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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 17, 2009 13:24:39 GMT
Wonder how many of you will still want to see Camara after a couple of games. The grass is always greener attitude clearly didn't see him at Sunderland where Camara did a passable impression of Cressers when he plays up front. Kelly was dreadful against Sunderland and so I watched the Ireland game to see his true form. If anything he was even worse. Spoke to a Birmingham fan on Saturday, who thought Kelly had left them in the summer as he was their boo boy last season. Lets hope Mama is fit, as we play better as a team with him in the side. I would have Beattie in the team with him and Lawrence on the right. I can't see any alternative on the left from Cresswell. Tonge has been so poor it is unbelievable - Sheff Utd fans warned us his best days are behind him. At the back, lets hope Higgy is fit with Griff on the right if Kelly is still not match fit as the Sentinel is claiming today. I'm willing to give Camara more of a chance than his appearance at the Mackems march. He did miss a sitter but he had very little service in open play but still managed to get a cople of shots away. You may end up being correct but I certainly want to reserve judgement.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 17, 2009 13:28:30 GMT
Of course he's gonna play. We have a manager with the tactical brain of a newt. HOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Post by Danstoke82 on Feb 17, 2009 13:29:17 GMT
Surely Liam MUST start on Saturday? if not, then we would need to assume that their is a big problem behind the scenes and no smokescreen put out by Pulis will cover it up. With his homeboy Delap suspended and Matty Ethers also sitting it out, our only gifted winger is Liam. I'd fully expect Cresswell to the placed on the left wing as per, but this is now when Liam must be brought back into the fray. The guy is a fucking hero after what he done last season and it would be a real shame if this was the end of his career at us because he gives 110% whenever he plays.
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 17, 2009 13:29:52 GMT
Pulis said: “The big fella is a naturally fit lad, not to mention immensely strong, and so he comes into quicker consideration than most players.” I think that's called getting your excuses in early isn't it? ;D Could be, but from experience it's also true. The only time he's come back not that well from injury (once he got on the pitch) was after he got half murdered on international duty. I'd rather see Mama break Pompey down for 60 minutes then Kits come on, though to be fair it wouldn't be the end of the world the other way round.
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Post by wembley4372 on Feb 17, 2009 13:30:36 GMT
Jamo, you must have spotted that Fuller is a poorer player without Mama on the pitch.
The biggest advantage of having Mama back is that the ball might actually stay upfield for a little while before the defence are put back under pressure and hopefully BT and or Camara or even Kitson can work with him.
This is the start of the end of our premier league campaign and we have got to make the most of it starting on Saturday.
We need the Man City crowd atmosphere to turn up and do our bit!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 17, 2009 13:33:35 GMT
Jamo, you must have spotted that Fuller is a poorer player without Mama on the pitch. The biggest advantage of having Mama back is that the ball might actually stay upfield for a little while before the defence are put back under pressure and hopefully BT and or Camara or even Kitson can work with him. This is the start of the end of our premier league campaign and we have got to make the most of it starting on Saturday. We need the Man City crowd atmosphere to turn up and do our bit! Yes I do mate but I was pointing out that I think it works both ways. People often slate Ric for being idle but as I said I don't think any of our others fowards could get on Mama's flicks. My point is they are a good pair and work well TOGETHER, take one out and the other doesn't look as good.
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Post by wembley4372 on Feb 17, 2009 13:36:24 GMT
I wish I could do those 'copy' boxes like you clever lot!
Jamo, I agree with you but I hope Mama proves you slightly wrong by having a great game!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 17, 2009 13:38:35 GMT
I wish I could do those 'copy' boxes like you clever lot! Jamo, I agree with you but I hope Mama proves you slightly wrong by having a great game! Nobody will be happier than me if he's awesome and nets a couple mate, its all about Stoke and more importantly Stoke winning!! (ps just click on the "quote" icon on the top right of the post you're wishing to discuss!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 13:40:16 GMT
Beattie and Camara is far and away the best option for Saturday.
Beattie and Mama leaves no pace up front.
Kitson thrives on service from the wings, and Etherington is out for three games.
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Post by wembley4372 on Feb 17, 2009 13:43:22 GMT
I wish I could do those 'copy' boxes like you clever lot! Jamo, I agree with you but I hope Mama proves you slightly wrong by having a great game! Nobody will be happier than me if he's awesome and nets a couple mate, its all about Stoke and more importantly Stoke winning!! (ps just click on the "quote" icon on the top right of the post you're wishing to discuss!! Bugger me - how easy is that! Cheers Jamo
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 17, 2009 13:43:56 GMT
Nobody will be happier than me if he's awesome and nets a couple mate, its all about Stoke and more importantly Stoke winning!! (ps just click on the "quote" icon on the top right of the post you're wishing to discuss!! Bugger me - how easy is that! Cheers Jamo ;D
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 17, 2009 13:51:28 GMT
Mama in the starting XI? I fucking hope not.
