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Post by Soi Cowboy on Feb 17, 2009 20:29:10 GMT
Has to be scrapped IMHO
The League cup is no longer a major trophy for Prem sides. ESPN ran a great show last night re the demise of the FA cup re how Cardiff etc did so well-the LEAGUE cup is way behind
Not an excuse, taking nothing away from 72 etc when teams took the LEAGUE cup so serious, times have changed.
Would love to see Stoke win the LEAGUE/FA CUP etc but is a backburner for me. Thoughts?
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Post by beagriestache on Feb 17, 2009 20:44:41 GMT
Yep, times have changed definitely.
The Champions League = the FA Cup pre Premier League
The FA Cup = the League Cup
The League Cup = The Central League
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Feb 17, 2009 20:45:42 GMT
Soi are you a Nialist?  |
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Feb 17, 2009 20:47:55 GMT
Sorry Soi I meant nihilist |
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Post by walrus on Feb 17, 2009 20:52:13 GMT
Yep, times have changed definitely. The Champions League = the FA Cup pre Premier League The FA Cup = the League Cup The League Cup = The Central League Where does that leave the JP Trophy? (We've won it two times!) |
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Post by crimesy on Feb 17, 2009 21:20:27 GMT
noo.. we won the autoglass trophy ;D that was taken far more seriously than the JP cup  |
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Post by Janet in ST5 on Feb 17, 2009 21:28:55 GMT
I agree, scrap the League Cup, and scrap it now! That'll be one competition less to get knocked out of in the first round!
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Post by pattayapotter on Feb 17, 2009 21:36:34 GMT
How's it going Cowboy you been to the Country & Western bar recently   Are you back in Bangkok or still living in Jomtien? Not heard from you guys for a while and it will be a while before I get back out ??? On to the subject I totally agree. Maybe if it was dropped for Premier League Clubs the FA Cup would be take more seriously? Hope all is well in the land of smiles |
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 17, 2009 22:20:53 GMT
I reckon a British cup should replace the league cup, then we could get to laugh at Rangers and Celtic struggling to beat teams like Preston.
Plus I'd get to see my second team, Inverness Caley Thistle, play at the Brit.
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Post by BuzzB on Feb 17, 2009 23:41:46 GMT
How I see it is this;
The League cup has suffered with it's ridiculous seeding process, at one time it was 92 clubs from round one (byes were given if I'm not mistaken and stand to be corrected ;D) but the introduction of giving the teams in Europe a huge helping hand has severely added to its demise. (along with the 2 legged seeded lower v higher team idea)
FFS have a preliminary round with all 92 in the draw to reduce it to 64 and go from there, ie if Man U pull Chelsea out in a prelim then tough shit!
A cup competition should be just that, a knockout and the best team wins.
It may bring the credability back but it will never happen!
Fergie won't let it ;D ;D
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Post by crimesy on Feb 18, 2009 0:24:24 GMT
Anyone else ever wondered why it was called the 'League' cup? A 'league' cup at lower levels is the cup played by teams in just one league. Therefore being called the 'League' Cup. ???
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 18, 2009 1:19:23 GMT
No, don't scrap it.
It's there to give a few teams a chance of actually winning something (including us), and a chance for lower-league teams to play the big teams (I don't include us in that, being part of this Premier lark).
It's always brilliant for the fans of lower-league teams to be drawn against big-4 opposition, fuck what the big-4 say, they should give lower teams something to hope for and look forward to.
It's not just that either, it acts as a device to help some money filter down.
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Feb 18, 2009 6:50:07 GMT
'How's it going Cowboy you been to the Country & Western bar recently'
Oddly just parked outside there but declined the offer to go in :-) A scary joint if ever there was one
Partly agree with Trouserdog- I think the FA Cup should include teams from Scotland and Northern Ireland maybe ( obviously with preliminary rounds) and freshen it up. As for the League Cup, ok Rochdale playing Man U etc is a glamour tie on paper but turning up to see 17 year old unknowns instead of Rooney etc pisses on the idea. The FA cup can supply that glamour and even we played a weakened team in it.
