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Post by spitthedog on Jan 16, 2009 17:34:29 GMT
I have not seen Kitson control a football since we have been in this division I have not seen him test a goalkeeper I have not seen him run past a defender with the ball Unlike Cresswell, there is one thing Kitson can do. He can stand around for hours on end in front of thousands of people sulking week after week. It is clear, Beattie is replacing Kitson in the squad. Bye bye Dave, Stoke career over. that is simply inaccurate, he looked a goal threat against liverpool coming back after a bad injury against possibly the best defence in Europe at the moment. he does hold the ball well, and done his fair share of tracking back and making some crucial tackles in his own penalty area, which indicates he is committed. he looks far more assured on the ball than Cresswell at this level, and he has a record in this division that Cresswell can only dream of.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2009 17:38:39 GMT
I have not seen Kitson control a football since we have been in this division I have not seen him test a goalkeeper I have not seen him run past a defender with the ball Unlike Cresswell, there is one thing Kitson can do. He can stand around for hours on end in front of thousands of people sulking week after week. It is clear, Beattie is replacing Kitson in the squad. Bye bye Dave, Stoke career over. that is simply inaccurate, he looked a goal threat against liverpool coming back after a bad injury against possibly the best defence in Europe at the moment. he does hold the ball well, and done his fair share of tracking back and making some crucial tackles in his own penalty area, which indicates he is committed. he looks far more assured on the ball than Cresswell at this level, and he has a record in this division that Cresswell can only dream of. I agree competely spit. And jut for the record, I thought that Creswell was absolutely awful against West Ham, Blackburn and Newcastle.
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Post by march4 on Jan 16, 2009 17:40:15 GMT
Mate - you clearly see what you want to see! You haven't seen him control a football. Don't be so bloody daft! We've got the message, you don't like Kitson, in fact conveniently you don't like anyone that Pulis appears to hold reservations about. Hardly the depths of independant evaluation is it? I don't like Pericard and yet TP seems to value his presence in the squad. TP signed Kitson and I think TP has made a terrible error of judgment. We all welcomed his signing, but our manager is one who who looks at the character of players as much as their quality. Surely someone knew that Kitson isn't the most committed of players. It is probably rash of both of us to suggest that professional players cannot control a football. However, we both have a point to make - Cresswell lacks the skill and Kitson never gets close enough to the ball to control it ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) I try and present a balanced view, if I fail in that aim I apologise. However I am not going to criticise a fine manager and a player who was one of the key reasons we were promoted last season.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jan 16, 2009 17:52:27 GMT
Away at chelsea we cannot play 2 up front,so the only other option is Kitson OR Beatie up front with 5 midfield/or 4 midfield plus Cresswell,in between the 4 midfielders and the front man,aka mama.We havent got Mama or Fuller so lets see how it pans out,as Kitson doesnt put in a shift away from home.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2009 17:52:54 GMT
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Post by mikeyb99 on Jan 16, 2009 18:00:08 GMT
Cresswell was outstanding v Liverpool, his best performance in a red-and-white shirt IMO.
He deserves this opportunity much more than the lackadaisical Kitson does, and he would complement Beattie as a second striker more successfully that Kitson would.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 16, 2009 18:07:11 GMT
Cresswell was TERRIBLE at West Ham - Won NOTHING
(for those who clearly dont go to away games !!!)
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Jan 16, 2009 18:09:24 GMT
I think alot of people are missing the point here. Surely if we are to have a chance of getting anything tomorrow then our workrate is key. Football wise we cannot compete with Chelski so we are going to have to work our socks off to try and force a point.
With this in mind id play Cresswell over Kitson all day. Yes Kitson is a better footballer, but his workrate comes nowhere near Cresswells, and TBH id rather have Cresswell grafting in midfield than Kitson trotting round up front doing nowt.
Just my opinion anyway..........
