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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 14, 2009 22:34:45 GMT
I wasn't over the moon about Reid's appointment and now we're getting reports of training ground bust-ups every week, maybe that's just a coincidence, but...  What worries me just as much is the way we've lost our way tactically since Spurs, I've never rated Reid as any kind of tactician although he's not been bad getting the best out of moderate players in the past... anybody know how much tactical input he really has?? |
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Post by PenkhullStokie on Nov 14, 2009 22:43:51 GMT
He advises that Whelan, Lawrence and Tuncay start on the bench, while Rory and Huth play out of position.
Seriously though, i understand what you mean; there was the rumour of Ried and Kitson having it of; Tuncay having an arguement with Ried because Tunny can't quit smoking.
It could be coincidence, it might be Ried. Ried does have experience though and he might just want the players to get it in their head what is needed in the Prem.
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Post by henry on Nov 14, 2009 22:44:22 GMT
bust-ups every week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you know of more than the kitson incedent ?
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 14, 2009 22:50:26 GMT
if tuncay is smoking then pulis is right not to start him. supposed to be a professional athlete  |
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Post by MrMagic on Nov 14, 2009 22:54:37 GMT
if tuncay is smoking then pulis is right not to start him. supposed to be a professional athlete Berbatov smokes, as does Galas. Ginola smoked loads. Do you remember a Brazilian called Socratés? 60 a day. You can bet your arse that if Mama spent all day smoking cherry tobacco out of a Shirlock Holmes style pipe, he'd get a game. |
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 14, 2009 22:55:41 GMT
bust-ups every week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you know of more than the kitson incedent ? Not solid information any more than the Kits story but a strong rumour on here about another this week, have a look further down the board. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 14, 2009 22:55:52 GMT
if tuncay is smoking then pulis is right not to start him. supposed to be a professional athlete There really has been some strange postings tonight, where is the evidence that Tuncay is a smoker ? bearing in mind that it's a well known fact that a Turkish player with a similar name actually does smoke 40 a day, are you sure you're not confusing him with Tudgay ??? . |
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Post by MrMagic on Nov 14, 2009 22:56:28 GMT
Back onto the subject. I think we might be looking too deeply here. Whilst Reid is here to work with Tony, the final decision rests with Pulis, and he does not strike me as a man who would do something that he did not want to.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 14, 2009 22:57:42 GMT
This isn't aimed at you Sal, but it's priceless that the very same people who a couple of weeks ago were marding that TP wasn't giving Reid enough influence on tactics are now complaining about Reid ;D
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Post by serpico on Nov 14, 2009 23:00:28 GMT
He could also have been influential in the win at Spurs ;D surely it can work both ways ??? .
I have no idea how much input Reid has, but are we really playing that much different than before he was here ? I can't see it myself, it's pretty much the same.
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 14, 2009 23:00:38 GMT
This isn't aimed at you Sal, but it's priceless that the very same people who a couple of weeks ago were marding that TP wasn't giving Reid enough influence on tactics are now complaining about Reid ;D Not guilty of that one ;D I'd also love to know how it's worked between Pulis and Francis, I do think Tone took some of his advice last year. |
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Post by henry on Nov 14, 2009 23:04:02 GMT
bust-ups every week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you know of more than the kitson incedent ? Not solid information any more than the Kits story but a strong rumour on here about another this week, have a look further down the board. there was a strong rumour on here that we were signing dean ashton and paul scholes.  |
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Post by surreystokie on Nov 14, 2009 23:06:44 GMT
Mr Magic, you win the understatement of the year award for your comment that 'TP doesn't look like a man who would do something he didn't want to'. More chance of everyone on this MB supporting Vale, I would say............ |
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Post by MrMagic on Nov 14, 2009 23:10:43 GMT
Mr Magic, you win the understatement of the year award for your comment that 'TP doesn't look like a man who would do something he didn't want to'. More chance of everyone on this MB supporting Vale, I would say............ I'm trying to present a more balanced image ;D |
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 14, 2009 23:13:32 GMT
This isn't aimed at you Sal, but it's priceless that the very same people who a couple of weeks ago were marding that TP wasn't giving Reid enough influence on tactics are now complaining about Reid ;D Not guilty of that one ;D I'd also love to know how it's worked between Pulis and Francis, I do think Tone took some of his advice last year. We had the same thing with that last year, come to think of it. "Gerry Francis is responsible for our improved defending recently" "Gerry Francis is responsible for our poor run of form" |
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Post by MrMagic on Nov 14, 2009 23:18:32 GMT
It's the difference between responsibility and accountability. As the man at the top of the slippery pole, Pulis SHOULD be seen as accountable for our results and performances.
It is his ultimate accountability to do the job he is asked to do, and ensure everyone working underneath him is delivering to that objective.
I imagine the job he's been given is to keep us in the Premier League, rather than entertain the fans, or play the players that some of us want him to play.
So far he is delivering to that accountable objective, so I suppose we should be happy.
We are 9th ferfuxsake.
Doesn't stop it being frustrating for the last two games tho ???
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Post by Roy Cropper on Nov 14, 2009 23:58:06 GMT
I think Francis is the formation man, working with the team on the two bank of four and solid defending. What Reid does i don't know? Was he appointed purely for his exeriance?
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Post by Peters Pipe on Nov 15, 2009 0:45:23 GMT
I wasn't over the moon about Reid's appointment and now we're getting reports of training ground bust-ups every week, maybe that's just a coincidence, but... What worries me just as much is the way we've lost our way tactically since Spurs, I've never rated Reid as any kind of tactician although he's not been bad getting the best out of moderate players in the past... anybody know how much tactical input he really has?? Lost our way tactically? Nothing's changed sal, we've had a couple of stinkers but nothing has changed! I'm surprised as a mod on here you're happy to pander to rumour-mongering about things that none of us will ever really know about. Reid, love him or hate him, has undeniable experience and good credentials in terms of management. As for training ground bust-ups...well it's rumour again, and as has been stated many times over, it's really not uncommon anyway and certainly not a pointer towards dressing room unrest at all. |
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Post by lancer on Nov 15, 2009 19:28:15 GMT
He could also have been influential in the win at Spurs ;D surely it can work both ways ??? . I have no idea how much input Reid has, but are we really playing that much different than before he was here ? I can't see it myself, it's pretty much the same. Tend to agree with you, serps. We certainly aren't playing any BETTER. |
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Post by jarhead on Nov 15, 2009 19:32:24 GMT
Non if you don't agree with TP your out the door.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 16, 2009 0:47:40 GMT
That useless fecker Zidane smoked too!
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Post by jonnynico on Nov 17, 2009 16:50:16 GMT
the same amount of tactical input anybody else at stoke puts in, NONE
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Post by Mr Rottweiler on Nov 17, 2009 17:11:53 GMT
He advises that Whelan, Lawrence and Tuncay start on the bench, while Rory and Huth play out of position. I think Pulis thought of those brilliant schemes long before Reid turned up. there was the rumour of Ried and Kitson having it of That's why Kits has gone? Rejected lover syndrome? |
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Post by Hiram on Nov 17, 2009 22:39:29 GMT
Johan Cruyff smoked until he had a heart attack at 40...
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