A Nihilist??? You're out of your league Donnie :-)
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Post by Northy on Feb 18, 2009 7:33:37 GMT
Anyone else ever wondered why it was called the 'League' cup? A 'league' cup at lower levels is the cup played by teams in just one league. Therefore being called the 'League' Cup. ??? It wa scalled the League cup as all 4 divisions used to belong to the Football league, there was a time, a good time, when there wasn't an "FA money for the big clubs league" teams like Stoke, Coventry, Notts County could put a decent team together and compete in the top division and in the cups regularly |
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Post by lordb on Feb 18, 2009 7:47:52 GMT
scrap the League Cup,scrap the FA Cup,scrap the lower divisions,scrap the bottom half of the premier & frankley any football not involving the big 4.
after all thats what people want?
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Feb 18, 2009 7:51:01 GMT
What people are they?
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Post by lordb on Feb 18, 2009 7:56:05 GMT
utter wankers
sorry I know thats not where you are coming from but it could be thin end of the wedge
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Feb 18, 2009 8:02:21 GMT
I know where you're coming from but this year I think the Prem has been exciting due to how tight it is. Not sure what the coverage etc is like on the BBC/Sky etc but here it seems to be pretty much unbiased and the likes of Stoke/Hull/Bolton etc get good recognition. How it should be. Villa seem to be the darlings of the pundits which makes a change.
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Post by lordb on Feb 18, 2009 8:06:07 GMT
ITV's coverage of teh FA Cup has been appaling
Villa finishing in the top 4 is everyones hope.
personally I will be supporting all the non-English sides in the champions league as I agree with Platini that the premership - which really means the big 4 - are destroying football as a competitive sport.
the idea that anyone else can win the league is now ridiculous.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 18, 2009 8:06:08 GMT
I'd keep the FA Cup but (like Trouserdog suggests) I'd replace the League Cup with a British Cup for teams from England, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland.
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 18, 2009 9:56:49 GMT
Seems like many on here have become big time charlies since we got promoted...wheres the thought of the bigger picture of football rather than if we play a league cup game and someone gets injured it might or probably wont affect our prem performance.
Football isn't just about the Prem league...its also about every team having a chance to play the big boys and getting some financial benefit from it.....ask anyone outside the prem if they think the league cup should be scrapped and i think you might get quite a consensus.
Many on here seem to have quickly lost the ability to think outside of SCFC.
All the League cup needs is refreshing and making it different from the FA Cup and TD suggestion is a good one.
Jeez there must be roomfulls of marketing people at the FA who have bugger all to do with their time but play with colouring books.....surely somebody can come up with something new.
Nothing has changed in the format of the league cup for years its just needs rebranding.....but dont take away the dreams of the likes of Crewe or Vale in hoping for the opportunity to compete with the stars up the road at the Brit.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 18, 2009 12:58:49 GMT
sooner the big 4 fuck off to their euro super league the better
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Post by bogus on Feb 18, 2009 13:30:06 GMT
Evidence would suggest that the Prem teams do take it more seriously than people think, especially in the later stages/difficult ties.
The recent finals are:
2009 - ManU v Spurs.
2008 - Chelsea v Spurs (Arsenal beaten in semi)
2007 - Arsenal v Chelsea.
2006 - ManU v Wigan (Arsenal beaten in semi)
2005 - Liverpool v Chelsea (ManU beaten in semi)
2004 - Middlesboro v Bolton
2003 - Liverpool v ManU
The frightening thing is that the big clubs seem to have so much depth in quality to their squads nowadays, that they are still too good for the rest of us with the second string/mixture out.
And I bet the supporters attending on Saturday will enjoy their day out. Especially the winners.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Feb 18, 2009 13:48:14 GMT
Anybody hear that tool Durham's latest attempt to stir up ratings, sorry - interest, last night? Wembley should only be for the FA Cup final, no play-offs, no JP/AW/AG final etc.
So basically, the "Home of Football" would be "The Home of Big Time Charlies because hey, let's face it, they're the only ones who realistically are going to be in the FAC Final". All those "lesser" teams will never be able to have a day in the sun because apparently these "minor" finals "devalue" Wembley.
