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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 22:00:59 GMT
If defence and terrorism are your main concerns waggy, I'd avoid May personally. Her party has laid off 20,000 police officers since 2010, and is big mates with Saudi Arabia, which proliferates the very conservative branch of Islam - Wahhabism - all over the world and here in Blighty. That branch is the one associated with most of the recent acts of Islamic terrorism you've heard about Otherwise you can vote for a clown who supported the Murderous regime of the IRA, Hamas and Hezebollah (both militant Islamic groups) and will no doubt condone terrorist attacks against the UK because they are as much against the notions of freedom, democracy and western civilisation that Commie Corbyn is... If you'd prefer to vote for fewer police officers and a cosy relationship with the world's number one government backer of Islamist terrorism, then fill your boots mate And if you think a track record of supporting stuff like the Afghan mujahideen, the Libyan rebels, General Pinochet, the Khmer Rouge, Saddam Hussein, Ayatollah Khomeini and apartheid South Africa is superior to Mr Corbyn's record then, again, get stuck in
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 20:40:51 GMT
There's nothing worse than politicians bickering at each other when there are real issues that need addressing out in the country. Well done Theresa May for staying firm and campaigning at the doorstep where it really matters. So called TV debates are hollow and empty and frankly a waste of time. When will broadcasters ever learn? Did tonight move the debate on? Of course not. And it won't have swung any voters. Keep telling yourself that mate
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 17:58:38 GMT
Really?!? His "presentation" has been a shambles. Leaked a week early, the figures don't add up and a flagship policy launched live and he absolutely floundered on the the very first question of "how much"? Not to mention Abbott. Are you sure your floating voters have just joined the very British 'backing the underdog' bandwagon. If they seriously like his policies they need to watch this The IFS's independent assessment. 41 billion being "optimistic" not the 48 billion from McDonut. No costing for the 4 new bank holidays which is about 10 billion. No guarantee to rake in the 6.5 billion from tax avoidance. Historical proof that taxing the super rich doesn't bring in more revenue the same as raising corp tax doesn't. etc, etc. Have you seen the other side of that assessment? The Tories are panned. Just as Brexit was panned. But I forgot experts should only be considered experts when they suit an agenda. At all other times they're just "enemies of the people" and "remoaners". Top post.
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 17:57:18 GMT
2 weeks ago i was All May Now im 50/50 May losing my appeal and corbyn gaining. If corbyn was strong on defence and terroism oh and didnt befriend terroists he would certainly get my vote. Anybody else getting undecided If defence and terrorism are your main concerns waggy, I'd avoid May personally. Her party has laid off 20,000 police officers since 2010, and is big mates with Saudi Arabia, which proliferates the very conservative branch of Islam - Wahhabism - all over the world and here in Blighty. That branch is the one associated with most of the recent acts of Islamic terrorism you've heard about
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 17:47:47 GMT
If anything most of the floating voters who are now voting Labour I know, have it the other way around,, they don't really like Corbyn but have reacted to his policy presentation. Because they're the only party to do it effectively. Tories completely barking up the wrong tree, and May is looking more and more robotic by the hour. Really?!? His "presentation" has been a shambles. Leaked a week early, the figures don't add up and a flagship policy launched live and he absolutely floundered on the the very first question of "how much"? Not to mention Abbott. Are you sure your floating voters have just joined the very British 'backing the underdog' bandwagon. If they seriously like his policies they need to watch this The IFS's independent assessment. 41 billion being "optimistic" not the 48 billion from McDonut. No costing for the 4 new bank holidays which is about 10 billion. No guarantee to rake in the 6.5 billion from tax avoidance. Historical proof that taxing the super rich doesn't bring in more revenue the same as raising corp tax doesn't. etc, etc. Extraordinary how the siamese twin rogermedown can continue to complain about costings when May hasn't got any at all
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 17:45:10 GMT
The You Gov model this morning suggested a hung parliament. I agree its still a bit of a longshot but the game has most certainly changed these past few weeks. I think our 'good friend' (spit) Nigel puts it quite well For all Nigel's detractors he once again demonstrates his almost unique statesmanlike quality. He's dedicated his entire political life to extricating us from the EUSSR yet isn't afraid to praise those who may undo his life's work or, indeed, criticise those who should be delivering it easily... To be fair, on the performance of this election, he's probably sided with an increasing number of swing voters in thinking that May is less strong and stable, more wrong and unable She can't debate Jeremy Corbyn, much less the heavyweight bullies at the EU. In fact she can't even negotiate her own manifesto Perhaps Nige has therefore decided that Corbyn is far better equipped to deliver the life's work than May
