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Post by manmarking on Jun 11, 2017 8:23:15 GMT
one of my lads texted me that their manifesto is 'the old testament with bin collections every fortnight' Nowt wrong with the old testament , maybe us Christians should follow it to the letter we could compete with the followers of the Quran , bin collections every fortnight is not good enough though . 'Us Christians'? You're about as Christian as a frozen cake, you tool
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Post by manmarking on Jun 11, 2017 8:19:19 GMT
So in answer to my question, no thought not In answer to yours, I'm not **************, and I didn't make predictions on anything so narrow and specific Okay, here's one I made Your beloved old boiler will get over the line. It just might not be as convincing as it once seemed, what with the Conservative campaign being such a fucking abortion
Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/user/17526/recent?page=2#ixzz4jgD7shSL
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Post by manmarking on Jun 11, 2017 8:12:09 GMT
Have you ever posted anything that's correct, todge? Well the pound was doing well until that exit poll came out. Soubry and Farelly went through multiple recounts. Come on then **************, why don't you post your own prediction telling us how Corbyn would take Kensington ?? So in answer to my question, no thought not In answer to yours, I'm not **************, and I didn't make predictions on anything so narrow and specific
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Post by manmarking on Jun 11, 2017 7:33:05 GMT
This is the same $#!t that did for Margaret & Major. It's the Tory obsession. Now go & have a look in the back of your closet & under your bed & see if you can find your b%!!%#&$ & spine, then go to the mirror & take a good look at yourselfXx Closet check, spine check, mirror check, a new May Hammond manifesto check, Brexit mandate check, 4 million UKIP voters check, SNP to lose a couple of seats Lib Dems to gain a few Labour to lose a load check, sun's shining check. Have I missed anything? That went well for you, todger
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Post by manmarking on Jun 11, 2017 7:26:08 GMT
So we've had two years of Corbyn saga. Getting told give him a chance. He can win the electorate. Now it's "not weely weely fair boo hoo" that may calls an election Corbyn supporters chickens coming home to roost. The Labour Party are shitting bricks
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Post by manmarking on Jun 11, 2017 7:22:59 GMT
Well well. The sun is shining, the pound is doing the opposite of a North Korean missile and heading skywards and all of the other parties are desperately trying to figure out what the fuck to do. Just setting off for a short break in the Cotswolds, not far from our ex-right honourable old friend from Whitney as a matter of fact and I've just realised this will be the end for Soubry and Farrelly et al. Does it get any better than this? Have you ever posted anything that's correct, todge?
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Post by manmarking on Jun 11, 2017 7:21:12 GMT
Cockers I know you've only got half a brain mate but nobody on here is saying May got a landslide. Thatcher said once you resort to personal insults you've lost the argument. How do you feel about an alliance with the DUP? Do they reflect your views and standards? What did Thatcher say about people who never had an argument in the first place, mate?
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Post by manmarking on Jun 11, 2017 0:43:45 GMT
It's Theresa all the way for me and bring on the next General Election in 6 months time! Don't want to run the risk of a Tory leader anyone can actually stand, or remotely trust... Nobody liked Corbyn , you just need to make a load of giveaway promises you know will bankrupt the country Go and read a book about John Maynard Keynes, mate. Then come back and pretend you understand the first thing about economics
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Post by manmarking on Jun 10, 2017 19:27:57 GMT
Well according to Rodger its guilt by association so of course he wont be voting tory again now they are in league with northern Ireland terrorists But they're the good terrorists right?
