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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 16, 2009 0:56:42 GMT
And I'm teaching you about International Relations which, incidentally, moves beyond the remit of your Dictionary. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by mumf14 on Oct 16, 2009 1:00:59 GMT
But that is irrelevant...You said that "Britain is not a nation" and every definition I've read says otherwise. Britain is a nation.
In other words ...Your're wrong.
Goodnight.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 16, 2009 1:04:50 GMT
Irrelevant? Good argument. I don't see how it's my fault if you're still reading Ladybird books ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) Nighty night. ;D
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Post by kidsgrove4 on Oct 16, 2009 1:52:43 GMT
No One from stoke. There is no racial tension in Stoke. Eh sal ? Earth day my 'arris. ![:-*](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibsKtmyxvmCS4ld9vDzv.gif)
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Post by kidsgrove4 on Oct 16, 2009 1:53:50 GMT
But that is irrelevant...You said that "Britain is not a nation" and every definition I've read says otherwise. Britain is a nation. In other words ...Your're wrong. Goodnight. 'Britain is an Asian" is what it was supposed to say. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif)
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Post by Hiram on Oct 16, 2009 8:14:10 GMT
However, the UK is almost unique in the world as it is a conglomerate of nations which do not have full sovereignty, hence the term multi-national state which is applied to the UK. I hate to get picky too but when you say 'almost unique' in the world, what's your definition of 'almost'? I can think of at least 20 other countries that are a conglomeration of nations off the top of my head. Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Belgium, Denmark, Russia, Finland, Greece, Turkey, Morocco, Algeria, (most countries on the Arabian peninsula artificially divided by colonialists), Israel / Palestine, South Africa (and at least a dozen other 'countries' on the African continent), Australia, the USA etc etc by your definition none of these 'countries' are 'nations' but are all multi-national states?
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Post by french toast on Oct 16, 2009 8:35:37 GMT
Fuck me this is the most boring thread ever
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 16, 2009 10:58:49 GMT
However, the UK is almost unique in the world as it is a conglomerate of nations which do not have full sovereignty, hence the term multi-national state which is applied to the UK. I hate to get picky too but when you say 'almost unique' in the world, what's your definition of 'almost'? I can think of at least 20 other countries that are a conglomeration of nations off the top of my head. Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Belgium, Denmark, Russia, Finland, Greece, Turkey, Morocco, Algeria, (most countries on the Arabian peninsula artificially divided by colonialists), Israel / Palestine, South Africa (and at least a dozen other 'countries' on the African continent), Australia, the USA etc etc by your definition none of these 'countries' are 'nations' but are all multi-national states? I was hedging my bets as I could not think, off the top of my head, of another example and wanted to give myself to time to do so. I cannot - and so I will claim that the UK is a unique example of this. The examples you cite each now operate as a single nation-state, whereas the UK/Britain exists as a multi-national state. If anyone can think of another example, then so be it. A multinational state is a state in which the population consists of two or more ethnically distinct nations (peoples) that are of significant size. This contrasts with a nation-state where a single nation comprises the bulk of the population. An oft-cited example is the United Kingdom of England (English people), Wales (Welsh), Scotland (Scottish), and Northern Ireland (Irish/Northern Irish/Ulster). It derives from the existence of distinct ethnic groups in a country (that is, a specific geographical location), for example, through the separation of legal powers, & governance; whereas multiculturalism refers to an official policy of acknowledging the equality of these distinct groups , for example, through equal rights legislation/recognition (i.e. Spanish Basque and Catalans). Therein lies the difference. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Oct 16, 2009 11:07:08 GMT
I believe that all people of all (nearly, leopards?) Religions Races will unite as THE BRITISH NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY similar fashion to pre-war Germany, but not with those extreme views. just unite and like Germany and become self dependant in maufacturing and services and nil Un-employment , even for me ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) 8-)Bondy ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibnJJzaA6ZhfTOIekEAf.gif) last word on any political subject ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) . Good bye , good night and FOR A BETTER BRITIAN. VOTE FOR THE BRITISH NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY] There is'nt one yet. I start the PARTY next week. Then I vote The the next Prime Minister be the golden One. STEINOBondy mate, I would join this party.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 16, 2009 11:12:04 GMT
Fuck me this is the most boring thread ever He's got a point there.
