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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 11, 2009 19:12:15 GMT
Yeah of couse he could, but that would be different to the Pulis 4-4-1-1 (Plan A) that was being discussed. I'm not entirely sure that it would be that different Paul. It would mean that Fuller would have to be dropped as you'd want a strong forward who could hold the ball and pass back to the oncoming Tuncay / Midfield. I think it is a relatively simple evolution from the style that the rest of the team is used to, and small steps is what we need to develop safely. If we're going to continue to use the long ball to the target man, I'd rather leave it as it is with Fuller playing off that man. I don't often agree with march4 but I can see what he was getting at in his original post.
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Post by march4 on Sept 11, 2009 19:14:13 GMT
I'm not entirely sure that it would be that different Paul. It would mean that Fuller would have to be dropped as you'd want a strong forward who could hold the ball and pass back to the oncoming Tuncay / Midfield. I think it is a relatively simple evolution from the style that the rest of the team is used to, and small steps is what we need to develop safely. If we're going to continue to use the long ball to the target man, I'd rather leave it as it is with Fuller playing off that man. I don't often agree with march4 but I can see what he was getting at in his original post. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/7TTgAtwUz19SBi0cvrCX.gif) ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 19:28:22 GMT
I haven't heard him say much positive about him so far. Didn't like the use of the phrase 'big-time charlies' in his interviews when talking about the new players. Why use that phrase??? It's not exactly the warmest of welcomes. I know that Peter Coates is big mates with Middlesborough chairman, and from his interview PC seems to be alot more excited about our new signing than the manager. TP seems very cautious, talking about 'it can take a year for a player to settle in'. I'm not sure you can compare Kitson and Tuncay. Tuncay is an established international player who has more than proved himself at the highest level. Sounds like he's trying to prepare us for weeks of Tuncay on the bench....i hope not. Anyone else worried!!!! Have you seen the Katherine Tate sketch where she is shit scared of everything and screams at the Snap Crackle and Pop of the rice krispies....Your statement made me think of that...made me chuckle ;D
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Post by bogus on Sept 11, 2009 19:31:09 GMT
Well, Tuncay seemed to fit in pretty well with his 8-10 minutes against Sunderland. It was probably one of the best cameo performances you'll see from a Stoke player. Instant control, Held the ball up well, got in behind a couple of times, forceful run from deep and slowed the game down well a couple of times as we were closing the game out.
For me, he's good enough to replace either forward position, or either winger, and make it work. My own preference would be for him to play in the withdrawn striker role and I am really looking forward to seeing him link up with Lenny, Ringtone and the main striker, when we go forward.
He could be that good and it's that simple, imho.
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Post by march4 on Sept 11, 2009 19:33:56 GMT
No one has yet convinced me as to where Tuncay is going to play.
His weakness is his lack of strength and I can't see him playing the Mama role. Higgy, Wilko and Ryan won't have a target to aim for and that is such a key part of how we play.
Surely he won't replace Ric as strength again is a key to Ric winning so many throw ins and corners.
I can only see Tuncay replacing Ethers on the left and I can see him being a real improvement in this position.
Other than that I remain mystified.
Next I am going to puzzle over where Huth is going to play.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 11, 2009 19:37:09 GMT
No one has yet convinced me as to where Tuncay is going to play. His weakness is his lack of strength and I can't see him playing the Mama role. Higgy, Wilko and Ryan won't have a target to aim for and that is such a key part of how we play. Surely he won't replace Ric as strength again is a key to Ric winning so many throw ins and corners. I can only see Tuncay replacing Ethers on the left and I can see him being a real improvement in this position. Other than that I remain mystified. Next I am going to puzzle over where Huth is going to play. That all makes complete sense to me march, I agree with every point that you've made there.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 11, 2009 19:39:40 GMT
My own preference would be for him to play in the withdrawn striker role and I am really looking forward to seeing him link up with Lenny, Ringtone and the main striker, when we go forward. He could be that good and it's that simple, imho. That would be my preference to bogus, but where would that leave our long ball tactic? Do our present full backs have enough quality on the ball to pass the ball into midfield rather than hoofing it long?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 19:44:39 GMT
No one has yet convinced me as to where Tuncay is going to play. His weakness is his lack of strength and I can't see him playing the Mama role. Higgy, Wilko and Ryan won't have a target to aim for and that is such a key part of how we play. Surely he won't replace Ric as strength again is a key to Ric winning so many throw ins and corners. I can only see Tuncay replacing Ethers on the left and I can see him being a real improvement in this position. Other than that I remain mystified. Next I am going to puzzle over where Huth is going to play. That all makes complete sense to me march, I agree with every point that you've made there. You can play in the hole without having to play the mama role but the key to that is precision and movement of the ball through the middle allowing quick counter attacking football I certainly would not stick Tuncay out wide he needs to be involved in the game at all times.
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Post by walrus on Sept 11, 2009 19:46:10 GMT
Within two games I'm confident that he'll have proved his class and therefore worth to anyone willing to look.