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Post by manmarking on Jun 10, 2017 15:37:43 GMT
It's no more in the National Interest now than it was after the Brexit vote when it was ruled out, than it was when May took over when it was ruled out, than it was at Christmas when she ruled it and it was last month when she ruled it out. It's pure cynicism. Dear Labour hard left we'd like to introduce you to the electorate prepare for a slap down. Still waiting here, mate
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Post by manmarking on Jun 10, 2017 15:36:11 GMT
What a completely cynical lie of a reason for calling an election. What a horrible, filthy, lying, harridan. It's awesome news. I have already lit a celebratory cigar... More years of economic growth and stability. Just awesome news. Best thing I heard politically since The Trumpster came to power. Dear Old Baroness Thatcher will be so proud of her prodigy. JUST AWESOME AWESOME news. Oops
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Post by manmarking on Jun 10, 2017 15:35:11 GMT
Why do you think the real reason is they wont discuss any issues with him, Salop? Not one, zilch, just 'strong and stable leadershi'p and pretty atrocious personal attacks particularly from the clown masquerading as foreign secretary. It would seem to an outside observer that they're on pretty shaky ground on the real issues wouldn't it. Social Care/Pensions/Zero hours contracts/job insecurity/there own chaotic Brexit plans/their own abysmal borrowing record/the environment/schools funding etc. etc. etc. So far, 8 days in, the Tories have actually said nothing about any of the above (bar 'vote for us and I'll deliver a secret Brexit'). Crosby in cahoots with the Murdoch empire is making mugs of the entire nation and the Turkey's just keep wandering towards it like drugged up foul in a Bernard Matthews abattoir! Because it's a running joke. The country thinks he's a joke so they don't have to do anything. Just keep the joke going. You may think I'm being funny but it has some legs. He's like the team losing 4-0 when the fans sing we will score 5. Teams never score 5 That's what the sensible right have been saying for two years. You need serious opposition to government. Corbyn isn't or never has been serious opposition. He has no traditional support, his MPs dont support him just the hard core left. You don't win the electorate like that If labour had elected a serious contender for PM not just a maverick with some extreme left views, his IRA connections etc you would see a different campaign. Blair did have a senior moment today where he spoke some truth in that Corbyn should be campaigning on how to mimimise damage and get labour back together. Unfortunately as most of the country don't support Corbyn and won't vote for him the tories don't need policy statements they just keep hammering their opponent. It's not right and proper but it's the gift the £3 activists gave them. Same as UKIP. Farage had some humour and charisma (policy aside) and attracted decent enough support for a small new party. They replace him with Nuttall who "looks like a neanthral NF thug in country attire" and the tories scoop up the UKIP voters who dont like him. I will be interested to read the Tory manifesto You got the Ukip bit right
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Post by manmarking on Jun 2, 2017 9:23:13 GMT
Yet May went against her principles and long held views to lead us into Leave. Let me guess: she's somehow not a hypocrite? We voted leave. Wether politicians like it or not their mandate is to guide us through brexit. You don't go into a car show room and say. "I love that car I'm leaving with it regardless.... let's talk money" So you do nt accept a shit brexit deal. If the deal is not right you go with what's in place. She is dead right on that. Of course compromise is necessary but not at all costs Which doesn't answer my question at all. Is she not a hypocrite too?
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Post by manmarking on Jun 2, 2017 9:16:27 GMT
She wasn't the PM when she was campaigning to remain was she? Bit like Jeremy then, really no she wasnt but she has accepted the democratic will of the people and started to get on with the job As has Corbyn. I'm really not sure what you're getting at
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Post by manmarking on Jun 2, 2017 7:54:18 GMT
Yet May went against her principles and long held views to lead us into Leave. Let me guess: she's somehow not a hypocrite? she's the current PM so had to start to deliver what the people in a democracy voted to do, god help us if some of those yellow bellied fuckers get in and turn their arses around ready to be shafted by junker again She wasn't the PM when she was campaigning to remain was she? Bit like Jeremy then, really
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Post by manmarking on Jun 2, 2017 7:45:53 GMT
Because it's one big fit up? Corbyn is gaining ground and is suddenly electable? Ruthlessly efficient Tories are suddenly inept at elections? None of it rings true to me and it's all designed to scupper Brexit. Corbyn and company are rising in the polls and are being very kindly treated by the media in comparison to the Tories, witness the TV "debate" the other night. I said calling the election might backfire on May because all the other anti Brexit parties would stick together. Add to that the student fee bribe and May seeming to fuck over pensioners and that's another reason for her lead being reduced. I can't believe people are suddenly taking Labour seriously; they are worse now than when Milliband was leader. This is contrived and will lead to a shambles of a government who will cave in to EU demands. Corbyn has stated that "there should be no upper level of immigration" so why would he argue against free movement? May's stated reason for calling this election (to push through Brexit despite opposition parties) doesn't ring true to me, but if it is on the level she's doing her best to fuck it up completely. In no way has Corbyn been fairly treated, he has been the laughing stock of politics for ages. He has had a really rough ride and guess what? He's still there. He is definitely a lot stronger than some people give him credit, most would have walked away. His refusal to get involved in slanging matches may appear weak, but it's quite the opposite. Corbyn has spent his entire time as leader going up and down the country listening to people's issues and taking those question's to May in pmq's, to which she dodged every question and tried to deflect the arguments by insulting Corbyn and Labour. Her trips around the country now are nothing more than a PR stunt May has been the media darling until she called an election, she only has herself to blame for her plummeting image, she has been pathetic throughout. People keep trying to defend her because they think she will be good for brexit, she won't. I wouldn't give her a paper round. Spot on. A study by the LSE on Corbyn's first year of media coverage here. www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/Mainstream-Media-Representations-of-Jeremy-Corbyn.aspx
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Post by manmarking on Jun 2, 2017 7:43:17 GMT
So the guy that has been very critical of and disliked the EU since it's birth isn't the better option? You dont think hes gonna get a good deal with that sort of scepticism? . Yet he went against his principles and long held view to campaign for a remain. So a hypocrite God knows how he would conduct brexit negotiations Yet May went against her principles and long held views to lead us into Leave. Let me guess: she's somehow not a hypocrite?