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Post by Hiram on Oct 16, 2009 16:13:36 GMT
I was hedging my bets as I could not think, off the top of my head, of another example and wanted to give myself to time to do so. I cannot - and so I will claim that the UK is a unique example of this. The examples you cite each now operate as a single nation-state, whereas the UK/Britain exists as a multi-national state. If anyone can think of another example, then so be it. A multinational state is a state in which the population consists of two or more ethnically distinct nations (peoples) that are of significant size. This contrasts with a nation-state where a single nation comprises the bulk of the population. An oft-cited example is the United Kingdom of England (English people), Wales (Welsh), Scotland (Scottish), and Northern Ireland (Irish/Northern Irish/Ulster). It derives from the existence of distinct ethnic groups in a country (that is, a specific geographical location), for example, through the separation of legal powers, & governance; whereas multiculturalism refers to an official policy of acknowledging the equality of these distinct groups , for example, through equal rights legislation/recognition (i.e. Spanish Basque and Catalans). Therein lies the difference. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) Are you saying you could use the UK as an example of a nation state as the bulk of its population is one 'nationality' i.e. English and you could use the UK as an example of a multi-nation state because of the various sub-states / nations that make it up? I don't understand the relevance of multiculturalism here either?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 16, 2009 16:29:04 GMT
I will be voting UKIP. However if they do join forces with the Tories I will have no bones about voting BNP. One way or another our borders need to be shut before we sink and if the BNP are the only party prepared to have a go then they will get my vote.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 16, 2009 16:39:27 GMT
Is everyone asleep? No, I'm not saying that at all, Billyonions. Let's leave this here now as everyone has quite had enough. If you want to pm me in order for me to carry this explanation on, then fair enough. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Oct 16, 2009 16:43:48 GMT
The BNP only "stand up for the working white man" as part of their racist propaganda. Look at all these non-British people getting special treatment, if we get in this won't happen, because we'll fuck them all off. The BNP hate non whites, that is their ideology, whites are superior. You can't argue that the BNP will make everything equal because that's what they oppose. If you think the BNP are merely trying to stop immigration and stand up for British born and legal migrants then what's wrong with UKIP? If you vote BNP you either misunderstand what the party stands for, you're racist or you're thick. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibnJJzaA6ZhfTOIekEAf.gif)
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 16, 2009 17:01:27 GMT
The BNP only "stand up for the working white man" as part of their racist propaganda. Look at all these non-British people getting special treatment, if we get in this won't happen, because we'll fuck them all off. The BNP hate non whites, that is their ideology, whites are superior. You can't argue that the BNP will make everything equal because that's what they oppose. If you think the BNP are merely trying to stop immigration and stand up for British born and legal migrants then what's wrong with UKIP? If you vote BNP you either misunderstand what the party stands for, you're racist or you're thick. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibnJJzaA6ZhfTOIekEAf.gif) Says you! A wanna be thief and general fuckwit for the labour shit. I am not racist which is why I would prefer to vote UKIP. However if UKIP take sides with your shit or the Tories I would rather sell my soul to BNP. I actually agree with a few of the BNP's policies but not their racist views. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and vote. If you don't like MY choices, TOUGH!
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Post by onetruepotter on Oct 16, 2009 17:13:20 GMT
The BNP only "stand up for the working white man" as part of their racist propaganda. Look at all these non-British people getting special treatment, if we get in this won't happen, because we'll fuck them all off. The BNP hate non whites, that is their ideology, whites are superior. You can't argue that the BNP will make everything equal because that's what they oppose. If you think the BNP are merely trying to stop immigration and stand up for British born and legal migrants then what's wrong with UKIP? If you vote BNP you either misunderstand what the party stands for, you're racist or you're thick. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibnJJzaA6ZhfTOIekEAf.gif) 1) I vote BNP 2) Im not racist 3) The only people I consider myself superior to are people like you 4) Im cleverer than you and better than you in every way - FACT ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) British people - Here and HERE TO STAY.
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Post by meirstoke on Oct 16, 2009 17:46:02 GMT
do you think that it is right that bogus refugees come to this country and sponge of a system they or their parents have contrebuted nothing to, ie national health, social, child benifits etc...
also refugees are supposed to call at their first safe country, since when has GB been next to the middle east or africa? fair enough GB should share the birdden as a developed country but when they come here blatently to abuse the system they should not be tolerated and sent home.
