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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 23, 2009 14:17:02 GMT
Anyone hear Brammer on the radio last night about the role Pulis expects of his central midfield players?
It wasn't a surprise to be honest, but "the cage" was a very apt description for a manager who seemingly shackles his teams in the way they play.
When confined by the role of the "cage" is it any wonder that we seemingly sit so deep and that our midfield struggle to show any sign of the qualities that they may or may not possess.
It was a very interesting analysis and quite possibly the most effective Brammer has even been in relation to Stoke City. ;D
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 23, 2009 14:18:15 GMT
Thats the way TP has always set up his teams. Makes us solid
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 23, 2009 14:19:52 GMT
No shit sherlock!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 14:19:54 GMT
Thats the way TP has always set up his teams. Makes us solid Apart from the back end of last season. Or the Sunderland game this season. Or the Championship seasons where Russell was given free reign to run around like a headless chicken.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Nov 23, 2009 14:22:49 GMT
Thats the way TP has always set up his teams. Makes us solid Apart from the back end of last season. Or the Sunderland game this season. Or the Championship seasons where Russell was given free reign to run around like a headless chicken. And to be fair Russell did it very very well
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Post by greyman on Nov 23, 2009 14:25:23 GMT
I remember Russell going a bit mad, running ahead of the ball and all that malarkey and scoring a few goals from midfield. We soon put a stop to that fucking nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 14:30:08 GMT
What I don't get (sorry to bollock on about this) is why we're suddenly more defensive than at the tail end of last season when we've strengthened to the tune of £20m?
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Post by 811 on Nov 23, 2009 14:38:48 GMT
What I don't get (sorry to bollock on about this) is why we're suddenly more defensive than at the tail end of last season when we've strengthened to the tune of £20m? i think its this 2nd season syndrome, he's a cautious man on a good day but when the "2nd season syndrome" is hyped the way it is, might just make him that extra bit cautious, tbh imo we are showing too much respect for it. just a thought like but the manager might be planning on hitting the 40 mark then unleashing the real quality and attacking players when (and only when)we are safe being the cautious and disciplined man he is, by that point the other teams better players are getting a bit more tired and are picking up injuries having played all season and we''ll have the quality with the fresh legs to "push us on" into Europe. when you think about it, There must be a method to his madness. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 14:39:56 GMT
What I don't get (sorry to bollock on about this) is why we're suddenly more defensive than at the tail end of last season when we've strengthened to the tune of £20m? i think its this 2nd season syndrome, he's a cautious man on a good day but when the "2nd season syndrome" is hyped the way it is, might just make him that extra bit cautious, tbh imo we are showing too much respect for it. just a thought like but the manager might be planning on hitting the 40 mark then unleashing the real quality and attacking players when (and only when)we are safe being the cautious and disciplined man he is, by that point the other teams better players are getting a bit more tired and are picking up injuries having played all season and we''ll have the quality with the fresh legs to "push us on" into Europe. when you think about it, There must be a method to his madness. ;D O'Connor was hinting that this was very much the case on Friday. Insanity imo.
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Post by 811 on Nov 23, 2009 14:41:25 GMT
i think its this 2nd season syndrome, he's a cautious man on a good day but when the "2nd season syndrome" is hyped the way it is, might just make him that extra bit cautious, tbh imo we are showing too much respect for it. just a thought like but the manager might be planning on hitting the 40 mark then unleashing the real quality and attacking players when (and only when)we are safe being the cautious and disciplined man he is, by that point the other teams better players are getting a bit more tired and are picking up injuries having played all season and we''ll have the quality with the fresh legs to "push us on" into Europe. when you think about it, There must be a method to his madness. ;D O'Connor was hinting that this was very much the case on Friday. Insanity imo. i agree, this to much respect buiness is costing us points imo.
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 23, 2009 14:42:27 GMT
Rob, we were a bit less conservative at the tail end of last season as, by then, we were clear of relegation worries. Tone's view is always to firstly get enough points to avoid relegation. If we hit 40 plus points by sometime in March, as we may do at the current points accumulation rate, expect samba football until the season's end!
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Post by mcf on Nov 23, 2009 14:43:09 GMT
It was a fucking superb passage of play.
Watching 60 odd minutes of grim shit was more than worthwhile in what proceeded in the following hours.
Over the top cheering for Tuncay as Fuller sticks it away - TP gets a way with another one.
