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Post by greyman on Jan 14, 2019 10:46:00 GMT
Nevertheless we missed a trick. I don't imagine Nathan Jones is rolling in it yet, but Rowett must have had a few quid. Maybe even enough for a left back.
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Post by greyman on Jan 14, 2019 10:27:12 GMT
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Post by greyman on Jan 12, 2019 22:31:22 GMT
That's exactly what happened. We were going backwards as a team and Rowett had lost the crowd. You seem to want everybody to have given Rowett 18 more months yet you're moaning on and on endlessly about the new guy before a ball has been kicked. The word for that is 'agenda' and other people can work out why you have it. We were not going backward as a team - we were as backward as we could possibly get before Rowett arrived. We could have only hoped that the new manager could get rid of a raft of deadwood and shite and start to build a team/squad that could actually compete in a game of football and get a semblance of team spirit back. Of which he had achieved. Halfway up the table at the midpoint with a window ahead and a manager that had had a whole half a season to look where the weaknesses were was as good as we could have possibly hoped for before a ball was kicked. He tried, as stated, to bring defenders in preseason but the transfer team failed to get any of his 1st choice deals over the line, he was publicly criticising his defence to point out to the shitty transfer team/chairman where we needed to target in the window. We may now have another manager who will need time to see what he thinks, which may result in the umpteenth window with no activity in defensive areas. We now laughably have posts popping up tonight about how it will take time to rebuild and how poor our defence actually is I have not gone on endlessly about our new guy. Yes he has only been a manager for a few years and therfore an apprentice and yes he has no experience at this level and yes I thought it was a clueless appointment. However, my main point is that he will not get time - of which he will clearly need as he is learning his trade and he has inherited a squad that needs a massive overhaul, just as Rowett did. It was always going to take time and I just thought it was rash, and again clueless, to sack a man after 1 window given the state of our club at the end of last season. And you're still in a minority of one. You must have been delighted with today's result. The point remains. You think Rowett needs a year and a half to put things right but Jones deserves to be slagged off before a ball has been kicked. As I said before, there's an agenda here but I don't know why you have it.
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Post by greyman on Jan 11, 2019 6:25:09 GMT
If I thought ... we had not improved or were showing no signs of moving forward then yes get rid. That's exactly what happened. We were going backwards as a team and Rowett had lost the crowd. You seem to want everybody to have given Rowett 18 more months yet you're moaning on and on endlessly about the new guy before a ball has been kicked. The word for that is 'agenda' and other people can work out why you have it.
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Post by greyman on Jan 10, 2019 9:48:42 GMT
Durham was slagging Jones off for leaving Luton on his slot yesterday apparently. The bloke like the show is not even slightly entertaining.I would love to know how many minutes an hour are devoted to adverts.I would guess 50 mins of advertising and 10 mins of Waffle/Shite. What annoyed me is they always moan at the so called big clubs for never giving a young English manager a chance like Eddie Howe. But as soon as a club that isn't a favourite take a chance on 2 young English managers over the last year we are 'stealing' managers from poor old Luton. Jones is Welsh
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Post by greyman on Jan 9, 2019 11:38:41 GMT
Watched an interesting interview with Eden Hazard the other day who, despite seemingly like a decent guy and vastly knowledgeable about the game, insisted he wouldn't go into coaching because attacking players didn't usually make good coaches. This was probably true of Hughes, hopefully Jones is different being a defender. Alex Ferguson and Brian Clough we're alright though. Not to mention Johann Cruyff, Jupp Heynckes and Rinus Michels.
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Post by greyman on Jan 7, 2019 11:44:03 GMT
Exactly what I was going to post.
