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Post by Admin on Jan 31, 2004 23:04:01 GMT
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Post by jaykaye on Feb 1, 2004 13:41:28 GMT
Clarke almost MOM?????? Cutler 6/10????? “Also, a big thumbs up to Gifton Noel-Williams. Those who criticise him don't, in my honest opinion, know what they're talking about. He gives this team so much!” Even when he looks disinterested and sulks off the pitch, passes the ball square 99% of the time then goes 12 games without a goal? I do like him though and I can see what he adds to the team. This doesn’t mean he isn’t open to the same criticism the rest of the team are.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 1, 2004 13:45:49 GMT
I think spidey that Smudge is referring to those (many?) people who over recent months have criticised Gifton's contribution to the side rather than those who criticise his body language.
For what its worth, I though Gifton had a great game yesterday. I also thought that Clarke had a great game and has improved greatly in the past couple of months. Cutler looked nervous for some reason - not the player we saw when EDG was injured at the start of the season.
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Post by AlliG on Feb 1, 2004 13:48:18 GMT
Even midway through the 2nd half yesterday there were still people in the Boothen End criticising his "attitude".
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Post by jaykaye on Feb 1, 2004 14:17:06 GMT
Clarke is at best an average player, and yesterday he played about as good as he can (average) doesn’t look up before he clears the ball, often no one on the end of his long passes, his tackling is suspect, his positioning is crap most of the time, he isn’t the quickest left back by far, he will never IMO be captain material, he isn’t strong, he isn’t vocal (which he should be as captain) his head drops and he doesn’t look half interested. On the plus side er let me think about that one……………………. As for Gifton if he plays crap which he has done on several occasions this season then he deserves the criticism he gets just as anyone else in the team does, does this mean we don’t know what we are talking about????
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 1, 2004 14:29:52 GMT
Only you can know the answer to that spidey!
So, DO you know what you are talking about? ;D
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Post by Admin on Feb 1, 2004 15:56:09 GMT
Clarke is at best an average player, and yesterday he played about as good as he can (average) doesn’t look up before he clears the ball, often no one on the end of his long passes, his tackling is suspect, his positioning is crap most of the time, he isn’t the quickest left back by far, he will never IMO be captain material, he isn’t strong, he isn’t vocal (which he should be as captain) his head drops and he doesn’t look half interested. On the plus side er let me think about that one……………………. As for Gifton if he plays crap which he has done on several occasions this season then he deserves the criticism he gets just as anyone else in the team does, does this mean we don’t know what we are talking about???? Clarke has a great game yesterday (acknowledged by just about everyone except you!) and you can't even give him credit for that. Yeah, I think I can see where you're coming from and I'm beginning to understand who you were on the other board now as well! Smudge
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2004 16:49:06 GMT
Gifton set himself such high standards at the start of the season, while the poor form that people talk about did come through a period where he has been carrying injury. He took a while to recover from that hamstring injury that caused him to miss the defeat at Gillingham before Christmas (after limping out of the Palace match a few days before) and didn't look fit for a few games after, while also hadn't TP said not so long ago that GNW has played a couple of times this month while not being 100% (he was carrying an ankle injury, along with Ade Akinbiyi, prior to the Wimbledon league game) Whether we should have played Asaba instead at the time is open to question. Six goals scored and another six goals set up this season, not to mention the link up play he brings the team ... we're getting a very good return from him, imho. Clive Clarke, I was critical of him at the start of the season and he didn't look suited to the 3-4-3 system at all, while Marcus Hall had always been my first choice left back out of the two. Even so Clarkey has been playing very well of late, both as a central defender and at left back, so credit where it's due. Wouldn't be my first choice for the armband, although the captaincy issue is a contentious one imo, we've got Taggart in defence, Eustace in midfield, Ade up front, all inspirational and natual leaders in different areas of the pitch, why place so much importance on one player and one armband? Clarke leads the team out, writes some notes in the programme, says heads or tails to a referee, does his job as a player (very well at the moment) the end. Supporter Reaction from yesterday can be found here... stokecity.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=944&p=2&stid=8337496Current Stat updates... stokecity.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=944&p=2&stid=8317682Match Reports and overall index... www.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=944&p=2&stid=8317698
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Feb 1, 2004 19:10:17 GMT
I thought Darell Russell had a good game yesterday,seems to have fount good form lately.I'm not Clarke's biggest fan,but you couldn't fault him yesterday.
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Post by jaykaye on Feb 1, 2004 19:14:10 GMT
From where I was sitting yesterday me and about 5000 others could fault him yesterday, otherwise he would have been the first player this season to have a fault free game. I’m not a Clarke hater but at the same time not his biggest fan, I do think he is an average player and don’t see him improving far beyond being average. He is at the moment playing an average game which is fine if he can sustain it, my worry is that he can’t and we’ll be treated to the lacklustre performances he gave us for the first third of the season. I do like Gifton though and see the potential he has, is there anyone better in this division at bringing the ball down and shielding it and sometimes the ball seems glued to his feet, he shows some brilliant skill, but there are things in his game he needs to put right. Imo criticism is fine as long as it justified.
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Post by Admin on Feb 1, 2004 20:58:38 GMT
Spidey,
So, out of all these 5,000 people, why are you the only one on this message board?