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 16, 2009 18:09:40 GMT
that might have been Cresswell's best game against Liverpool, but he lost possession several times putting us under pressure. that is simply because he is incapable of keeping possession at this level. he doesn't look like he knows what to do with the ball when he gets it. i have no axe to grind with him personally, i just think he is a poor player for this level. We desperately need to increase our possession rate in games, it is very optimistic to think we can win games with 30% possession in a match. His control on the ball is poor and he doesn't have the pace to get the ball back.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2009 18:11:36 GMT
I'm clinging to the hope that Pulis is throwing Scolari a curve ball, and hasn't got the slightest intention of starting with Cresswell! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by kiwi on Jan 16, 2009 18:13:02 GMT
people seem to forget that cressy played a massive part in our promotion last season and people who slag him off should hang there heads in shame think you,re missing the point mar mate. 99% of stoke fans are grateful for cressys big contribution getting us up. but sadly players who run their socks off aren,t good enough to keep us in this division.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 16, 2009 18:15:30 GMT
I think alot of people are missing the point here. Surely if we are to have a chance of getting anything tomorrow then our workrate is key. Football wise we cannot compete with Chelski so we are going to have to work our socks off to try and force a point. With this in mind id play Cresswell over Kitson all day. Yes Kitson is a better footballer, but his workrate comes nowhere near Cresswells, and TBH id rather have Cresswell grafting in midfield than Kitson trotting round up front doing nowt. Just my opinion anyway.......... I think this stuff about Kitson's lack of work rate is not true He works hard for the team, he's made some critical tackles in defence, and having players who are more skilful is going to mean that the rest of the team have to spend less time chasing the opposition. just my opinion anyway........
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 16, 2009 18:16:45 GMT
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Cresswell is not an ideal option (obviously), then again Kitson has already proved to be no better. Hopefully we will have Mama back soon, Ric is back next week and possibly A N Other. I'm just glad it's not Vincent.
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Post by TheManWho on Jan 16, 2009 18:16:51 GMT
How is Cresswell dire? I feel so sorry for him. Gives his heart and soul every week, runs until he can't run anymore every single game and thn gets ripped apart by fans. Disgraceful He's better than Kitson, a whole world better. Alays trys and will be perfect to keep chasing Beattie's flicks on Saturday. GO ON CRESSY I have not seen Cresswell control a football since we have been in this division I have not seen him test a goalkeeper I have not seen him run past a defender with the ball i have seen him run around a lot, it's called a headless chicken, i would run around alot for 19k a week, but unfortunatley it needs a bit more than that in this premiership he was even at fault for chelsea's first goal at stoke when is sole purpose for playing was to man mark their right back. i would love him to prove me wrong, but history suggests he his way out of his depth. and Kitson has run past a defender???? Kitson's been a complete waste of money Cresswell > Kitson Tony Pulis has layed a foundation of hardwork and Commitment at this club, regardless of ability. Cresswell is the prime example of this. Cresswell is Stoke City. Kitson is not.
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Post by banburypotter on Jan 16, 2009 18:18:19 GMT
if this happens tomorrow, i will seriously contemplate running to the dugout and kicking pulis squarely in the spuds to see if he gets the message ;D
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Post by trend....... on Jan 16, 2009 18:19:48 GMT
kitson is a much much better option than cresswank imo .
and if cresswell starts tomorrow it proves he is sucking tones cock in the showers
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 16, 2009 18:20:29 GMT
People are getting on Cressy's back again here but horses for courses and all that i don't see Kitson as a clear choice away at Chelsea. We won't see much of the ball in Chelsea's half and lots of chasing and harrying will need to be done. Kitson just hasn't got the engine to do this while Cresswell has. Kitson is a box player who can put a chance away if you set it up for him but how many chances do people expect us to create for him at Stamford Bridge.
I've read people on here say things like Cresswell hasn't beaten a man all season, troubled a goalkeeper or even had many shots but you need to ask the same question about Kitson who's done none of those things either and doesn't help defend like Cressy does.
At home or against other opposition then fine, Kitson all the time but away to the top teams i've got no problem with Pulis choosing Cresswell.
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Post by crashbandicoot on Jan 16, 2009 18:20:39 GMT
Regardless of what people say about Kitson, lazy goals etc I still think he shows a lot more quality than Cress does
Thought he had arguably his best game for the club last week
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Post by Beebster on Jan 16, 2009 18:28:33 GMT
i can see Beattie up front alone with a 5 man midfield
Sorensen
Wilko, Shawcross, Abdy Faye (C), Higgy
Cresswell, Delap, Amdy Faye, Whelan, Etherington Beattie
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Jan 16, 2009 18:30:30 GMT
spitthedog
Well we both know that Pulis is never going to play 4-4-2 and im presuming you'd like to see Beattie as the striker so are you happy to see Kitson played out of position again behind the forward? Are you happy to see him spit his dummy out when we are getting played off the park? Or would you rather a guy that chases everything, every loose ball and every half hearted pass and doesnt just give up if it is not directly into his feet? I know what id rather see. We need to play to our strengths and as Pulis will probably play Beattie as the lone striker tomorrow then we need grafters in midfield to try and win posession back. Id love us to play Arsenal carpet football too but it aint goin to happen mate.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Jan 16, 2009 18:35:48 GMT
Trumptonpotter
You are absolutely spot on mate.