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Shawcross
Dec 22, 2018 12:43:50 GMT
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Post by greyman on Dec 22, 2018 12:43:50 GMT
Just a couple of points. He’s Ryan Shawcross. He’s Ryan Shawcross. Oh, and he’s Ryan Shawcross. Just enjoy the fact that we still get to see an actual Stoke City legend playing in the red and white. We might never again see someone like Ryan play for us. He arrived from United, led us to promotion barely more than a boy, went toe to toe with giants of the game and epitomized what made us a Premier League force, didn’t angle for a move away - even when relegation loomed. He might not be the force he once was but he’s far from the disaster some seem to think. Ryan Shawcross has so much credit in the Bank of Stoke Legend that he could score a hat trick of own goals, buy a Vale season ticket, change his name to Arsene Ferguson Cotterill......and still be immune to criticism. That’s just the way it is with legends like Ryan. Absolutely agree with this. He needs to go before he taints people’s memory of him. It would only be for those with bloody short memories
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Post by greyman on Dec 21, 2018 19:18:51 GMT
Great watch. Don’t disagree with opinions on Rodwell personally but why should he give up a 70k pw contract because Sunderland have fucked up and not put a release clause in? If they were still in the Prem and he was being chased by a top club I don’t think they’d be so quick to rip the contract up. Maybe but he couldn't even be arsed to play for it.
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Post by greyman on Dec 21, 2018 10:22:11 GMT
It's based on form. It's in the FAQ unbeaten in 10 yet we are that low? how many games of current form do they use 100? A full year with coefficients for the status of the League and opponents
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Post by greyman on Dec 20, 2018 23:10:13 GMT
It's based on form. It's in the FAQ
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Post by greyman on Dec 18, 2018 19:36:12 GMT
Watching Rodwell is like seeing how a lottery winner spend is spare time,what a twat!,Grabban isn't someone you would want in the trenches with you but it was strange how Coleman subbed him every game after an hour winning or not?.I'd actually take a punt on Jonny Williams despite being made of fine china but he does bring somwthing different to the party. A Sunderland fan looked into Grabban's claim. Basically it was bullshit. He finished most of the games. He just didn't want to be there.
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Post by greyman on Dec 18, 2018 18:41:18 GMT
I'd like to see a rule introduced that any club two divisions or more below its opponent in the pyramid chooses whether the tie is home or away.
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Post by greyman on Dec 4, 2018 20:34:15 GMT
How Tom Pope is not seeing this
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Post by greyman on Dec 2, 2018 16:12:10 GMT
The way the season is developing I don't see us having many games where there will be anything really to play for. I am probably being over confident of our ability to avoid a relegation battle. With that said I'd go for Arsenal at home: it may be the only chance of a decent "bearpit" atmosphere for some time. Have you ever thought you might be happy 'supporting' another club?
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Post by greyman on Nov 30, 2018 9:26:08 GMT
I think everybody involved knows exactly what happened but are responding to it in ways that suit them.
Rowett: if Stoke had lost the game, he's be kicking up an almighty stink about it it. But because we won, best to move on and get on with the next match.
Allen: similar. Will let FA off the hook to some extent because they may have had to look at a very length ban to avoid future challenges about biting not to mention whinging from Liverpool and Suarez.
Ref: worried that he missed it so included in match report
Lampard: completely cynical. Knew exactly what had happened by half time so hauled Johnson off but now claiming he knew nothing and instead relying on reaction of Allen and Rowett to get his player off the hook.
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Post by greyman on Nov 22, 2018 15:49:33 GMT
What was that? Did a good job for us but behaves like a cunt? Also backed up by facts.
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Post by greyman on Nov 20, 2018 7:08:36 GMT
I have as much idea as you do. None
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Post by greyman on Nov 19, 2018 19:38:21 GMT
Yeah, well I think you see what you want to see and no amount of facts will change your mind. I note that you completely ignored the fact he played 163 times for Barcelona including dozens of games in the Champions League. But then that doesn't fit with your opinions does it? Well done for keeping on trying to argue that he's not as good as Peter Beagrie as well. As far as opinions go that's definitely an opinion. His next port of call after Barcelona wasn't SoT either, was it? Wikipedia says 104 appearances, presumably many as a sub Try again. Presumably, what?
