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Post by Cupid Stunt on Nov 21, 2010 2:05:32 GMT
What did Collins do wrong today? People look out for every fault he does, meanwhile Wilko will possibly make as many mistakes in a game, yet people only look for the positives. Collins has been in the defence that has seen us keep 2 clean sheets on the bounce, the last time Higgy played he was at fault for 2 goals.  |
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 21, 2010 2:12:03 GMT
What did Collins do wrong today? People look out for every fault he does, meanwhile Wilko will possibly make as many mistakes in a game, yet people only look for the positives. Collins has been in the defence that has seen us keep 2 clean sheets on the bounce, the last time Higgy played he was at fault for 2 goals. on the whole though, higgy has been by far the better out of the 2. today collins was quilty of being skinned by wingers and he didnt close them down, giving them time to put a cross in, thats asking for trouble in my book |
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Nov 21, 2010 2:16:46 GMT
Yeah but on current form, Collins doesn't deserve to be dropped, he's as steady as Higgy and he's not given away 2 goals in a game recently unlike Higgy. |
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 21, 2010 2:22:24 GMT
Yeah but on current form, Collins doesn't deserve to be dropped, he's as steady as Higgy and he's not given away 2 goals in a game recently unlike Higgy. i disagree, collins was awful today and he has been poor against liverpool, everton and sunderland, hes out of form and whenever higgy has played at left back he has done well |
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Post by est1863 on Nov 21, 2010 9:38:36 GMT
Bego: 8 Wilko : 5 Collins: 5 Huth 7 Ryan:7 Whitehead: 6 Rory: 6 JP n/a Tuncay: 6 Ethers: 5 (worst game for Stoke - good penno though) Jones: 6 Ric: 7 Walters: 7 honestly I thought its the worst we've played for ages overall passing was shocking still good attitude throughout Think your spot on mate, result really flattered us we were very poor at times sitting too deep alowing wba to play and would have been punished if they had a striker in the box on the end of all the crosses. wilko was caught out and lack of pace really showed, dont think tuncay helped him defensively as much as pennant would seems to drift in to a more central position leaving wilko exposed. |
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Post by icelandpotter on Nov 21, 2010 9:55:41 GMT
Bego - 8 - Trusting him a lot more
Wilko - 7 - Looked a bit slow, but plenty of effort and looked slightly cooler.
Ryan - 8 - Didn't do too much wrong, bit haphazard sometimes.
Huth - 8 - As above
Collins - 7 - Caught out of position a few times
Ethers - 5 - Bad game, not at the races at all
Whitehead - 7 - Box to Box plenty of running
Rory - 8 - 1 misplaced pass, quality game.
Pennant - ? - couldnt judge
Ric - 7 - Worked harder than Jonesy
KJ - 5 - Just doesn't look interested to me.
subs
Tuncay - 7 - Didn't do much wrong, lot of aaaaard work
Walters - 9 - This was just the match for Jon
Wilson - ? - can't judge
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 21, 2010 10:05:34 GMT
Bego - 8 Good display
Wilko - 7 Pretty solid
Huth - 8 The Wall!
Ryan - 8.5 Outstanding
Collins - 6.5 OK but did get done a bit
Tuncay - 7 Pretty disciplined and great ball for 2nd pen
Whitehead - 8 Box to box, covered every blade
Delap - 7 Good support for Deano
Ethers - 6 Not at his best, cool penalty
Ric - 6.5 Bit of an off day but worked really hard
KJ - 6.5 Again not great but had hand in two goals
Subs
Walters - 8 Great ten minutes
Wilson not on long enough really
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Post by nott1 on Nov 21, 2010 10:15:49 GMT
I'll go with that fella. We win 3-0 and people are very quick to throw 8's and 9's around when in truth it was a very average performance against a West Brom team who didn't turn up. if we had lost chances are they would have got 3's and 4's ;D Ever heard of punctuation? |
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Post by surreystokie on Nov 21, 2010 21:23:54 GMT
Rich, I can name a defender in the PL who (occasionally) plays it out of defence. His name is Abdoulaye and he nearly gives me a heart attack.  |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 21, 2010 21:31:09 GMT
Collins was woeful and did very little right all match long. How anyone can fail to see that is beyond me in all honesty.
He has been a weak link in the team since Bolton away, having previously been much improved. At the moment, we are carrying him.
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Post by ProudPotter17 on Nov 21, 2010 21:43:28 GMT
Begovic - 8. Faultless, some good saves but didn't get tested much.
Wilkinson - 7. Got alot of support from Tuncay/Pennant/Walters so not much to do.
Huth - 8. Dealt with Odemwinge well.
Shawcross - 9*. MOTM
Collins - 7. Didn't have much to do, looked good going on the attack
Pennant - 6. Only lasted 15 min's, but would have been harsh to give him less than 6.
Whitehead - 8. Broke up play well and also looked a danger at times going forward.
Delap 7. Broke up play well. Offered the centre backs alot of cover.
Etherington - 7. Took the penalty well and offered alot of width down the left.
Fuller - 7. Didn't get much support in the first half, lively in the second.
Jones - 8. Lovely drag-back for third goal, showed some real class yesterday.