Why people hold Kitson in such high regard is beyond me? 5.5million and he had an ok game against liverpool last week (oh and he should have scored when he rounded the keeper). Apart from that he has done the best part of nowt. A few nice touches and passes here and there but as far as I can see then if Cresswell isnt good enough for this level then Kitson isnt much better, especially given the price tag round his neck.
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Post by pushon on Jan 16, 2009 18:36:29 GMT
Spot on March4 and eltravo, so far Kitson has been useless. The archetypal southern softy
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Post by march4 on Jan 16, 2009 18:38:03 GMT
Good this football isn't it?
Not only are results unpredictable, but the widely differing opinions keep us going for hours.
One little thing we can all agree on. Thank goodness Pericard isn't playing instead of Beattie ;D
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Post by jarhead on Jan 16, 2009 18:56:44 GMT
spitthedog.......WELL SAID.
Cresswell is wank in this league.
Two wingers tomoz and Two strikers who can play in this league has to be the only obvious option but come on we have Pulis as manager ffs...the norm is never a TP favourite!
If you play Cress and score then great but i doubt it.
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Post by moortownpotter on Jan 16, 2009 19:06:29 GMT
How people can want to see Cresswell ahead of Kitson is beyond belief?
At Bolton away, who raced back from our corner to clear it off the line when we were 3-0 down? Work rate? Kitson puts it in, crikey, he's just back from injury for God's sake.
Yeah, Cresswell scored goals last season and helped us get promoted. I am eternally greatful, but in the Premiership, Kitson is by far the better player. As someone said earlier, work rate isn't enough. We'd all run our arses off if we were on the pitch, but if you looked at Kitson's link up play last week you can tell that, very soon, he will either create goals or score goals now the team has more of an attacking threat.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 16, 2009 19:11:24 GMT
Erm, did half the posters on this thread SEE Cressy last week? Personally I wouldn't start him tomorrow either but if he does there's no reason to expect it to be a joke.
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Post by MrMagic on Jan 16, 2009 19:50:08 GMT
Mate - you clearly see what you want to see! You haven't seen him control a football. Don't be so bloody daft! We've got the message, you don't like Kitson, in fact conveniently you don't like anyone that Pulis appears to hold reservations about. Hardly the depths of independant evaluation is it? I don't like Pericard and yet TP seems to value his presence in the squad. TP signed Kitson and I think TP has made a terrible error of judgment. We all welcomed his signing, but our manager is one who who looks at the character of players as much as their quality. Surely someone knew that Kitson isn't the most committed of players. It is probably rash of both of us to suggest that professional players cannot control a football. However, we both have a point to make - Cresswell lacks the skill and Kitson never gets close enough to the ball to control it ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) I try and present a balanced view, if I fail in that aim I apologise. However I am not going to criticise a fine manager and a player who was one of the key reasons we were promoted last season. Fair do's. I happen to think that kitson is making the effort, and a combination of a new position, lack of service and lack of regular games has hindered his start. I have every faith that with improved colleagues and better service he would score goals for us. I never knock Cresswell personally, but I don't think he is the best option, regardless of what he has done for the club.
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Post by fromafar07 on Jan 16, 2009 19:57:14 GMT
I would definitely play Cresswell tomorrow..............
in the role of waterboy !!!!!!! he is crap and has played nothing but crap ALL season !!!
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 16, 2009 20:01:40 GMT
'Cresswell is Stoke City. Kitson is not. '
Oh Dear, we are in more trouble than i thought.!!!!!
Remember Tony Pulis saw enough in Kitson to persuade the chairman to shell out £5 million plus. Now if you think Cresswell is a better player, our beloved manager has made THE cock up of all cock ups.
I believe it was way too much, no one else would have paid more than £3m, we were well and truly screwed on that deal, but that is not the player's fault.
If we try to play only in our half against Chelsea we will also get screwed, we tried it home to Chelsea and that was the most one sided game i have seen in a long time. reading this board you would think there are only 2 types of playing football i.e. camping in own half and gung ho.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2009 20:03:11 GMT
To be honest Ric, Mama and Beattie would be my first three choices with Cresswekk and Kitson there as back up for injuries,suspensions etc. As that's all either are realistically going to be used for and as to be fair Cresswell has given his all for the club game after game last season to help us get here in the first place,why dowe all feel the need to start slagging him off and desperately trying to offload him to any School under 11 side that will take him? I never saw many people giving him this hard a time this time last year, but suddenly because we're in the Prem and spending loads we don't need him anymore??! And Kitson has proven his quality already before joining us. The guy hasn't had any kind of run in a red and white shirt yet,are you expecting him to be golden boot in his first year?? Isn't it about time we started to show some gratitude for the work that people like Cresser put in to get us here in the first place and start actually getting behind our boys for once?
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