but we are and shall always be soft touch brittain, untill labour or tories actually debate the issue
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Post by onetruepotter on Oct 16, 2009 18:22:50 GMT
do you think that it is right that bogus refugees come to this country and sponge of a system they or their parents have contrebuted nothing to, ie national health, social, child benifits etc... also refugees are supposed to call at their first safe country, since when has GB been next to the middle east or africa? fair enough GB should share the birdden as a developed country but when they come here blatently to abuse the system they should not be tolerated and sent home. but we are and shall always be soft touch brittain, untill labour or tories actually debate the issue and thats why people are turning to the BNP, not cuz they are racist but because there is no other option, UKIP included, and when the asylum seekers do come here and take the piss out of our country and start us , so we give em a good hiding and its US that are at fault.. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 16, 2009 20:03:20 GMT
do you think that it is right that bogus refugees come to this country and sponge of a system they or their parents have contrebuted nothing to, ie national health, social, child benifits etc... also refugees are supposed to call at their first safe country, since when has GB been next to the middle east or africa? fair enough GB should share the birdden as a developed country but when they come here blatently to abuse the system they should not be tolerated and sent home. but we are and shall always be soft touch brittain, untill labour or tories actually debate the issue and thats why people are turning to the BNP, not cuz they are racist but because there is no other option, UKIP included, and when the asylum seekers do come here and take the piss out of our country and start us , so we give em a good hiding and its US that are at fault.. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif) As the BNP are racist by definition, I fail to see your point. If you vote BNP you are voting for a party that at it's very heart is racist. Can you not see this? Do you actually understand what English is? Do you know what nationality St George was? Do you care at all?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 16, 2009 21:29:16 GMT
and thats why people are turning to the BNP, not cuz they are racist but because there is no other option, UKIP included, and when the asylum seekers do come here and take the piss out of our country and start us , so we give em a good hiding and its US that are at fault.. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif) As the BNP are racist by definition, I fail to see your point. If you vote BNP you are voting for a party that at it's very heart is racist. Can you not see this? Do you actually understand what English is? Do you know what nationality St George was? Do you care at all? You are entitled to your views and opinions just like the rest of us.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 16, 2009 21:40:21 GMT
Everyone is entitled to their view, Stafford-Stokie - just so long as we don't all start insulting one another or throwing around silly remarks about the character of people on here. If you can't be civil then please keep the insults to yourself. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 16, 2009 21:40:57 GMT
As the BNP are racist by definition, I fail to see your point. If you vote BNP you are voting for a party that at it's very heart is racist. Can you not see this? Do you actually understand what English is? Do you know what nationality St George was? Do you care at all? You are entitled to your views and opinions just like the rest of us. Depends if your views and opinions are like the BNP's in which case being overtly racist isn't.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 16, 2009 21:45:44 GMT
Everyone is entitled to their view, Stafford-Stokie - just so long as we don't all start insulting one another or throwing around silly remarks about the character of people on here. If you can't be civil then please keep the insults to yourself. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) Who did I insult? If you are referring to Domsmith then look at his post to me. He implies that I am either thick, racist or misinformed. I am non of the above. Just because he supports a party of robbing incompetents that have run this country into the ground does not mean everyone else is wrong.
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Post by french toast on Oct 16, 2009 21:58:33 GMT
You are entitled to your views and opinions just like the rest of us. Depends if your views and opinions are like the BNP's in which case being overtly racist isn't. do you want a dictatorship???
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Oct 16, 2009 22:14:30 GMT
But Stafford, you don't need to bother backing the BNP because UKIP will NEVER join with the tories or labour, so you needn't worry. I personally think people miss the importance of immigration, but hey what do I know, I back a party who put every one in the shit. I personally think Nigel Farage is a bit of a tosser, like you probably think Brown is. But if you vote for the BNP you're racist, because at the end of the day they're the national front, they don't give a shit about your working rights, they want any one who isn't "white british" out of this country. So bye bye Faye, Fuller etc etc. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibnJJzaA6ZhfTOIekEAf.gif)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 16, 2009 22:19:38 GMT
Depends if your views and opinions are like the BNP's in which case being overtly racist isn't. do you want a dictatorship??? I don't but if you vote BNP, that's what you'll get.
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Post by bash62 on Oct 16, 2009 22:24:52 GMT
am voting for anyone who allows any one to come in my country take what they want and take our jobs ,houses ,and send money home for there kids they have left at home paid by the social. they guy who lives three doors from me on the social has a four bedroom house bmw he has been in lincoln 5 months came from afganistan .
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Oct 16, 2009 22:28:24 GMT
Yes, all immigrants scrounge off our benefits AND steal our jobs, that's pretty crafty, they sit on their arsesdoing fuck all but at the same time steal our jobs. Meanwhile not one white british person sits on their arse scrounging off benefits. Oh wait they do, but it's ok because their father was born in England ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif) ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibnJJzaA6ZhfTOIekEAf.gif)
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Post by MUZZPERTH on Oct 16, 2009 22:29:10 GMT
they guy who lives three doors from me on the social has a four bedroom house bmw he has been in lincoln 5 months came from afganistan . it's all so fucking wrong. tory, labour, lib dems?? all the same , no bottle. i'm not a bnp man but shit like that needs dealt with.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 16, 2009 22:29:43 GMT
am voting for anyone who allows any one to come in my country take what they want and take our jobs ,houses ,and send money home for there kids they have left at home paid by the social. they guy who lives three doors from me on the social has a four bedroom house bmw he has been in lincoln 5 months came from afganistan . Debs, do you actually believe any of this stuff ???
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