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Post by exiledstokie on Mar 25, 2009 9:47:46 GMT
Meanwhile, former England goalkeeper Peter Shilton says Manchester United's reserve-team keeper Ben Foster needs to go out on loan next season if he wants to stake a claim on a regular place in his national side if they qualify for the World Cup in South Africa. (Various)
Gossip from the BBC, would he be one to look at for next season if United do end up letting him go out? Not saying that Sorro hasn't done fantastic for us this season, because he has, but maybe Foster has that little bit extra if we are to push on next season? I'm assuming that Simmo will leave at the end of the season, it isnt fair on him to keep him here to play reserve football after all he's done for us over the years.
Thoughts?
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Mar 25, 2009 9:49:13 GMT
think id rather have sorro for next season - foster is still too young for me.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 25, 2009 9:51:45 GMT
Like the older man eh?.....interesting.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Mar 25, 2009 9:57:06 GMT
i doubt he would come back. read an interview with him a year or so ago, he wasnt happy with how he was treated at Stoke
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 25, 2009 9:59:40 GMT
still not sure if he's good enough
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Mar 25, 2009 10:01:19 GMT
Ben Foster is an excellent young keeper, but why would we want to dump a current international who (apart from the odd howler  ) has played out of his skin for us this season for any keeper on a short term loan. Sorry, but it doesn't make sense. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 25, 2009 10:09:31 GMT
We've got two excellent keepers. OK so Simmo might leave in the Summer (I hope not) and Sorro was a great capture. Personally, I think Simmo will stay as he's no doubt getting Prem wages and much better keepers than him don't get many games with Prem clubs. I'm pretty confident he's stay as long as TP wants him.
Personally, I think TP will only be looking at keepers if Simmo goes and then it would only be a back-up keeper he'd be looking for.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 11:33:38 GMT
I think Foster might very well end up as Man Yoo's first choice number 1 next season.
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Post by assessornum1 on Mar 25, 2009 12:00:34 GMT
Depends how van der sar does till the end of the season
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Post by exiledstokie on Mar 25, 2009 12:05:19 GMT
dont get me wrong, i wasn't having a go at Sorro in anyway, he has made countless crucial saves this season, im just thinking for next season about building up a bigger and better squad because i feel Simmo will be leaving in the summer to get first team football.
I think Foster is a fantastic keeper, and will be Englands number 1 soon enough, if we were offered the chance to have him for next season i'd take it personally, just my oppinion though
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 25, 2009 12:08:52 GMT
I'm interested as to why so many people feel that Simmo will want to go in the summer. I understand the arguement about him wanting first team football and, lets be honest, that's why he joined us. But that was at an earlier stage of his career and I get the feeling now that he would be happy to stay with us as long as we are in the Premier League. I don't see too many CCC first choice goalkeepers who would turn down a move the the Prem, even if that meant sitting on the bench. I'm sure Simmo intends to win his place back at Stoke but I still think he'll stay in any case.
Could be totally wrong of course!
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Post by spartanstokie on Mar 25, 2009 12:11:55 GMT
sorro is stoke number one for a few years and lets face it the odd mistake but he has rescued far more points then given away i can only think of away to to the makems and the toffees where the two liverpool games the save early on against bolton ect ect ect
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2009 13:35:43 GMT
Foster is a better keeper overall than Sorenson.
imho.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 25, 2009 13:39:04 GMT
lordb:
Yet to be proven. Tommy is a long established International and Premier League keeper whereas Foster has it all to prove. You may be right in the long term but, at this moment Tommy wins hands down IMO.
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2009 13:45:51 GMT
seen enough of Foster now to see he is - & of course just my opinion - that he is the better keeper
commands his area well enogh (Sorro DOES outscore him on this mind),catches crosses (equal),saves penno's & crucially is more mobile.
Sorrenson;s big weakness for me is he struggles with low shots close to him e.g. Everton's 1st,Spurs 1st (thers quite a list sadly) & this isnt going to improve.
Sorro WAS a top international standard keeper now - imho he is a quite good prem class one
Foster's kicks are huge too - can you imagine the pundits monaing about THAT.
Sorro though is clearly a big big character & this is important.
Fosters ready now.
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Post by DentySCFC on Mar 25, 2009 13:47:50 GMT
No thanks, very overrated keeper. Only slightly better than Simmo and I really mean that.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 25, 2009 14:01:19 GMT
What matters most of course is TP's opinion. I know he was very young when he was third choice here but he immediately went to Watford and was instrumental in getting them to the Prem. Like I say, he was young but Watford threw him straight in. That suggests to me that TP didn't rate him that highly.
True, he's no doubt 'come on' considerably since then but I get the feeling he wouldn't be TP's choice.
