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Post by Rex on Jan 23, 2004 14:46:40 GMT
Still not on the official site (no change there then)
The results of the Wrongful Dismissal appeals sent to the Video Advisory Panel regarding Adrian Forbes and Richard Johnson are as follows;
Adrian Forbes, Luton Town FC
Luton Town FC v Stockport County FC
Nationwide League, Division 2, 17 Jan 04
Dismissed for Violent Conduct
Appeal successful
Richard Johnson, Stoke City FC
Wimbledon FC v Stoke City FC
Nationwide League, Division 1, 17 Jan 04
Dismissed for Violent Conduct
Appeal unsuccessful
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Post by Admin on Jan 23, 2004 14:49:29 GMT
Oh well - no room for common sense in football is there   |
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Post by maucek on Jan 23, 2004 14:49:48 GMT
Not surprised. It was handbags really and he probably didn't deserve to be singled out, but they don't like undermining their referees if they don't have to, and he certainly raised his hands and shoved the guy pretty hard twice.
A yellow would have surficed.
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Post by cpepper on Jan 23, 2004 14:52:17 GMT
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Jan 23, 2004 14:52:57 GMT
It is five missing for Walsall then if Ade fails his appeal
That must be some sort of record for Stoke - I certainly can't remember 5 first teamers being banned at the same time
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Post by Admin on Jan 23, 2004 14:54:51 GMT
How he can be singled out when, in that incident alone, there were at least two other offences of similar or greater seriousness is just mind-boggling! It just makes you want to scream.  I didn't think they'd let us off twice in quick succession. In future we must tell our players not to retaliate in these situations. Simply rugby tackle the opposing player to the floor, because THAT is NOT a red card offence. When will we learn to start acting in the strange way that referees seem to think football should be played?  |
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Post by IlfordDave1975 on Jan 23, 2004 14:56:45 GMT
I want these extra face's smudge has ........  |
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Post by Admin on Jan 23, 2004 15:01:42 GMT
Dave,  Now let's keep to the topic of the thread please!  PS ~ I know you're now trying to track them down via the URL though! |
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Post by angescfc on Jan 23, 2004 15:15:52 GMT
It's the best thing to happen for us coz he can't play for us for a bit so he might lose some weight before he gets put in the team!
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Post by homerj on Jan 23, 2004 15:19:43 GMT
Yes Ange, thats just what I will be thinking when Walsall are running rings around our inexperienced midfield?! ???
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Post by maucek on Jan 23, 2004 15:20:16 GMT
Whether or not there were offences that the ref. missed is irellavent I'm afraid. The panels only concern is what Johnson did, and I'm afraid that although he didn't deserve a sending off, he did enough for them to refuse the appeal. They don't want to undermine their refs, and Johnson certainly gave them an excuse not to overturn the card as he raised his hands and twice shoved the player.
This is how the police work when there's a group anarchy. "I was only doing what everyone else was doing" is no defence in law. The villagers of Gnosall put up a fake speed trap because they're dicks, and the police can't prosecute them all as it would cause anarchy, so they just prosecute one, and slowy but surely the signs come down.
A mate and I were planning on going out one night and changing them all to 40 but instead we got drunk and hit on women. (unsuccesfully)
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Post by padders01 on Jan 23, 2004 15:20:19 GMT
Harsh Ange
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Post by NorwichStokie on Jan 23, 2004 15:23:04 GMT
Dave, I couldn't work it out either. I just feel so....  when Smudge does that!  |
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Post by angescfc on Jan 23, 2004 15:26:13 GMT
It's not harsh Padders it's honest. He isn't fit to be playing with all that baggage, like Bjarni wasn't when Godjon wouldn't drop him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2004 15:28:41 GMT
what's that now then for Walsall?  De Goey Halls Hill(?) Taggart Clarke Hoekstra Russell Svard Neal Akinbiyi(?) Noel-Williams + Asaba, Cutler, Commons, Keogh, Greenacre, Iwelumo, Paul Williams With no Hill it wouldn't be all that surprising for Clarke to be switched central alongside Taggart and even have Commons back in his old left back position behind Neal  really really scraping the barrel here... |
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Post by romfordstokie on Jan 23, 2004 15:30:07 GMT
Doesn't look good for Ade then in a simple my word against his case.
Walsall is starting to look a bit grim!
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Post by angescfc on Jan 23, 2004 15:35:22 GMT
at least greenacre will be able to play |
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Post by JR on Jan 23, 2004 15:36:27 GMT
Please God
let him off this once.
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Post by angescfc on Jan 23, 2004 15:42:54 GMT
Hey up JR how did I know you'd reply to that!  ;D |
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Post by tel2u on Jan 23, 2004 15:44:57 GMT
An absolute outrage!