- Meaning the over-hyped, prawn-sandwich and chablis fest that they want Wembley to be.
"Home of Football"! Don't make me laugh. If they mean what football has become then yes I can see what he means. It certainly isn't the "common man's game" anymore. Maybe it's time football truly returned to its ancestral "home" and that certainly isn't anywhere near London.
FFS!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2009 13:55:14 GMT
it's amazing how suddenly we become a Prem side and the League cup now suddenly is beneath us!!
the league cup is a great way for smaller sides to get chances to play against bigger sides, experience the atmosphere of playing cup ties, chances for players to get in the shop window, smaller clubs can generate revenue with ticket sales/replays etc.
Ok i agree most of the bigger clubs don't see it as important and field weaker sides because of that but there are another 80 odd clubs that see it as a great opportunity to get chances that would otherwise be unavailable to them. To say "Scrap it because no-one cares" is a bit blinkered towards the clubs in the leagues below the Prem and just seems a to be a bit of Premiership arrogance to me
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Post by crimesy on Feb 18, 2009 14:10:38 GMT
ITV's coverage of teh FA Cup has been appaling Villa finishing in the top 4 is everyones hope. personally I will be supporting all the non-English sides in the champions league as I agree with Platini that the premership - which really means the big 4 - are destroying football as a competitive sport. the idea that anyone else can win the league is now ridiculous. Platini is a cunt, i hate the top 4 as much as anyone but this bloke just HATES english football. He is sour and a total twat. To suggest that Chelsea manure and liverpoo should be kciked out of the champions league for there debt problems and over spending, but ignoring Real Madrid and there constant money spending and then constantly being bailed ou by the government when in debt makes my blood boil. |
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Feb 18, 2009 14:27:58 GMT
i don't think it should be scrapped as it can be a good source of income for smaller clubs who have a run (irrespective of what sides the bigger clubs put out to play them) but if there was to be a big change i think it it should be up to the championship and not include premiership sides.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 18, 2009 14:46:02 GMT
I reckon a British cup should replace the league cup, then we could get to laugh at Rangers and Celtic struggling to beat teams like Preston. Plus I'd get to see my second team, Inverness Caley Thistle, play at the Brit. Good idea..a British Cup including all the Scottish clubs and 'all' the Welsh clubs (Wrexham Cardiff Swansea)..should replace the League-Cup... Rather go and watch Inverness Caley Thistle game away..combined with a bit of salmon fishing... |
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Post by pattayapotter on Feb 18, 2009 18:37:01 GMT
Anybody hear that tool Durham's latest attempt to stir up ratings, sorry - interest, last night? Wembley should only be for the FA Cup final, no play-offs, no JP/AW/AG final etc. So basically, the "Home of Football" would be "The Home of Big Time Charlies because hey, let's face it, they're the only ones who realistically are going to be in the FAC Final". All those "lesser" teams will never be able to have a day in the sun because apparently these "minor" finals "devalue" Wembley. - Meaning the over-hyped, prawn-sandwich and chablis fest that they want Wembley to be. "Home of Football"! Don't make me laugh. If they mean what football has become then yes I can see what he means. It certainly isn't the "common man's game" anymore. Maybe it's time football truly returned to its ancestral "home" and that certainly isn't anywhere near London. FFS! For once i agree with Durham, I think it's become more meaningless since they devalued it by playing semi-finals there! It used to be the dream of getting to Wembley in the final, kind of makes it look silly now you get to go in the semi-final |
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Feb 19, 2009 6:55:10 GMT
'it's amazing how suddenly we become a Prem side and the League cup now suddenly is beneath us!!'
Not at all posted the same 2 seasons ago when just saw it as an un-necessary distraction back then. The crowds prove this, pretty shocking if you take time to study them. Supporters in general it seems are giving it the thumbs down not just Prem clubs.
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Are you back in Bangkok or still living in Jomtien? Not heard from you guys for a while and it will be a while before I get back out ???