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Post by greyman on Nov 19, 2018 14:49:15 GMT
Like in the 163 games he played for Barcelona? That VERY short period of time? And Beagrie is better is he? Played fewer games for us and scored fewer goals and all in the second division. Provided just as many if not more skillfull moments as did Greenhoff as did Fuller etc etc etc. Bang the drum all you want but to try and peddle the theory that Bojan is under appreciated is ridiculous in my opinion. The opposite is true from what I saw. ... and none of that is to say he isnt a decent player and seemingly a very nice chap. (and if his time at Barca was anything like a success I doubt very much that his next port of call would be SoT.) Yeah, well I think you see what you want to see and no amount of facts will change your mind. I note that you completely ignored the fact he played 163 times for Barcelona including dozens of games in the Champions League. But then that doesn't fit with your opinions does it? Well done for keeping on trying to argue that he's not as good as Peter Beagrie as well. As far as opinions go that's definitely an opinion. His next port of call after Barcelona wasn't SoT either, was it?
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Post by greyman on Nov 19, 2018 12:22:33 GMT
I've been watching Stoke for over 60 years. In that run of games before his injury at Rochdale, Bojan was showing the best form of any player we have had at the club since Hudson. No ifs, no buts, no maybe's. Had he not got injured and had he maintained that form, he would have been long gone from the club - leaving us with some wonderful memories - and a very large amount of money! I think Mark Chamberlain did stuff far in excess of Bojan for example - Beagrie too and there were others. The whole point about Bojan is that as he had proved at many other clubs pre injury he is incapable of making a sustained impact. Nice while it happened but it happened for a VERY short period of time. Like in the 163 games he played for Barcelona? That VERY short period of time? And Beagrie is better is he? Played fewer games for us and scored fewer goals and all in the second division.
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Post by greyman on Nov 19, 2018 10:18:00 GMT
And yet again, for those who think one of these three was not very good and the other two didn't want to be here.
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Post by greyman on Nov 19, 2018 10:01:20 GMT
Isn’t the great Bojan myth that he ever came close to contributing to the level that Arnie or even Shaq did? Hes had some good games but sadly it’s been blown out of all proportion. I've been watching Stoke for over 60 years. In that run of games before his injury at Rochdale, Bojan was showing the best form of any player we have had at the club since Hudson. No ifs, no buts, no maybe's. Had he not got injured and had he maintained that form, he would have been long gone from the club - leaving us with some wonderful memories - and a very large amount of money! Exactly
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Post by greyman on Nov 19, 2018 7:28:02 GMT
Two of them didn't want to be here and the other one wasn't anywhere near as good as we all hoped he'd be. That’s the truth Trouble is to many can’t see it or want to And there's the great Bojan myth getting another airing. For a while until his injury, he was outstanding for us.
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Post by greyman on Nov 16, 2018 13:17:26 GMT
Does this count as a derby? The good news is that if they win, it's our u21s. But if we win, it's our u21s!
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Post by greyman on Nov 9, 2018 17:38:36 GMT
Hmm... unreserved apology... no. Basically he’s saying what he has been told to say. Hopefully plans are afoot to get rid in january. Why should he apologise to the absolute moronic section of his own fans who abused him? He hasn't and nor should he. But this isn't enough given that he's dragged the IRA into it himself.
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Post by greyman on Nov 9, 2018 14:08:10 GMT
With regards to the Poppy and his refusal to wear it you're right, but I don't think he suddenly became an Irish Republican because he read about Bloody Sunday. He'll be an Irish Republican because of what has happened in Ireland across the centuries and how it affected the community he is a part of. Which was my point, no history is "irrelevant" because it happened a long time ago, history defines communities and their views today, often because we still feel the effects. No Unionists were alive during the Battle of the Boyne yet they celebrate it every year. The Irish famine is a case in point, to most of us it was a historical event, to the people of Ireland it's still an incredibly emotional subject with palpable effects today. As is the murdering of innocent men, women and children in pubs, parks and shopping centres in living memory in England by craven cowards! Not just England. The people who bore the brunt of the IRA were the Irish.