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 17:06:21 GMT
Jesus, mate - they are backing Brexit. What more do you want from them? They're not really though, are they? Neither are the Tories. We're going to get shafted over just like we said we would all along. Brexit was the one thing that got the average Joe/Jill of this country engaged... And we voted for the 'wrong' outcome, so therefore they're going to shaft us. Some of us saw this coming from the beginning, there's no chance they were really going to let us get our own way. As someone who voted Leave as well, I wouldn't disagree with any of that mate. But if - IF - Brexit does get scuppered, it will be forces far greater than either May or Corbyn that make that happen. I'm talking about banks, multinationals, the super-rich. The sort of cunts that really run the show. That's outside our sphere of control. All we can do is effect things within our sphere of control, and next Thursday we have a choice of how to do that. One side has echoed almost word for word your earlier post about neoliberal economics and its ill effects on those at the bottom. The other side introduced neoliberalism in the first place and is still committed to that programme. And is far more a friend to those aforementioned banks, multinationals and super rich than option A. All we can do really is individually play the odds as to which party will get closest to what we want to achieve and vote accordingly. Fair dos whatever your decision. Vote in hope, have no regrets
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 16:15:48 GMT
Another scintillating performance from Chicken in Bath Apparently she can't face Corbyn tonight because she's too busy dealing with Brexit. Her fifth excuse on the matter. Much hilarity from journalists of all sides on Twitter Fucking useless and gutless. I'm glad you find it funny, Sheikhster. Personally I find it shit. Mrs. May is proving herself to be more clueless by the day, unyet she'll still end up winning easily. Labour, and especially Mr. Corbyn should be hanging their heads in shame. If they'd just backed Brexit like most of their core voter base, and leader had for most of his life, they'd have won this election by the biggest landslide in history, and most of the country would have been over the moon. Instead we're going to be lumbered with years more of Tory rule. Jesus, mate - they are backing Brexit. What more do you want from them? If Corbyn had backed Leave this time last year, he'd have been ousted long before the referendum in a coup by his own MPs. And he most certainly wouldn't have won this election (which wouldn't even be being fought, incidentally) by a landslide.
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 16:02:59 GMT
Charities are reportedly being “gagged” by the Government from speaking out about “damaging” social care plans. A chief executive of a major charity told the Guardian they felt “muzzled” by legislation passed in 2014, which prevents charities from lobbying the Government in the run-up to an election. linkThats weak even for you, the article itself actually gives the example of Greenpeace, if they registered as a third party campaigning organisation they can say what the fuck they want. The truth is more likely all these charidee CEOs on large 6 figure salaries are more concerned about themselves. The truth is that you'll defend literally anything to do with the Tories. Whether you believe it or not. followyoublindly If the Tories or Guido Fawkes aren't paying you for your efforts then I really think you ought to ask questions about why hard work doesn't pay under a Tory government
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 13:52:25 GMT
No, but it is customary to give a new leader and P.M. at least 18/24 months to impress the public in office so the likely election date for Tory leader was in 2018. That was Blair's problem! As soon as announced he wouldn't stand for re-election it set off competition to replace him. As soon as a P.M. announces they're going whenever it weakens his/her authority massively! So, my point is valid! Chicken May to avoid upsetting loons such as yourself hid away during the Referendum campaign so as not to damage her c/v? You don't have a valid point you're just making more shit up to deflect from the last load of shit you made up Hey Cockers, you're not down in South East Cornwall are you? The only thing worse than anti-semitism is supporters of anti-semitic parties like the National Front using anti-semitism to score points
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 13:18:38 GMT
