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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Feb 5, 2009 15:45:53 GMT
What about the folks that smuggle booze into the stadium? Shouldn't they be ejected too as they are also breaking the rules.
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Post by doitforever on Feb 5, 2009 15:52:22 GMT
Again what would your local landlord do if you were caught doing the same thing?
The biggest shame of all is it's less money for the club, hardly the mark of a good supporter eh.
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Feb 5, 2009 15:56:52 GMT
I'm not saying either is right, just pointing out the facts. What the club should be doing is providing smoking areas as do other clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 15:57:37 GMT
doitforever, you can’t compare what happens at Stoke to pretty much anything else. Most people in a pub will know the landlord and staff etc and have the respect not to cause them any problems for no reason whatsoever and observe the areas outlined outside for smoking. The ones that do will be in a minority and if a landlord tries to bar them for doing so the chances are not only will the person be removed, the landlord would probably get the backing of most the “public” in there.
The problem at Stoke is these drunken louts do not care whatsoever what the stewards tell them to do, they don’t have any respect for them and outnumber them greatly. Also, as a fan would you step in to help the stewards out? Would you bollocks, it’s not worth your trouble.
The stewards are not in a position to handle this situation, the club need to take responsibility and sort it out, not the stewards.
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Post by hiyadad on Feb 5, 2009 16:13:45 GMT
every pub/club/social event i have been to, there as never been a problem with people smoking inside of a building.smokers know they cant smoke, they dont make a fuss, they go to the smoking area. but at stoke, they have no where to go, so they make people suffer by smoking in the toilets.(safety in numbers and all that) even the most pro smoker as to admit its not right smoking there. its unfair to, not only non smokers, but children and people with chest problems as well. you cant blame the stewards really,(but having said that, if a bouncer/security/landlord told you not to smoke,(most of ) you wouldn't. i think my self, until stoke city are threatened with action by the council, they will not take any notice at all of any one conplaining. smokers will not get their smoking area until then,so every one suffers. as any one any idea if a smoking area is planned?
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 5, 2009 16:24:27 GMT
1) Smoking in the bogs is wrong. Period. Smoking in the concourse is far less problematic if no other provision is made for the smokers.
2) You can't blame the stewards for the reasons some have already said.
3) The club is entirely to blame for this situation because they have imposed a blanket ban on 30% of the supporters and made no provision for them. That is a large minority whichever way you look at it. Governments have been elected with less than that percentage of votes.
4) Watch out for the next attack on your civil liberties. It will come because, as Boother has pointed out, the English roll over too easily to orders from 'above'.
OS.
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Post by stokietillidied on Feb 5, 2009 16:26:52 GMT
It does bother me and I have done something - I've written to Tony Scholes but no success yet, though to his credit he does accept that there is a big problem here that is being looked at, and I generally speak to a Steward every match day but am met with blank looks. I don't pay my money to have to do something - stewards are paid to steward but generally don't want to know about anything that involves doing some work (unless of course there's 10 of them approaching a single person, who's generally under the age of 12 and has left a top on their bottle of coke!) Did they call you snitch at school? Bet you were a popular boy weren't you lol? ;D
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Post by pattayapotter on Feb 5, 2009 16:39:04 GMT
Imagine these dicks 20 years ago when smoking was allowed everywhere, including aircraft and buses ???
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Post by doitforever on Feb 5, 2009 16:41:25 GMT
doitforever, you can’t compare what happens at Stoke to pretty much anything else. Most people in a pub will know the landlord and staff etc and have the respect not to cause them any problems for no reason whatsoever and observe the areas outlined outside for smoking. The ones that do will be in a minority and if a landlord tries to bar them for doing so the chances are not only will the person be removed, the landlord would probably get the backing of most the “public” in there. The problem at Stoke is these drunken louts do not care whatsoever what the stewards tell them to do, they don’t have any respect for them and outnumber them greatly. Also, as a fan would you step in to help the stewards out? Would you bollocks, it’s not worth your trouble. The stewards are not in a position to handle this situation, the club need to take responsibility and sort it out, not the stewards. Agree completely with what you've said, it was what was behind the comment generally, not necessarily a question to those on the board, I think you've summed it up very well. My main point was that anyone who brings booze into the ground deprives the club of revenue, I've been involved in local sport long enough, and at committe level to understand that (not necesarily PL) that it can be very important that people spend money at the bar. Covering the cost of youth team kit, you name it the bar can pay for many things that youngsters (and parents) may not be able to afford ordinarily. I'm sure the bar takings are quite important to PC.
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Post by pattayapotter on Feb 5, 2009 16:42:37 GMT
The biggest shame of all is it's less money for the club, hardly the mark of a good supporter eh. So you saying people who smoke are not good supporters? How about the club looking after all supporters and giving a out door smoking area? What an idiot
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Post by doitforever on Feb 5, 2009 16:44:35 GMT
No, that was just in response to the booze smuggling...
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Post by pattayapotter on Feb 5, 2009 16:46:57 GMT
No, that was just in response to the booze smuggling... You mean some 80 year old man with a flask of whiskey ???
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Post by doitforever on Feb 5, 2009 16:49:18 GMT
What about the folks that smuggle booze into the stadium? Shouldn't they be ejected too as they are also breaking the rules. Wasn't what I read into this comment, unless u2oxeterstokie is worried about there being too many 80 year olds.
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Post by kiwi on Feb 5, 2009 16:53:03 GMT
what about smoke alarms connected to sprinkler system? preferably with petrol not water ;D
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