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 21:57:17 GMT
When you say Labour, you mean Blair's labour. That is far different from Corbyn's labour. Blair was more of a Tory than half of the current cabinet. Choosing where to pay tax is the same as choosing how much to pay. £130m for a 10 year period of tax the Tories got back. How can you seriously say that is cracking down? Richer people than you pay a lower % in tax. How does that make you feel? The old they were really Tories bollocks, a real man of principle Jezza than that he stayed in a pseudo Tory party. Tax is an expense for companies in the same way electricity is, in the real world they will look to minimise it in anyway they can legally. How are Labour going to clampdown on this ? Richer people than me will pay the same or higher rate of income tax as me, we tax income not wealth. They'll also pay much more tax than me so honestly i'm not worried, its a lie to pretend someone else will pay for everything. The direction of New Labour was completely different to the Labour Party of today. If you genuinely don't think that, then you genuinely don't know much about economics
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 20:27:44 GMT
Agree mate yes. I'd add that the 'debt slaves' you reference in P2 are, in the case of doctors and such, sometimes essential for our aging population. And also that the low paid ones are brought over specifically to lower wages at the bottom end. In the free market, profit margins are God and endless competition to be cheapest means something needs to give - generally wages. In P4, I'd add that it's unfortunate we're in a situation where genuine refugees are bundled together with the aforementioned low paid migrant workers. (Not having a pop at you). Lots of very needy people are being caught up in the spin and PR of the establishment trying to pretend neoliberalism is our only economic option. It's absolutely extraordinary that the establishment has managed to maintain this lie - that neoliberalism is the only option available - for so long. It's so transparently bollocks. But then they own most of the mainstream media as you say. Part of my reasoning for voting Corbyn (and Leave for that matter) is that if the establishment goes after those causes as hard as it does then there might be something in it for me So what I get from your post is... Highly skilled foreign workers, or people who can fill a shortage in a given area are welcome here. Genuine refugees, namely women & (genuine) young children from war torn countries are welcome here. Flooding our country with an endless stream of immigration is bad. Fighting age male 'refugees' who've travelled through 15 different 'safe countries' to get here, probably aren't refugees. The establishment are trying to fuck the average Joe British national over in every, possible way. Man, if only anyone on here had been banging this drum for years now. (I really wanted to believe in Corbyn at the start, but the second he started pandering to the far-left, and his stance on immigration put me right off) I don't think we've ever been that far apart to be fair mate Where we differ - correct me if I'm wrong - is that I see immigration as a symptom, not the problem itself. I'm no more inclined to believe media outlets on immigration or refugees than I am on Brexit or Jeremy Corbyn. I also believe that the threat from immigrants is hugely played up by the establishment in order to keep us divided and easier to rule. To be clear: do I believe there's a serious problem with integration and radicalism in the Muslim community? 100% yes. And it needs addressing in an intelligent, open minded, pragmatic way. I also differ in thinking that Corbyn is pandering to the far left. Since the 70s, the goalposts have been moved so far to the right that they're now out of the stadium. In the 60s and 70s, Corbyn would've been fairly centre Labour. Again, I believe this far left stuff is an establishment narrative to stifle discussion before it starts - and to prevent people thinking about what he's actually saying
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 19:52:21 GMT