Crap! Most people thought Remain would win including most Brexiters. Cameron had already announced he wouldn't fight the next election. Everyone in the Tory Party was prepared for a contest with Osborne favourite to be P.M. B.B.C. 24th March 2015: "David Cameron has told the BBC he will not serve a third term as prime minister if the Conservatives remain in government after the general election." Caught out lying again Dr. Goebbels! Correct he said wouldn't fight the "next election" in....... 2020. But somehow you thought there was going to be a "leadership election the following year " after the EU ref??? 2017?? Why?? Anyway, I know you're talking pure bollocks because **************'s liking your chin dribble. I assume you're referring to me as ************** again. Have you ever thought of seeing your doctor for your paranoid delusions? The wonderful thing is that your posts are getting increasingly angry and desperate in tone. It's nice to see You're panicking, along with the rest of Tory HQ. Which if I'm honest, you don't need to. She'll still win, fear not And if she doesn't, you can always blame the blacks again
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 12:41:47 GMT
That does not surprise me in the slightest. And that would have been hard work but a fun/social job with a real buzz and energy and lots of young people about in the City. Imagine what it must be like trying to persuade a member of the indigenous population to bath some cantankerous octogenarian in a grim care home in the arse end of Slough, it would be impossible. Still no one has explained to my satisfaction how the new Points System will work where essentially we would only take skilled and more highly paid workers. Who is going to do the work, the real work, the hard work, the work that requires above all else enthusiasm!? You think these foreigners coming here are doing it 'cos they're just such lovely & enthusiastic people with a deep rooted love of helping Great Britain? They're here because to them the wages & conditions are far better than they can get at home. Big companies love to exploit this, as do farmers & such like. It lets them offer absolute peanuts on shit contracts in shit conditions, knowing that for the natives it isn't a living wage, but they don't care, they've got an endless supply of cheap foreign workers... And if the foreign workers don't like the shit pay & shit contracts it's okay, there's always more foreigners who will. British workers have the temerity to want a living wage on a guaranteed contract, well fuck them when someone from Poland will work for less pay on a shit contract... Oh what's that you say, now Romanian's can come here, wow, brilliant. Fuck the Polish people off now, the Romainians will work for even less pay on even shitter contracts... And of course, if they complain, there are some even poorer people who'll work for even less on even shitter contracts. Who benefits from massive immigration? The rich business owners do certianly, they know they can give out all the shit contracts they want now they've got a never ending supply of cheap labour. The immigrants benefit 'cos they earn more money than they would at home. Who suffers? The poor British natives & native working classes who can either accept shit pay, on shit contracts or lose their job... But of course, they're all just lazy really & should be deamonised & blamed for all our problems. Heaven fore-fucking-bid these big business & such like actually have to start paying proper wages on proper contracts. Mass-immigration fucks over the working class Brit & no-one else. Ironic that Labour, the supposed voice of the working class Brit, want more & more & more immigration. The overwhelming majority of this is absolutely correct and perfectly encapsulates one of the central problems with neoliberal economic hegemony. This was actually echoed by Jeremy Corbyn the other night too Your final line about Labour isn't necessarily true - Corbyn has said immigration would "probably" fall under Labour. Which is at least more honest in its ambiguity than Blair, Brown, Cameron and May, who have all broken concrete promises It's also worth pointing out that working class Brits aren't the only ones who get demonised; immigrants get it too, not least on the EE Board. It's classic divide and rule from the establishment
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Post by manmarking on May 30, 2017 18:12:53 GMT
She's not really convincing people of this One Nation, patrty for all is she. So people from a generation who all won trophies for taking part, got told they were special everyday, have never been told no in their short lives & believe everyone ride around on unicorns; vote Labour. People from a generation who faught wars for this country, spent their entire lives striving to make the country better, and have a lifetimes experience of all the shit life can throw at you, have heard all the promises before and just want what's best for their grandkids; vote Tory. So no one under the age of 24 has ever faught [sic] wars for this country, tdc? None of them has spent their entire lives striving to make the country better? None of them has experience of all the shit life can throw at you? None has heard all the promises before? None wants what's best for their offspring? What an absolutely braindead, misanthropic, establishment thing to say. You sound like an angry, bitter old man seeping into your incontinence pad as you while away the giro in Spoons over a copy of the Racing Post. Which is all too typical of your recent output
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Post by manmarking on May 30, 2017 11:28:37 GMT