EDIT - 3,000 up! ;D
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Post by bogus on Sept 11, 2009 19:46:20 GMT
march, paul, you're both doing us the disservice the press often do. We DO get the ball down and play it into feet now and again you know. We also often hit the channels for Ric to chase, to win throws, or to win the ball and then bring Lenny and Ringtone (the wide men) into the game. Tuncay would also benefit from this, he will also play off Ric's chasing and harrying. Maybe this will eventually be part of our "evolution" ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) To say we ALWAYS hit the Tall, withdrawn striker is just not true.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 11, 2009 19:47:49 GMT
You can play in the hole without having to play the mama role but the key to that is precision and movement of the ball through the middle allowing quick counter attacking football I certainly would not stick Tuncay out wide he needs to be involved in the game at all times. Well you're absolutely spot on there Sidders. The only problem for us though is the bit about precision passing and movement of the ball through the middle! ;D
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Post by march4 on Sept 11, 2009 19:50:26 GMT
march, paul, you're both doing us the disservice the press often do. We DO get the ball down and play it into feet now and again you know. We also often hit the channels for Ric to chase, to win throws, or to win the ball and then bring Lenny and Ringtone (the wide men) into the game. Tuncay would also benefit from this, he will also play off Ric's chasing and harrying. Maybe this will eventually be part of our "evolution" ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) To say we ALWAYS hit the Tall, withdrawn striker is just not true. Whatever TP decides to do with him, it could be a while before we find out. First TP says Tuncay isn't fit enough and needs to learn how we play. Then he moans that he went on international duty and he has barely seen him since he signed. It takes a while to get back in TP's good books - just ask Lenny.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 11, 2009 19:52:23 GMT
march, paul, you're both doing us the disservice the press often do. We DO get the ball down and play it into feet now and again you know. We also often hit the channels for Ric to chase, to win throws, or to win the ball and then bring Lenny and Ringtone (the wide men) into the game. Tuncay would also benefit from this, he will also play off Ric's chasing and harrying. Maybe this will eventually be part of our "evolution" ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) To say we ALWAYS hit the Tall, withdrawn striker is just not true. Bogus our ability to retain posession in midfield and pass the ball accurately is awful. You said that Tuncay will 'play off Ric's chasing and harrying'. So if you've got Tuncay (in your preferred position) and Ric on the pitch, where will the target man play, are you suggesting that we wont play with one? Pulis is going to play with TWO tomorrow.
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Post by Mozzaa on Sept 11, 2009 19:54:31 GMT
Is this a real fucking question? no offence like but I think your a tit for asking this
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Post by bogus on Sept 11, 2009 20:00:55 GMT
march, paul, you're both doing us the disservice the press often do. We DO get the ball down and play it into feet now and again you know. We also often hit the channels for Ric to chase, to win throws, or to win the ball and then bring Lenny and Ringtone (the wide men) into the game. Tuncay would also benefit from this, he will also play off Ric's chasing and harrying. Maybe this will eventually be part of our "evolution" ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) To say we ALWAYS hit the Tall, withdrawn striker is just not true. Bogus our ability to retain posession in midfield and pass the ball accurately is awful. You said that Tuncay will 'play off Ric's chasing and harrying'. So if you've got Tuncay (in your preferred position) and Ric on the pitch, where will the target man play, are you suggesting that we wont play with one? Pulis is going to play with TWO tomorrow. In my mind, the main striker will be the target man, Paul. Either Ric, Beattie or Kitson are all more than capable of winning their fair share of headers, or holding up the ball, and I would even suggest that the latter two would actually relish the chance to play in the more advanced position. Other than that, maybe they'll be a bit more flexible, interchangeable, throughout the games from now.
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 11, 2009 20:30:06 GMT
It's 'wait-and-see' time. I have to admit that I haven't got a clue what will happen. What we should remember is that Pulis now has two high profile members in his backroom staff so it could be a case of too many cooks spoil the broth or the Three Musketeers triumph again during this transitional period of team improvement. What we do know is that 'Pulisball' has proved to be effective given our final position at the end of last season. Whether Pulisball/Francisball/Reidball will be as effective is the unknown. Time will tell.
OS.
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Post by march4 on Sept 11, 2009 21:14:51 GMT
Good thinking - too many cooks!
I think the 5-3-2 suggests a disturbance in the equilibrium.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 11, 2009 21:52:12 GMT
Bogus our ability to retain posession in midfield and pass the ball accurately is awful. You said that Tuncay will 'play off Ric's chasing and harrying'. So if you've got Tuncay (in your preferred position) and Ric on the pitch, where will the target man play, are you suggesting that we wont play with one? Pulis is going to play with TWO tomorrow. In my mind, the main striker will be the target man, Paul. Either Ric, Beattie or Kitson are all more than capable of winning their fair share of headers, or holding up the ball, and I would even suggest that the latter two would actually relish the chance to play in the more advanced position. Other than that, maybe they'll be a bit more flexible, interchangeable, throughout the games from now. Bogus Ideally I'd love to see Ric and Tuncay as the front two but I don't think using the long ball as our primary tactic would work at all if we did this. Therefore we would have to use either Kitson, Beattie or Mama, and as I said earlier, I would rather Ric played off the target man than Tuncay.
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Post by jorgieporgy on Sept 11, 2009 22:07:50 GMT
Have we had an answer to the original question? Without doubt TP wanted him. Ok everyone is wondering where he has to slot in. Don't worry, he can do more than just the Fuller role. How many times have we moaned about giving the ball away, it's just going to be so much better,we saw it last year when Boro were here, he is a target man and a midfield creator. Our set plays + a bit of Turkish magic, it's gotta be exciting, don't forget where we just come from. Any way tomorrow lets give it our all; we can make a difference. Once again the underdogs - we have got to scrap for everything. Gooooaaarrrrrnnn
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2009 22:37:29 GMT
He's probably making sure Huth and Tuncay understand that they need to perform to TP's liking day in day out, before they play. TP's team spirit is based on the fact that everyone understands that no-one 'walk's' into the team without proving their worth over a long period of time. The players know it's a meritocracy and it keeps them honest.
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Post by orlandostokie on Sept 11, 2009 23:03:40 GMT
Orlandostokie says "good guy Tuncay" over and out.
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Post by beale08 on Sept 11, 2009 23:10:36 GMT
he did want him... PC wouldn't do a deal TP didn't want
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