30:26 GMT
I notice the things that TP and O'Conner see... The things that often go unnoticed Could you enlighten us footballing plebs with what you notice with your all-powerful football brain?
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Post by yorkshirestokie on Nov 27, 2009 18:32:01 GMT
my first choice side away: sorro huth shawcross faye collins lawrence whitehead diao ethers fuller sidibe
home: sorro wilko faye shawcross collins lawrence whitehead whelan etherington fuller sidibe.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Nov 27, 2009 18:47:44 GMT
Whitehead as a fixture then. Why?
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Post by danceswithclams on Nov 27, 2009 18:49:15 GMT
For some reason, I read the title of this thread as 'The Mary Whitehouse Experience'[/i] "See one of those boxes with a drawing of a cow on it and when you turn it upside down it goes 'moo'?"
"I have observed the novelty item."
"That's your stereo, that is. That's your state-of-the-art Hitachi".
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 27, 2009 19:00:18 GMT
Depends if the cage is open or closed really If its open, I think he has the potential to be excellent for us, if its closed, there are far better options.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 20:02:51 GMT
I notice the things that TP and O'Conner see... The things that often go unnoticed Could you enlighten us footballing plebs with what you notice with your all-powerful football brain? Calling Stokelad...Come in Stokelad...
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Post by eddy_under_fire'sviews on Nov 27, 2009 22:49:33 GMT
In fairness to Whitehead he is being asked to play a role which he has never played in his career. He described himself when he came as abox to box player and I thought thats what we were getting. Now he finds he is docked wages if he crosses the halfway line. He played a nice one two with Etherington against Portsmouth and perhaps the role he has been given is totally unsuited to him. IN THAT CASE WHY DID WE BUY HIM. THAT IS THE QUESTION. reading an interview with him, he suggested that the position he is playing here is completely alien to him. as an attacking midfielder his natural instinct is to give the ball and then make a forward run to support the front 2. now here, he is under specific instructions to sit back, and he admitted that its a request which is difficult for him to take on board because he is having to fight everything he has known before. which makes me think that we really aren't getting the best out of him. i actually think we're getting very little out of him at all if i'm honest because he blatantly isn't a very good defensive midfielder.
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Post by yorkshirestokie on Nov 27, 2009 23:36:40 GMT
whitehead and collins have contributed more than the "big name" tuncay. if you would of seen the interview in the times you would understand why our "best players" dont play.
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Post by calgarystoker on Nov 28, 2009 2:08:00 GMT
We all know its not good to barrack and pull our own players to pieces but this guy is useless, people that defend him bare this in mind you will be following our club long after hes departed and faded from memory the difference being at 20 thousand pound a week he will retire thinking i dont care if they thought i was shit i got paid well , and this how the gaffer wants me to play is alian to me bollocks hes pro footballer what ever position you play he should be able to trap and pass a ball nobody expects him to be like maradona just to show up on a saturday and earn his wage.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 28, 2009 8:12:05 GMT
If we hadn't bought Danny Collins we could have put that fee togther with the Whitehead money and got Lee Cattermole, a player who is a real upgrade on what we have at the moment. Higgy, Griff and Dicko all looked to be doing as well as Collins at left back last season.
People will stop commenting on the disappointing performances of players when players stop performing disappointingly.
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Post by AlliG on Nov 28, 2009 10:32:27 GMT
Because it really is that easy isn't it.
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Post by henry on Nov 28, 2009 10:41:45 GMT
Amdy Faye was bloody good last season. I was as much against Faye as I am Whitehead but Faye's performances changed my mind on him. Whitehead has a long way to go to get such a turnaround. Whitehead was a panic buy. We had signed no one, we were weeks (I think) into the window and we saw Ipswich wanted him. We panicked and we signed him. That was my theory at the time and after what he's served up so far I don't think I'm far off. whitehead was'nt a panic buy, the guy himself said that he knew of pulis' interest for months.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 28, 2009 10:51:00 GMT
Nothings easy is it AlliG. I just happen to think there was better value to be found in the summer. I said this at the time too. Dean Whitehead and Danny Collins have so far confirmed that they are adequate- at best- players for teams at the bottom end of this division. They have both spent much of their careers at that level without ever looking like they could do better or attracting the attention of anyone with any ambition. Over the summer we seemed to be spending the sums that a side with ambition would spend. I do realise that our squad is now strong, but feel we have strengthened mostly with players of similar(or inferior )quality, in places where we already had options. I mentioned Cattermole to illustrate there were a few players available who could maybe progress to to a higher level. Today like every game I shall be giving everyone in a SCFC shirt the loudest most vociferous support I can for the entire game. I hope you will too.
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