It will affect the ordinary guy in positive ways but of course you elect not to highlight those because they don't suit your agenda. And with all due respect, you're not basing your economic forecast on anything concrete. Which is largely because a) you don't understand economics and b) the facts and history wouldn't support your model anyway I do understand it. In some cases Lower corporate tax can increase investment in the same way higher corporate taxes can decrease investment. The IFS Does allude to this; Corporation tax is ultimately paid by people Under current plans, corporation tax receipts are set to form a smaller, and possibly decreasing, proportion of receipts in the future. This is not necessarily a concern. It has long been recognised that corporate income taxes can distort incentives in a number of harmful ways, and they are thought to have a particularly damaging effect on economic growth.[10] Corporate tax is top of an OECD ranking of the most damaging types of tax.[11] One concern may be over the distributional consequences of lower corporation taxes. Corporation tax can reduce the return to company shareholders (for example through lower dividends). This will affect not only individuals with direct holdings but also those with private pensions since most pension funds will be at least somewhat invested in UK corporate equities (i.e. shares). However, an important feature of corporation tax is that the ultimate burden is not necessarily entirely borne by company shareholders. It can be borne by workers. In short, if firms decide to respond to higher corporation tax rates by doing less investment in the UK, that leaves UK employees with fewer job opportunities and lower average wages. Evidence suggests that, because capital tends to be much more mobile than workers, a significant share of the burden of corporation tax tends to get shifted to labour.[12] Corporation tax can also be borne by consumers if firms respond by increasing the prices they charge. Overall, because of these factors, the distributional impact of a cut to corporation tax is not clear. In addition, what matters for welfare is the distributional consequences of the whole tax and benefit system, not any individual part of it. Within one post you've gone from certainty - "it will" - to ambiguity and leaning on the IFS - "it can". Have you ever considered a career as Leader of the Conservative Party?
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Post by manmarking on May 30, 2017 11:22:24 GMT
Full transcript to be fair it is hard to cost how much free unicorns cost Oh look, Guido Fawkes!
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Post by manmarking on May 30, 2017 11:15:58 GMT
The angle i'm concerned about, and it's more of a concern because it's a grey area for me (and a lot of others to be fair) is what impact will a hike in corporation tax and a raise in the minimum wage do for the economic climate in this country as we embark on Brexit? Take the two in isolation and it will be as popular as handing out ten pound notes on the street. Everyone likes seeing the nasty corporations get hammered and we all love a pay rise. Put them all together and what will it do for companies looking to invest, or more importantly looking to get out of the country at this time of sheer uncertainty? Is it a genuine point of concern going past the here and now and looking into the mid term future? A company (especially small local ones) that face an increase in corporation tax will have to pass that on. Prices go up Wages don't go up as much For larger companies it affects investment meaning less returns on pensions funds So yes it will affect the ordinary guy. It will affect the ordinary guy in positive ways but of course you elect not to highlight those because they don't suit your agenda. And with all due respect, you're not basing your economic forecast on anything concrete. Which is largely because a) you don't understand economics and b) the facts and history wouldn't support your model anyway
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Post by manmarking on May 30, 2017 9:19:05 GMT
When we reach the point where (the majority of the sane, peaceful, hardworking, underpaid core) switch off because all options have unpalatable flaws then we've really hit a baseline. As I've said a few times now - It'll have to be May simply to get BREXIT done. I really don't care how it's done, we just have to get a proper divorce and soon. Seems there's still a lot that don't get where the Globalists are taking us!! IMO mainland Europe will be unrecognisable within a generation. The thought of coalition of Lib/Lab/SNP/Greens headed by Jezza with the Nuke codes is all I need to make the choice - but I get why some might get seduced by the Jezza's dreamy utopia. A choice of the least worst and where May is head and shoulders above.. I think you're romanticising the past here, mate. There's never been an election in history where none of the options had unpalatable flaws. That's the nature of electing human beings. It's always been a case of weighing up which option (person or party) you think has the most pluses. Or, by extension, the fewest minuses. Believe it or not, people will look back on these times and lament the passing of such great politicians one day Just to be clear on the facts, the coalition thing has been rubbished by all major players and is unlikely to happen. They're miles apart on too many policies. But if Brexit is the thing that matters to you most, then clearly you should vote whichever way your conscience tells you. If you feel Theresa May has shown herself to be the best person to effect the best outcome to Brexit then fair dos