The problem with Thatcherism, fraise, is that you eventually run out of other people to exploit. Living standards and real world wages stagnate. Personal debt levels skyrocket to cover the shortfall and guess what? You get an economy that's heavily reliant on its financial services sector, which, in order to sustain growth, has to think of ever more creative ways to make money (ie. out of thin air). Remind you of anything? Another result of this system is that you get people in work having to use food banks. You get people homeless. You get people who can't receive healthcare when they need it. Who can't afford to bring up kids. You get 20,000 police laid off because money is more important than people. The rich get richer and the poor get fucked. It's an absolute sham and, to paraphrase the Usual Suspects, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people exactly like you - the white working class - that her economic policies were in any way sustainable, let alone necessary. They're not, and I'm afraid to say that you're nowhere near as independent a thinker as you like to believe. You've been being duped by one school of economic logic for decades - by Tories and by New Labour. Wakey wakey, rise and shine mate If Corbyn and his brand of socialism are the answer for today's problems, which countries can you point to as examples that we can copy, emulate or even admire from a distance? Like others have said on this thread and others, Corbyn is growing on me although that is probably because May seems to be trying to throw this election at all costs. But, before I put my cross against our local Labour candidate I want to see his form of government in action, and his style of socialism producing positive results for the populace. And by positive results, I mean people with a moderate to high standard of living, earning a good stable wage compared with their national neighbours (ie, other countries), I want to see a country with maximum employment, a secure country with little or no threat from terrorism or other countries, and a level of economic activity which is sustainable in the medium and long terms. I also want to see a strong union movement which has not been hijacked by militants who are really only involved for their own ends and a green, environmentally friendly way of living and working. Where should I look? All very noble things to desire in life, mate. And all good questions. Not sure I have the expertise to answer you fully or fairly but for what it's worth, here's my take You could look to countries like Canada or Sweden I think. These models recognise the need for both public and private sectors, but also that a market running rampant has negative effects on the most vulnerable. And actually most people. So the state intervenes, and helps to fix what the market does badly through regulation and, yes, taxes . This creates decent work, rather than the meaningless, precarious 'McJobs' we see in this country, while free education invests in people and encourages social mobility. By building skills which help people find more meaning in their work, we make the workforce as a whole more productive . Yes, it will cost more, but those with the broadest shoulders will pay for it This might be of interest to you if you can be arsed to wade through it All about how greater worker rights (as you suggest) are actually to the benefit of the economy as a whole . blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2016/08/20/the-dark-side-of-economic-freedom-neoliberalism-has-deleterious-effects-on-labour-rights/Of course, people will talk about capital flight. "If we raise taxes then big multinational companies will leave" etc. Well, fuck them quite frankly. Let them take their excuses and their corruption elsewhere. Those companies don't create demand. In the place of them, small business will spring up to supply demand. And will likely make communities far better in the process. (What's more likely is that big multinationals are actually bluffing and will stay regardless - cf. Brexit ) Finally to your terrorism point. It would be disingenuous of me to claim that Corbynomics can stop terrorism. Economics can't really do that, and to be honest nothing will do that overnight . But I'd suggest that a policy of non-intervention, intelligence-led policing, and more police officers in general, stands a far better chance of starting to turn the tide than the current system does. Immigration plays a big part too, of course - and what none of the parties can say with any degree of honesty is how Brexit will affect that. Simply because it's impossible to predict at this time There's loads more to address, including your environmental point. Green energy is another gargantuan missed opportunity that we could all get so much more from. Would Corbyn be greener than the pro-fracking Tory government? I'd imagine so. Thoughts?