Moaning PHW cunt after moaning PHW cunt on Radio Stoke - topped off with the Sorenson moan. What did he do - save a penalty and help us win the game and then he gets compared with the ashes of a dead dog. ;D
Dave Brammer's description of the cage and the very slight hint that he wasn't particularly keen himself on being 'locked up'
Superb. ;D
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Post by 811 on Nov 23, 2009 14:44:00 GMT
Rob, we were a bit less conservative at the tail end of last season as, by then, we were clear of relegation worries. Tone's view is always to firstly get enough points to avoid relegation. If we hit 40 plus points by sometime in March, as we may do at the current points accumulation rate, expect samba football until the season's end! steady mate. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 14:45:03 GMT
it strikes me that tony pulis gives the opposition far too much respect.when we actually tried to play some football, we looked far better imho.a great goal and a run by wilko lightened up a dour match. portsmouth don't look that good to me, as with wolves and hull. these teams and another good few are not that impressive. as i say when we did pass and move, we looked a better proposition. hopefully we'll see more of this, sooner rather than later. come on tony pulis, show more faith in your players. we can do it.!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 14:45:14 GMT
Rob, we were a bit less conservative at the tail end of last season as, by then, we were clear of relegation worries. Tone's view is always to firstly get enough points to avoid relegation. If we hit 40 plus points by sometime in March, as we may do at the current points accumulation rate, expect samba football until the season's end! We were less conservative at home well before we were safe Jezza. We were prepared to "have a go" to some degree at the likes of Liverpool and Man Yoo, we dominated teams like Bolton. It wasn't always great, but with Whelan and Delap in the middle we were at least prepared to try and set the pace in winnable games - something we've gone out of our way not to do this season.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Nov 23, 2009 14:49:23 GMT
I think the way we always seem to set up and approach games in the first half can be seen as a microcosm (great word ) for how we seem to be approaching this season. Despite recent poor second half performances, Pulis generally likes to kee it tight early on, first hour or so and then go for it when there is less chance of it going wrong. I think this is the way he is approaching this season, and last season to some degree. We only saw the decent attacking football once we are odds on staying up. Once we had got into a position where we looked safe Pulis released the shackles. I think he's doing exactly the same this season. As soon as we're safe we may see better football and better footballers playing in their rightful positions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 14:51:39 GMT
We only saw the decent attacking football once we are odds on staying up. Once we had got into a position where we looked safe Pulis released the shackles. I think he's doing exactly the same this season. Strongly disagree. For the most part, even with a weaker squad, we were far more positive at home last season than we have been this season.
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Post by 811 on Nov 23, 2009 14:55:47 GMT
i'll just cling onto the hope that this is his plan, and if we do it or come within a nats cock of it i'll never question the bloke again.
but he has to understand the fans frustration at the quality he keeps on the bench, it would be a whole lot better if he come out and stated his intentions to the supporters in the oatcake mag or somet, that would put a whole lot of peoples minds at rest regarding team selections.
i'd prefer a man to fail with a plan than to fail with no plan at all.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 23, 2009 14:55:58 GMT
I think the way we always seem to set up and approach games in the first half can be seen as a microcosm (great word ) for how we seem to be approaching this season. Despite recent poor second half performances, Pulis generally likes to kee it tight early on, first hour or so and then go for it when there is less chance of it going wrong. I think this is the way he is approaching this season, and last season to some degree. We only saw the decent attacking football once we are odds on staying up. Once we had got into a position where we looked safe Pulis released the shackles. I think he's doing exactly the same this season. As soon as we're safe we may see better football and better footballers playing in their rightful positions. Hallelujah father!!! Would you prophesise the same for next season considering the three year plan.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Nov 23, 2009 14:57:30 GMT
I think the way we always seem to set up and approach games in the first half can be seen as a microcosm (great word ) for how we seem to be approaching this season. Despite recent poor second half performances, Pulis generally likes to kee it tight early on, first hour or so and then go for it when there is less chance of it going wrong. I think this is the way he is approaching this season, and last season to some degree. We only saw the decent attacking football once we are odds on staying up. Once we had got into a position where we looked safe Pulis released the shackles. I think he's doing exactly the same this season. As soon as we're safe we may see better football and better footballers playing in their rightful positions. Hallelujah father!!! Would you prophesise the same for next season considering the three year plan. I am no prophet, just a mere messanger of the good word.
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Post by dadofsam on Nov 23, 2009 15:32:31 GMT
perhaps they could offer a 'post forty' season ticket?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 23, 2009 15:36:20 GMT
perhaps they could offer a 'post forty' season ticket? So you are confident the manager will keep us up in plenty of time then?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 15:37:06 GMT
perhaps they could offer a 'post forty' season ticket? So you are confident the manager will keep us up in plenty of time then? There's an argument that he should do, given what we've spent.
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Post by stokemark on Nov 23, 2009 15:37:53 GMT
'The Cage' revalation was perhaps the single most interesting thing to come out of this weekends match. Perhaps it helps us all to understand why certain players (namely Whitehead) look so, well, shit ?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 23, 2009 15:46:13 GMT
So you are confident the manager will keep us up in plenty of time then? There's an argument that he should do, given what we've spent. Of course Rob, he will live and die by results because he is definitely doing it his way. You don't become a manager doing anything else. Just illustrating that most of fans are confident of staying up even if they are not happy with the state of team affairs. Quite a privileged position considering.
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Post by ipswichpotter on Nov 23, 2009 15:51:35 GMT
The problem with 'the cage' is not when we're defending, but when we're attacking.
Whitehead and Diao offer absolutely nothing going foward alongside Delap. They all look lost when they venture over the half way line.
Yesterday we had 1 of 4 midfield players capable of supplying the foward line or scoring a goal.
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Post by polofrance on Nov 23, 2009 16:05:03 GMT
By the way which two midfielders combined to feed Fuller for the goal?
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 23, 2009 16:06:50 GMT
That would be Dean Whitehead and Matty Etherington polofrance
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Post by wembley4372 on Nov 23, 2009 18:29:53 GMT
Anyone hear Brammer on the radio last night about the role Pulis expects of his central midfield players? It wasn't a surprise to be honest, but "the cage" was a very apt description for a manager who seemingly shackles his teams in the way they play. When confined by the role of the "cage" is it any wonder that we seemingly sit so deep and that our midfield struggle to show any sign of the qualities that they may or may not possess. It was a very interesting analysis and quite possibly the most effective Brammer has even been in relation to Stoke City. ;D Is it safe to assume you didn't do rocket science as school DJ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 18:32:13 GMT
That would be Dean Whitehead and Matty Etherington polofrance Haven't you missed out one significant contributer who chested the ball down and sprayed it out wide to Ethers?
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