I can see Smudges point about not rescinding two red cards in quick succession, but what happened to the ethic of taking each case on its merits?
Clearly the F.A appear not to have done so in this instance!
Johnson's participation in the incident was nothing compared to the hauling down of Goey and the scandalous tackles on Hookey and Commons, for which neither offending player recieved a red card,or even a yellow in one case, plus the tackle on Russell just outside the penalty box which saw again saw the offender escape completely without even a 'word in the ear', it just illustrates what a complete joke this appeals panel is.
In fact, it totally mirrors the incompetance of the officials.
Maucek....'hard pushes' you must be joking, Gerard and Ince demonstrated 'hard pushes' on Wednesday night .....and niether got booked for that incident!
Consistancy!........what a JOKE that word has become, since the F.A and related Governing bodies starting preaching it !
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Post by JR on Jan 23, 2004 15:47:13 GMT
I couldn't resist Ange Would be a disaster if we lost Ade as well though. If he swore at the ref etc then why wasn't he sent off at the time? Can't you red card a player after the final whistle? Didn't Cantona get sent off v Galatasaray once? |
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Post by Widget123 on Jan 23, 2004 15:51:45 GMT
it could go eitherway.. walsall have their own fiar share of players injured/suspended/leaving the club - this is samways by the by - he's returning to spain/portugul or wherever his home now is. so they are at least 4 or 5 players down too - including their first choice keeper who's suspended.
Widget,
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Post by angescfc on Jan 23, 2004 15:56:10 GMT
lol I knew you couldn't resist me JR It'd be a nightmare without Ade the form he's in! |
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Post by maucek on Jan 23, 2004 16:00:23 GMT
TEL
The red card had already been given. If they can find any reason not to overturn it, they will. Johnson clearly raised his hands and pushed the player twice.
I'm not saying it was fair or consistent with the rest of the game, but they weren't investigating the rest of the game, they were only reviewing the incident with Johnson. The lesson is simple, give them no excuse.
These players are playing for high stakes and it's about time they learned not to get involved, and not to raise the hands.
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Post by JR on Jan 23, 2004 16:12:52 GMT
Whenever the G word is mentioned we both appear Ange.
Vinny Samways has a bar in Porto Banus a rather fashionable part of Spain.
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Post by Rex on Jan 23, 2004 16:51:29 GMT
Tel & Smudge both wrote that they think it was rejected because we had one a couple of weeks ago, can I just say that that is not true.
As much as I thought we would be successful (which included email to the club) the disciplinary panel can only go on the evidence presented to them in the way of video evidence. If there is just a slight error in either the video or if there is any query about the intentions of the player, then they will knock it back.
I also sit on a disciplinary panel and we have to follow the guidelines as set by the FA & FIFA.
Good news is that they came down hard on those preston players ;D
Rex
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Post by Pricey on Jan 23, 2004 17:31:13 GMT
This is not even up for debate!
Maucek is spot on, even if he shouldn't have been sent off in the first place (he should have been at least cautioned by the rules of the game by the sounds of it) the decision to not rescind the red card is totally justified.
The fact is you are not supposed to push other players. I know it makes the game something of a farce, but those are the rules and if the players are stupid enough to push each other they should have no defence whatsoever if booked or sent off.
I know people are more worried about the inconsistencies within individual games and across multiple games, but in this case the debating should have ended a few days after the incident when everyone stopped talking about the sending off itself.
Oh, and why we even bothered appealing when Johnson had to have a go at the 4th official I don't know. Can't players start to show a little self-control and stop acting like spoilt kids? He was sent off, what was having a go at the 4th official going to achieve exactly?
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Post by no1stokie on Jan 23, 2004 20:20:32 GMT
5 banned is unusual.
Though were used to missing 5, normally a combination of Stoke's unluck, people being injured and suspensions.
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Post by LiverpoolStokie on Jan 23, 2004 20:31:36 GMT
I think what really gets under the skin is the lack of consistency . De Goey is hauled down but its a yellow. A lot of other players were pushing and involved but nothing for them. I still maintain that Nige's commentary indicated the 4th official was influenced by the Wimbledon bench (just my interpretation of the commentary). Rex, not having a go at you, but following rules slavishly really is for me questionable ???. What happened to common sense and freedom of thougt....sorry of course this is the FA ;D! |
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Post by Rex on Jan 23, 2004 20:39:48 GMT
LS Not a problem ;D Thats the trouble with appeals, the Panel are not interested in other incidents of the game. Just the incident of the send off. The only way the club have any say in the Referees performance is by way of written reply in the referees marking, but if they mark under 4 have to put in a reason why. Whether the club do this or not I dont know. One would hope they are professional enough to know of this. but we are talking Stoke PR  Rex |
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