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 17:47:47 GMT
The problem with Thatcherism, fraise, is that you eventually run out of other people to exploit. Living standards and real world wages stagnate. Personal debt levels skyrocket to cover the shortfall and guess what? You get an economy that's heavily reliant on its financial services sector, which, in order to sustain growth, has to think of ever more creative ways to make money (ie. out of thin air). Remind you of anything? Another result of this system is that you get people in work having to use food banks. You get people homeless. You get people who can't receive healthcare when they need it. Who can't afford to bring up kids. You get 20,000 police laid off because money is more important than people. The rich get richer and the poor get fucked. It's an absolute sham and, to paraphrase the Usual Suspects, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people exactly like you - the white working class - that her economic policies were in any way sustainable, let alone necessary. They're not, and I'm afraid to say that you're nowhere near as independent a thinker as you like to believe. You've been being duped by one school of economic logic for decades - by Tories and by New Labour. Wakey wakey, rise and shine mate P1 - They've already solved that. See 'P2'. P2 - You make money by creating debt. Our current population are all maxed out on debt, we're fully milked. So what do you do? You bring in millions more debt slaves, erm.. I mean doctors from the Middle East & engineers from Africa. P3 - The housing crisis, strain on the NHS & such like are all intensified due to 'P2'. It also leads to more people relying on the state (More debt) P4 - Correct, it is all a sham, and indeed the rich do get richer & the poor get more fucked over by the day... And we have the MSM & their lap dogs in Government telling us how things like open borders, free movement of people, refugees welcome & such like are needed to solve all our problems... Thus taking us straight back to 'P1' on steroids. Agree mate yes. I'd add that the 'debt slaves' you reference in P2 are, in the case of doctors and such, sometimes essential for our aging population. And also that the low paid ones are brought over specifically to lower wages at the bottom end. In the free market, profit margins are God and endless competition to be cheapest means something needs to give - generally wages. In P4, I'd add that it's unfortunate we're in a situation where genuine refugees are bundled together with the aforementioned low paid migrant workers. (Not having a pop at you). Lots of very needy people are being caught up in the spin and PR of the establishment trying to pretend neoliberalism is our only economic option. It's absolutely extraordinary that the establishment has managed to maintain this lie - that neoliberalism is the only option available - for so long. It's so transparently bollocks. But then they own most of the mainstream media as you say. Part of my reasoning for voting Corbyn (and Leave for that matter) is that if the establishment goes after those causes as hard as it does then there might be something in it for me
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 12:51:56 GMT
Pretty much why i said i was so pissed off with Farron the other week. Had the chance to try to get Lib Dems back to some form of respectability by stealing millions of votes due to the fact that for many, the other 2 are parties of "Never would vote for them" and now "Never could vote for him", and he screwed that with his insistence on a 2nd referendum. No! I haven't voted Lib Dem as I'm in a Lab v. Con seat But your argument is like 'TDC's' if you completely alter your core beliefs then I might vote for you? But the Lib Dems have 1. been very strongly pro E.U. 2.been very strong on participatory democracy So, putting 1+2 together and offering 2nd referendum is perfectly in line with their traditional beliefs. Similarly, Labour has always opposed means testing. Why should other political parties ditch their traditional beliefs to attract so-called floating voters? Most 'floating voters' on here are really Tory voters feigning independence or high-mindedness? Interestingly, some studies for some benefits have shown that the cost of means testing actually makes a benefit more expensive to the taxpayer than to just give it to everyone.
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 12:04:46 GMT
So you're going to allow yourself to be put off a party because of what some of its supporters say? Isn't that exactly what you've criticised others for doing in the case of Ukip, Trump, the National Front etc? You're getting good at reading peoples posts & coming to your own completely made-up conclusions about them. I said it reminds me of what Labour have become (Both the party and it's supporters) I really don't know why I'm wasting my time typing this reply to you, it was as clear as day what I meant. Go do your boring hilarious little routine with Rog or someone, I really can't be arsed. You linked that sentiment to being dissuaded from voting Labour. And saying that a couple of Internet posters are reflective of what Labour has become is unfair. I'm only trying to reason with you - no routine. But fair enough, if you want to get pissy about it then I can't be arsed either so have a good day
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 11:43:58 GMT
Every now & then I start thinking to myself "Don't waste your right to vote by not bothering like you did last time, just go & vote for Labour like you always used to, if nothing else it might help to keep the Tories out of power"... Then I click on this thread & see yet another page of shit, spam posts by Essex & get a very quick reminder of what Labour has become... If I somehow manage to miss a bunch of spam shit from Essex I'll instead find a load of unhinged ramblings off Nick, which again do nothing but turn me off voting Labour. Why isn't there a single fucking party that the nornmal people of this once great country can vote for? So you're going to allow yourself to be put off a party because of what some of its supporters say? Isn't that exactly what you've criticised others for doing in the case of Ukip, Trump, the National Front etc?