Beattie and Kitson with Camara off the bench (assuming he's not put on one of the wings).
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Feb 17, 2009 14:19:30 GMT
My take on it is that Mama has done really well for us but to think that it's because of him we win games doesn't stand up on it's own. People say that Ric only plays well when Mama plays but I would also suggest Mama only plays well when Ric plays. Mama clearly does a lot of donkey work for Ric but it is Ric who gets on the end (a lot of the time anyway) of Mama's unpredictable flick-ons. In all honesty I couldn't see any other striker we have getting on the end of them as often it's only Ric's pace that gets him there. I see where people are coming from on the "Mama must play" mantra but I honestly believe that its the sum total of the partnership that makes it work for us. I agree with every word of that.
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Post by jarhead on Feb 17, 2009 18:05:41 GMT
Mama in the starting XI? I fucking hope not. Beattie and Kitson with Camara off the bench (assuming he's not put on one of the wings). And me.
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Post by jarhead on Feb 17, 2009 18:06:56 GMT
Or Beattie Camara and Kits late on will do for me.
Sidibe AINT FIT no matter what that lying prick thinks.
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Post by wembley4372 on Feb 17, 2009 18:21:40 GMT
That's some fence you are sitting on jarhead
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Post by stokiehad on Feb 17, 2009 18:47:02 GMT
get in there big mama! lets sort pompey out!
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Post by mikeyb99 on Feb 17, 2009 18:56:11 GMT
Could be a bit too soon for Mama this one unfortunately, hopefully he'll make the bench. As mentioned previously, Mama is (and always has been under Pulis) absolutely vital to our attacking play. He is just about the most athletic player in England: strong, quick, wins 99% of all headers; it also seems he's been more effective in front of goal this season.
I would go for Beattie and Camara, with Mama off the bench. I don't understand why people claim Mama wouldn't work with Beattie - Beatts is very much a goalscorer, and can have all the pressure of being a work-horse target-man taken off him by having Sidibe as his partner.
TBH just as long as it isn't that waster Kitson I don't mind who he puts up front, even Cresswell.
Oh, and Liam MUST start, ideally with Tonge on the opposite flank. Will that happen? No chance!
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Post by MrMagic on Feb 17, 2009 20:56:23 GMT
Wonder how many of you will still want to see Camara after a couple of games. The grass is always greener attitude clearly didn't see him at Sunderland where Camara did a passable impression of Cressers when he plays up front. Kelly was dreadful against Sunderland and so I watched the Ireland game to see his true form. If anything he was even worse. Spoke to a Birmingham fan on Saturday, who thought Kelly had left them in the summer as he was their boo boy last season. Lets hope Mama is fit, as we play better as a team with him in the side. I would have Beattie in the team with him and Lawrence on the right. I can't see any alternative on the left from Cresswell. Tonge has been so poor it is unbelievable - Sheff Utd fans warned us his best days are behind him. At the back, lets hope Higgy is fit with Griff on the right if Kelly is still not match fit as the Sentinel is claiming today. It must be hard work second-guessing what daft formation Pulis is likely to put out and then declaring that it's the best option ;D Cresswell - Goals 0, Assists 0, and yet you think he is the best option. I am suprised
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 17, 2009 22:38:26 GMT
Here's the options:
Mama and Beattie: For argument's sake, Mama wins the ball in the air, Beattie gets it. Then what? We've either got to have a winger storming forward for him to get the ball to very quickly (unlikely if Lawrence doesn't play), have the central midfield push up (yeah, good one) for him to release the ball to or it will fly back at us.
Mama and Camara: Poor man's Mama and Fuller. I suppose it could theoretically work, but they've hardly built up a partnership like the latter.
Mama and Kitson: Won't happen, why bother discussing it? Kitson is redundant. Looked bright for 15 minutes against Tottenham, didn't work after that. Not been successful on any other occasion.
Beattie and Camara: Mama and Fuller with maybe more goals but a fraction of the link up play etc. It's a possible.
Camara and Kitson: When will people learn? Will not work.
Beattie and Kitson: Assuming Beattie does the hard work in the Mama role (let's not pretend we're going to have a tippy-tappy revolution on Saturday, our players are so rushed on the ball it's unreal), what will Kitson do? He won't pick up the pieces and beat his man. He'd get on the end of a cross, perhaps, but who's going to do that? Lawrence on his own?
For me then, it's either Mama and Camara or Beattie and Camara. The primary role of one striker is to get the ball in the final third and make sure it stays up there. I honestly cannot see how we're going to win this.
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