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 22:22:38 GMT
May calls a general election and can't with 10 days to go can't tell us where the cap on social care will be set, how many pensioners will lose their Winter Fuel Payment. What an utterly deceitful Chicken! I think deceitful is attending a commemeration for the IRA and then pretending it was for everyone killed in the troubles. Quite clear on social care and winter fuel going to consultation and will then decide, Labour are promising unicorns for everyone so the choice is there for everyone. Good strawmen mate. No one will ever notice I was concerned you hadn't mentioned the IRA for a bit. There was a risk people were forgetting Some extra Scare Miles from Tory HQ for you. You'll be able to afford those Theresa May commemorative scissors soon. 'Guaranteed to cut for a lifetime or your money back' etc
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 22:07:01 GMT
rogerjonesisnotsurprising Technically it was Thatcher who indirectly backed bin Laden. Just for the record, like
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 21:49:16 GMT
You keep on saying lies but like your leadership show us your evidence Trident, the Queen, the IRA I could go on. You could go on? That's all you ever do, mate Hasn't guido or yer man Hodges got a prepackaged snippet you can post about the IRA? It's been at least a page
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 21:42:03 GMT
Old bloke who questioed her on care says he'd vote for her, the small business owner previously a labour voter says he'd vote for her. Well fuck me sideways, that's a comprehensive win then
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 21:26:42 GMT
Notice how many Tories are on line defending her No need to defend her, she did fine.
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 20:52:19 GMT
Notice how many Tories are on line defending her Just noticed this as well. Damage control ramped up to eleven. They don't like it up em, lads. Strong and st...oh no, wait. Powderpuff shite
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 20:40:23 GMT
Cant answer questions on police cuts, hasn't said anything about extra numbers or costs Dementia tax again not answering the question, set, wont again explain costs wont say what cap will be again not clear on figures Again not giving figures for her manifesto she looks like rabbit in headlights she looks rattled on NHS She's wank mate. As strong and stable as liquid shit. Amusing that people are starting to see her for what she really is. Namely, someone who couldn't negotiate her way out of a revolving door
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 20:33:29 GMT
In my opinion Corbin is coming across well against public questions. And i'm not his fan I particular like the one where he lies again about his IRA commeration Illiterate. Have you been drinking, fella? You don't seem yourself
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 20:07:56 GMT
Tory Britain 2017 Don't be complicit in any more of these deaths. BBC propaganda at its finest Are you calling that woman a liar, mate? Saying she doesn't really exist? An actor? Please explain
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 19:57:51 GMT
2.9 million of them by you and fyd
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 19:49:35 GMT
Plenty of evidence out there sunshine. You of course refuse to look. Why are you voting Tory by the way? If there was any evidence you would have provided it and Jeremy wouldn't have needed to do his oh I just remembered I did meet the IRA act. I'm voting Tory because I have a problem with lying IRA sympathasing scum. Judging by the reaction of the Labour canvassers this morning they must be getting a fair bit of that as they didn't even ask why when I said No, but then again next door had just told them not in this lifetime or the next "IRA sympathising scum". Lol. As if Jeremy has anything whatsoever to do with you not voting Labour Deary me, fyd, you're losing your veneer of fusty, snobbish, insulated detachment in this dickless panic to smear the antichrist. Such emotive, irrational language. Take a deep breath. Relax. Your beloved old boiler will get over the line. It just might not be as convincing as it once seemed, what with the Conservative campaign being such a fucking abortion
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 14:24:07 GMT
In other news, Macron rolls out the red carpet for Putin at the Palace of Versailles for "one on one" talks. A different approach to when Macron accused Ms Le Pen of being “subject to the diktats of Mr Putin” when Le Pen was ahead in the polls? "We are being vigilant about any attempts by foreign powers to influence this election,” said a senior French intelligence official.
Maybe the intelligence official was watching the wrong candidate? Lôl
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Post by manmarking on May 29, 2017 14:12:59 GMT
Where's this place you call home then, where WASP's live in harmony, answer PaulSpencers question? He's full of shit. He's got Fegg Hayes written all over him. Technically, I think he's probably got racist tattoos written all over him
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