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Post by greyman on Nov 9, 2018 12:44:24 GMT
Ireland has half the population it had before the famine....it's effects are still very much felt today. To say that something happened a long time ago and is therefore irrelevant is absolutely ridiculous. You think many Republican irish such as McClean feel the way they do based solely on what happened in the last 50 years? The workings of the Irish mind are a complete mystery to me and many others and to keep harping on about the British and what they did in the past BUT ARE NOT DOING NOW makes it time to forget in my mind. I would just like Northern Ireland to join up with the rest and live their own lives separate from us on their own little island.We don't need them! Oh, but Mrs Browns boys are always welcome! Mrs Brown's Boys? That unfunny twat is the only person I'd boo if he came to Stoke.
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Post by greyman on Nov 9, 2018 9:54:21 GMT
The main point is that all these things happened a very long time ago and have no relevance to today but is perpetuated by some people for reasons of their own! History doesn’t matter? Fair enough. History does matter and people should know its lessons. One of the most important is that you shouldn't insist on punishing people endlessly for the sins of their ancestors. We've forgiven the Germans for World War 2 (most of us) yet masochists want us all to bear responsibility for things that happened 200 years ago and longer. You might disagree, but first off get in touch with Mama Sidibe to chew him out about Mansa Musa.
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Post by greyman on Nov 9, 2018 9:50:16 GMT
Your only get out here is that your comments have been taken out of context.....but because you were replying to me that context was my previous post
That post detailed how the biggest loss of life on both sides were innocent civilians. More Civilians were killed by Loyalist Paramilitaries and The British forces combined. The statement more Catholics were killed by the IRA than British forces ignores the collusion between Loyalists and the British state...the collusion that our Prime Minister apologised for in 2012. So the UVF/UDA were only semi independent operators. But then again if you know your Irish history you already know that. So If I get your point of view,it is that because a part of the historical conflict spilled over into England "They" had declared war on "us" and at this point the causalities inflicted on the civilian community by the British/UVF/UDA had less of a moral burden associated with it than the murder of civilians by the IRA. By extension you say that most British people have no issue with the UVF and see the IRA as being the main issue, and so again, by extension its ok in England to sing songs about fucking the IRA because that's the way folk feel and that negates my view that to sing it is sectarian given the large number of civilians who were killed using the concept of fucking the IRA as cover- people can make their own mind up which of us right- I know I cant convince you .
I also know you wont withdraw your comment but even having heard your explanation I find your use of the two words "no equivalence" discussing the civilian deaths on one side of a sectarian war to be chilling and abhorrent
And for the record you misinterpret my Views on McClean- I want him out of the club. But I also want people who sing sectarian songs ejected from the ground and banned
Killings carried out by each Group by Community: (Only groups who killed 25 or more people are shown) Organisation Total Killings Protestant Catholic Not from NI IRA 1696 (49%) 790 338 568 UVF 396 (11%) 89 265 42 British Army 299 (9%) 32 258 9 (unknown loyalist) 212 (6%) 50 212 7 UFF 149 (4%) 17 132 0 INLA 110 (3%) 55 33 22 UDA 102 (3%) 41 58 3 (unknown) 77 27 42 8 RUC 56 9 44 3 Official IRA 51 7 24 20 PAF (loyalist) 37 0 37 0 'Real' IRA 29 11 13 5 (others) 117 27 87 Source:http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html This sort of thing doesn't help. The whole reason these things persist is the endless 'well the only reason we did that is because you did this'. I'd bang the heads of four year olds arguing like this, never mind religiously minded bigots.
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