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Post by th05 on Mar 25, 2009 14:20:44 GMT
We don't need him. Sorro for number 1, Simmo doesn't mind playing second fiddle and gets the odd game here and there.
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Post by knowingeye on Mar 25, 2009 14:21:38 GMT
think id rather have sorro for next season - foster is still too young for me. Iker Casillas at Real Madrid' came from their youth system and aged 17 years old in 1998–99 he debuted in the senior side and was in Real's starting line-up the next season. In 2000, he became the youngest-ever goalkeeper to ever play in a Champions League final just four days after his nineteenth birthday. Too young? |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 25, 2009 14:34:01 GMT
But in England, the popular conception/mis-conception is that a goalkeeper doesn't reach his peak until his 30's. Spain has a very different view altogether. Our goalkeepers tend not to get picked for England until they have amassed plenty of league experience. The Swede was more inclined to give 'youth' a chance but that backfired with the likes of kirkland/Carson/Green who were quickly 'found out' at top club level and have struggled to re-establish themselves at top level. Many keepers have grown big reputations as young players only for that to dissolve. It's a unique position on a football field that, IMO, requires experience and I believe that goalkeepers tend to get better with age. Casillas is an outstanding keeper and and exception to the rule. I have seen very many comical Spanish keepers over the years.
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Post by boothenendboy on Mar 25, 2009 14:44:11 GMT
think id rather have sorro for next season - foster is still too young for me. Iker Casillas at Real Madrid' came from their youth system and aged 17 years old in 1998–99 he debuted in the senior side and was in Real's starting line-up the next season. In 2000, he became the youngest-ever goalkeeper to ever play in a Champions League final just four days after his nineteenth birthday. Too young? but ben foster isn't as good as casillas  |
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Post by Cal on Mar 25, 2009 14:54:44 GMT
Iker Casillas at Real Madrid' came from their youth system and aged 17 years old in 1998–99 he debuted in the senior side and was in Real's starting line-up the next season. In 2000, he became the youngest-ever goalkeeper to ever play in a Champions League final just four days after his nineteenth birthday. Too young? but ben foster isn't as good as casillas My thoughts exactly foster is a young talent but casillas is exceptional. |
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Post by magicmanfuller on Mar 25, 2009 15:04:48 GMT
No thanks, very overrated keeper. Only slightly better than Simmo and I really mean that. You must be watching a different game son. Simmo is generally a poor keeper, I cant fink of any aspect of goalkeeping he is actually good at. Ben foster on the other hand could be Man Utd's number 1 next year, enough said I fink. By the way, what is the point of this thread considering there is absolutly bob hope of us ever getting foster |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 25, 2009 15:12:08 GMT
well fort owt argument i fink.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 25, 2009 15:12:59 GMT
The point of this thread, like any other, is to enjoy the debate with people who may not necessarily share the same opinion as you. I too think that there is Robert Hope of Foster coming to Stoke but it has sparked some interesting comments about Sorro, Simmo and goalkeepers in general.
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Post by boothenendboy on Mar 25, 2009 15:34:41 GMT
The point of this thread, like any other, is to enjoy the debate with people who may not necessarily share the same opinion as you. I too think that there is Robert Hope of Foster coming to Stoke but it has sparked some interesting comments about Sorro, Simmo and goalkeepers in general. and that, ladies and gentleman, is why the scfc board is so boring. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 25, 2009 15:59:04 GMT
I'm a poor simple soul boothenendboy so pray tell me; was that 'having a dig'
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Post by exiledstokie on Mar 25, 2009 16:21:18 GMT
No thanks, very overrated keeper. Only slightly better than Simmo and I really mean that. You must be watching a different game son. Simmo is generally a poor keeper, I cant fink of any aspect of goalkeeping he is actually good at. Ben foster on the other hand could be Man Utd's number 1 next year, enough said I fink. By the way, what is the point of this thread considering there is absolutly bob hope of us ever getting foster Sorry for posting a 'pointless' thread, can you give me and the other 20 people who replied to the thread a list of topics you might find interesting for us to discuss? Thanks in advance |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 25, 2009 16:32:12 GMT
I could find a good reason to say 'What's the point of this thread' to most of them. The point is 'someone' wants to raise that issue and loads of others want to contribute to the issue.
If some people wish to belittle and bemoan other people's interests they must be pretty sad, self-important individuals. As you say exiled stokie, perhaps they could give us all a list of acceptable subjects for discussion and a list of who we should all approach to have them OK'd.
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Post by luke45 on Mar 25, 2009 16:41:32 GMT
Can't see him being loaned out to be honest, i think Ferguson regards him as the second best goalkeeper at Man Utd, and will want him on the bench every week as back-up, and to start some cup games etc.....
And i don't think he would be guaranteed first team football if he came here on loan, so he probably wouldn't want to move.
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) has played out of his skin for us this season for any keeper on a short term loan. 