I'm not saying Clarkey is brilliant, just that he had a fine game yesterday... to go with several good ones he's had in the past few weeks.
When a player plays well we praise them, it's what being a supporter is all about.
Smudge
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Post by jaykaye on Feb 1, 2004 21:05:35 GMT
But Smudgster saying Clarkey is playing average is praise considering how he was playing during the first third of the season, I didn’t say he was poor yesterday or that he was the worst player on the field, he was neither. IMO he has never been more than average. I hope he proves me wrong and goes on to be a world class player and continues to play for Stoke but at the moment I’d settle for more average performances like yesterday at least it was a step in the right direction.
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Post by JR on Feb 1, 2004 22:50:45 GMT
Albert, I thnk its no co-incidence our recent form is a a result of not only Taggart's loan but Darel and Clarke etc vastly improving their average form they were showing.
cant rally speak for 5000 people as I didnt have time to survey them but Clive would have nicked MOM for me.
only Cutler looked average yesterday, very poor organisation again and the sooner Ed back the better.
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Post by jaykaye on Feb 1, 2004 23:48:53 GMT
only Cutler looked average yesterday, So what would you call Halls??? Magnificent??? PS my names not Albert???
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Post by JR on Feb 2, 2004 0:15:22 GMT
No I wouldn't call Halls magnificent and cant see where I suggested he was.
Certainly below the standard he showed of late but can't criticise him too much. Has been a good signing.
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Post by Hooky on Feb 2, 2004 0:18:24 GMT
yes albert, your right, you changed it to spiderman.
just as Rex hasn't re-appeared with another username.
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Post by jaykaye on Feb 2, 2004 0:25:02 GMT
But you said only Cutler was average. And just because he’s been a good signing doesn’t mean he played well yesterday. It is yesterday’s performances we are on about here isn’t it? If you send me an e-mail Tommy Trinder oh sorry Ilford Dave I’ll tell you who I really am, you have my e-mail address you just have to work out which one it is ;D ;D
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Post by JR on Feb 2, 2004 0:28:50 GMT
I said Cutler was average, Halls was below HIS USUAL STANDARD. got caught out for the second goal but did ok. That clear enough?
Not really into scoring cheap points.
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Post by jaykaye on Feb 2, 2004 0:35:50 GMT
You said ONLY Cutler was average and IMO Halls was at fault for both goals. He is a good player and well liked, he has been a good signing for Stoke but he was crap yesterday. Just because we like a player doesn’t mean he isn’t open to the same criticism as the rest of the team. You do yourself no favours in book by being selective in who you choose to criticise, if it had been Greenacre you’d have wasted no time telling the rest of us what a useless lump he is and not up to this standard and should be sold off to the first bidder asap. Be consistent.
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Post by Hooky on Feb 2, 2004 0:38:52 GMT
John Halls was injured, or did you miss that posting from TP's cousin
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Post by jaykaye on Feb 2, 2004 0:41:09 GMT
Injured or not he was crap, simple as, end of.
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Post by JR on Feb 2, 2004 1:00:26 GMT
Absolute crap .
He is a open to criticism as the next player.
If Greenacre etc has a good or bad game then he'll get the recognition it deserves...totally irrelevant.
just because no one else agrees with you and the imaginary 5000 no need to get so touchy.
Halls was at fault for the Derby goal and I seem to remember pointing that out....no favouritism just facts.
And you had the cheek to say JS folk are boring.
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Post by jaykaye on Feb 2, 2004 1:04:36 GMT
But you just said ONLY Cutler was average, I was merely pointing out to you that it was not ONLY Cutler, now whose the one getting touchy???
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Post by JR on Feb 2, 2004 1:09:57 GMT
Not getting touchy at all....just reading back and see absolutely no one agrees with you so why should I ;D
Anyway, a totally exhilarating discussion...think I'll watch the very dull Superbowl....u just made it seem fascinating.
And u called others boring ;D
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Post by RAF on Feb 2, 2004 18:37:02 GMT
Back to the original Subjectish!! I thought Cutler was Poor, his kicking shambolic and no command of his area.Everyone has a bad game its just life, good job we scored three though! As for Halls, I think he was carrying an injury, if so then IMHO Wilson should have started! H
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 2, 2004 18:55:57 GMT
Halls was carrying an injury - according to Andrew 47 (TP's cousin) Halls has had to wear a larger boot on one foot in recent weeks and had a painkilling injection before the game.
Cutler looked a different GK to the one who stood in so well for EDG at the start of the season - when he had a back injuy himself as I recall.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 2, 2004 18:55:57 GMT
Halls was carrying an injury - according to Andrew 47 (TP's cousin) Halls has had to wear a larger boot on one foot in recent weeks and had a painkilling injection before the game.
Cutler looked a different GK to the one who stood in so well for EDG at the start of the season - when he had a back injuy himself as I recall.
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Post by bogus on Feb 2, 2004 20:22:03 GMT
Fook me!!!
And there was me thinking it was a particularly good time to be a Stokie right now.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 2, 2004 20:39:58 GMT
Hehehehehehehehehe - this thread makes even less sense than it did before thanks to clumsy censorship by "the Management". ;D
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Post by ParaPsych on Feb 2, 2004 21:17:05 GMT
I fail to see why my decoration tips got deleted.
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