Walters - 8
Tuncay - 8
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 11:05:49 GMT
Bego - 8 – Very confident with him between the sticks
Wilko - 7 – Another decent performance and adds much needed balance to the defence
Ryan – 7 – Steady as ever, winning most things at the back. Needs to improve distribution
Huth – 7 – Forming a great partnership with Ryan. Reliable again
Collins - 7 – Much better after a bad game last time out. Forming part of our strongest back 5
Ethers – 6 – Not his usual performance, bit off the pace
Whitehead – 7.5 – Showed his engine once again, he’s back in top form
Rory – 7 – Again, forming a great partnership with Deano. Reliable as ever
Pennant – n/a
Ric - 7 – Not at his best but still a threat
KJ - 6 – Did well to set up the third, frustrating at times
subs
Tuncay - 7 - Put a shift in again, not much end product though
Walters – 8 – Would have been a 9 but for the ‘tasche
Wilson – n/a
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 22, 2010 12:17:25 GMT
Bego - 8 – Very confident with him between the sticks Wilko - 7 – Another decent performance and adds much needed balance to the defence Ryan – 7 – Steady as ever, winning most things at the back. Needs to improve distribution Huth – 7 – Forming a great partnership with Ryan. Reliable again Collins - 7 – Much better after a bad game last time out. Forming part of our strongest back 5 Ethers – 6 – Not his usual performance, bit off the pace Whitehead – 7.5 – Showed his engine once again, he’s back in top form Rory – 7 – Again, forming a great partnership with Deano. Reliable as ever Pennant – n/a Ric - 7 – Not at his best but still a threat KJ - 6 – Did well to set up the third, frustrating at times subs Tuncay - 7 - Put a shift in again, not much end product though Walters – 8 – Would have been a 9 but for the ‘tasche Wilson – n/a I find it strange that you can give collins the same marks as huth and shawcross |
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Post by jpm64 on Nov 22, 2010 12:29:19 GMT
Begovic - 9 Wilkinson - 6 Huth - 8 Shawcross - 8 Collins -6 Whitehead - 6 Delap -7 Pennant n/a Tuncay - 9 Fuller - 7 Jones - 6 Walters - 9 Wilson n/a Says much about your footballing knowledge....... I suppose your mistake is deliberate is it ??? ??? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 12:41:43 GMT
Bego - 8 – Very confident with him between the sticks Wilko - 7 – Another decent performance and adds much needed balance to the defence Ryan – 7 – Steady as ever, winning most things at the back. Needs to improve distribution Huth – 7 – Forming a great partnership with Ryan. Reliable again Collins - 7 – Much better after a bad game last time out. Forming part of our strongest back 5 Ethers – 6 – Not his usual performance, bit off the pace Whitehead – 7.5 – Showed his engine once again, he’s back in top form Rory – 7 – Again, forming a great partnership with Deano. Reliable as ever Pennant – n/a Ric - 7 – Not at his best but still a threat KJ - 6 – Did well to set up the third, frustrating at times subs Tuncay - 7 - Put a shift in again, not much end product though Walters – 8 – Would have been a 9 but for the ‘tasche Wilson – n/a I find it strange that you can give collins the same marks as huth and shawcross I would have given Ryan an 8 but for his poor distribution. |
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 22, 2010 12:45:42 GMT
I find it strange that you can give collins the same marks as huth and shawcross I would have given Ryan an 8 but for his poor distribution. He was miles better than collins still, collins got done over for fun on the that side, surely even you could see that? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 12:46:37 GMT
I would have given Ryan an 8 but for his poor distribution. He was miles better than collins still, collins got done over for fun on the that side, surely even you could see that? He was that much of a liability we kept a clean sheet for the second game running. WD |
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Post by coggy on Nov 22, 2010 12:51:32 GMT
I would give Ryan & Huth an 8
Wilko 7.5
Collins 7
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 22, 2010 12:56:31 GMT
He was miles better than collins still, collins got done over for fun on the that side, surely even you could see that? He was that much of a liability we kept a clean sheet for the second game running. WD that doesnt tell the full story does it? Its a good job huth and ryan were solid because they had plenty of crosses to deal with |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 12:59:23 GMT
I can see why you're an intergral member of the SOC now.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 22, 2010 13:00:51 GMT
I can see why you're an intergral member of the SOC now. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Maybe you should join, most people I Know and people on here thinks collins isnt very good |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 13:02:18 GMT
I can see why you're an intergral member of the SOC now. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Maybe you should join, most people I Know and people on here thinks collins isnt very good Ok, sign me and Pulis up. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 22, 2010 14:39:34 GMT
Wilkinson’s performance against Liverpool showed just how limited a player Collins is. In two years (and £3M later) Collins hasn’t put in a performance that could touch that. Sadly they were both pretty poor on Saturday and we need two new ones. Even with that in mind though, changing your back four after two clean sheets would be as idiotic as it gets.
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 22, 2010 14:43:11 GMT
Wilkinson’s performance against Liverpool showed just how limited a player Collins is. In two years (and £3M later) Collins hasn’t put in a performance that could touch that. Sadly they were both pretty poor on Saturday and we need two new ones. Even with that in mind though, changing your back four after two clean sheets would as idiotic as it gets. Wilko wasnt at his best on sat but he did play better as the game went on. I think he is good enough to be our number 1 RB but it would be nice to have some competition for him instead of huth |
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