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 11:40:40 GMT
Right the conservatives want to introduce more means testing when its proven that this effects the poorest in society so yes it is the conservatives trying to hit the most venerable in our society!! You cant trust a vile tory! Kick may out in June!!Means testing makes sure the correct money goes to the correct people. This is where the whole Socialist argument breaks down. Instead of normalising means testing to remove the stigma your answer is; keep the forms simple, don't ask intrusive questions, every gets the same and anyone who questions this is an evil OAP killer. "If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists." - Friedrich A. Hayek "Socialism is great until you run out of someone else's money" - Margret Thatcher. "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." - JM Keynes
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 10:19:13 GMT
May may I remind you all... The problem with Thatcherism, fraise, is that you eventually run out of other people to exploit. Living standards and real world wages stagnate. Personal debt levels skyrocket to cover the shortfall and guess what? You get an economy that's heavily reliant on its financial services sector, which, in order to sustain growth, has to think of ever more creative ways to make money (ie. out of thin air). Remind you of anything? Another result of this system is that you get people in work having to use food banks. You get people homeless. You get people who can't receive healthcare when they need it. Who can't afford to bring up kids. You get 20,000 police laid off because money is more important than people. The rich get richer and the poor get fucked. It's an absolute sham and, to paraphrase the Usual Suspects, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people exactly like you - the white working class - that her economic policies were in any way sustainable, let alone necessary. They're not, and I'm afraid to say that you're nowhere near as independent a thinker as you like to believe. You've been being duped by one school of economic logic for decades - by Tories and by New Labour. Wakey wakey, rise and shine mate
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 9:47:01 GMT
I believe Corbyn would be less cosy with Saudi Arabia, yes. (If only because Hamas and Hezbollah are diametrically opposed to the Saudis ) I never said it would stop. But I believe the arms sales would reduce at least. Amber Rudd actually tried to justify arms sales to Saudi last night If the UK stopped selling arms to saudi would they stop the war in yemen? No they wouldn't, they would just buy them from the US or Russia, but the UK would stop selling them and that is OK, then we would lose thousands of manufacturing jobs in this country, and BAE workers abroad, which after the Blair Labour years nobody should bat an eyelid as he decimated the manufacturing industry, so thousands back onto welfare. SOme governments make tough decisions, some make populist choices to grab votes. Or to put it another way, some governments believe that some things are more important than money. Some don't. The Tories are happy to indirectly (but knowingly) finance terror at home and abroad because they think money is more important than people. Fine. That's their prerogative - although I'd suggest it makes them rather more 'terrorist apologist' than any posters on here or, indeed, Jeremy himself. Put your money where your mouth is and all that Funny how you people suddenly turn on 'populism' when there's even the remotest possibility it might not suit you. I thought you were pro-populism post-Brexit? Do you support popular public opinion or not?
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 5:30:15 GMT
If defence and terrorism are your main concerns waggy, I'd avoid May personally. Her party has laid off 20,000 police officers since 2010, and is big mates with Saudi Arabia, which proliferates the very conservative branch of Islam - Wahhabism - all over the world and here in Blighty. That branch is the one associated with most of the recent acts of Islamic terrorism you've heard about Do you seriously believe that trade would stop under Labour. No chance. Both parties have continued trade whenever they have been in power. I believe Corbyn would be less cosy with Saudi Arabia, yes. (If only because Hamas and Hezbollah are diametrically opposed to the Saudis ) I never said it would stop. But I believe the arms sales would reduce at least. Amber Rudd actually tried to justify arms sales to Saudi last night
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 22:14:26 GMT
Corbyn had me interested until tonight when a stand in won by a knockout not just points. To be fair he did well to finish first in a one horse race, I am thinking it would be fun to see him as PM now, I may even vote for him myself I was staunch Labour voter in the 70's and he would have been a perfect fit back then, would be interesting to see how his 70's anti establishment politics pan out today. The left would have their dream ticket with the Marxist brothers and Dim Dianne this could be extremely entertaining, what a clusterfuck Genuine question carps: what made you personally abandon Labour?
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Post by manmarking on May 31, 2017 22:07:44 GMT
You obviously were not watching the debate I was The BBC make sure there is a balance in the audience usually along the lines of seats at parliament or an equal footing apart from Rudd getting more time than any other person (yes that's bbc biased) See may can do a party political but cant turn up to a debate what a cowered, cant defend her own policies but attacks personally again. what a two faced hypocrite Says the person who likes to see the Tories shouted and bullied out of offering their own argument by the hard left crowd and politicians who were happy not to offer their own arguments, but stick the boot after ganging up on Rudd and not letting her get a word in without heckling(4 vs 1, Lib Dems and Ukip did fuck all, and you call THAT democracy)... All the other parties dislike the Tories for their own different reasons. Therefore them all shouting Amber Rudderless down is actually democracy in its most primitive form to be fair - the majority having its voice. Plus the Tories couldn't be arsed with the debate so they can hardly turn round and complain about it now. All that said, I agree I'm not personally a fan of the format
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