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Post by sweetandinnocent on Dec 1, 2008 14:11:24 GMT
Pace, power, Skill, good prospect and would be eager to play in the premiership.
Would be a great fringe player with potential and a good investment. Surely we could'nt go wrong bringing him to the brit, not as our main striking target, but somebody to add worthy compitition and give us more options. We could do a lot worse.
I know who'd i'd prefer over Pericard & Creswell.
How much could we get him for? how skint are leeds?
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Post by knowles on Dec 1, 2008 14:14:34 GMT
Derby were strongly linked with him last January for about £1.5 million I think.
His stock has risen since then and will probably cost £3-4 million in this transfer market (Delph is touted at approx £6 million).
He seems to be a class player who knows where the back of the net is. However, it would be an expensive gamble for someone relatively inexperienced (particularly, of course, at the highest level).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 14:16:58 GMT
I reckon he’d be available for around 3 million however in a world where Myhill is worth 8 mill and Fat Andy Reid is worth 4 or 5 mill, who knows?!!
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Post by Bick on Dec 1, 2008 14:25:11 GMT
....Andy Reid is 5mil?!.... where's that from?! Sell Vince, must be worth 4mil then!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 14:29:06 GMT
Bickstoke, as part of operation “spunk cash away”, Keano splashed around 4 million on Reidy.
Incidentally, Andy Reid is, pound for pound, the fattest player in the premier league.
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Dec 1, 2008 14:42:22 GMT
Its a shame but its hard to see Tony taking the risk with beckford ??? He looks a top player and like you say, knows where the goal is. I wish TP would take a gamble now & again i can see beckford going to wigan as Stevie Bruce has a reputation for bringing in lower league players with potential, as does David Moyes and Everton. IMO we could really miss out if we dont test the water with Beckford as for Delph knowles, for TP to spend £6m on a league 1 player, can't see it can you? ???
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 1, 2008 14:53:56 GMT
Its a shame but its hard to see Tony taking the risk with beckford ??? He looks a top player and like you say, knows where the goal is. I wish TP would take a gamble now & again i can see beckford going to wigan as Stevie Bruce has a reputation for bringing in lower league players with potential, as does David Moyes and Everton. IMO we could really miss out if we dont test the water with Beckford as for Delph knowles, for TP to spend £6m on a league 1 player, can't see it can you? ??? Hope he des go to Wigan - we can have Camara then
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Dec 1, 2008 14:59:08 GMT
TP - maybe, i'd be happy with either to be honest. Can we lose cressy and pericard and have both mr coates??? ;D
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Post by salopstick on Dec 1, 2008 15:08:27 GMT
beckford is destined to score where ever he goes and i would love to see him at stoke
i remember fergie not taking a chance on robbie keane when at wolves for similar reasons, the 6 mil i think coventry paid for him does not seem alot now
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 1, 2008 15:08:34 GMT
TP - maybe, i'd be happy with either to be honest. Can we lose cressy and pericard and have both mr coates??? ;D That would be real nice but if it was an either or we desperately need cover for Fuller because in his absence we're pretty toothless. Sidibe is made of granite and just seems to get up, dust himself down and go again while i always see Fuller as one trip away from an injury that we can barely afford.
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Post by ManderBeast on Dec 1, 2008 15:22:06 GMT
I think Camara is shit...
hardly pulling up trees on Wigan's bech is he now? Beckford all the way. Has alot of raw talent, grab him now & nurcher him into a gem Tone.... Eventual replacement for Fuller i reckon..
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 1, 2008 15:24:14 GMT
I know 2 lads that have season tickets with Leeds and they think Beckford is very overrated. He plays well every so often and they doubt he would score over 12 goals in the Champ let alont the Prem and that his attitude isnt great either.
I would much prefer Camara but with his recent form for Wigan that looks unlikely but i think we could do a lot worse then Harewood and, completely unrealistic with his wages, but Martins would be a great signing
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Dec 1, 2008 15:33:35 GMT
Dont think he would hack it in the premier tbh, good championship player though.
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Post by knowles on Dec 1, 2008 15:38:43 GMT
as for Delph knowles, for TP to spend £6m on a league 1 player, can't see it can you? ??? Absolutely no chance whatsoever and, to be honest, I wouldn't want him to. Yes, he has good potential but £6 million would be one hell of a lot of money for someone who has only played a small handful of games at a relatively low level (we can say that now we are in the Premier League )
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 1, 2008 16:09:39 GMT
beckford is destined to score where ever he goes and i would love to see him at stoke i remember fergie not taking a chance on robbie keane when at wolves for similar reasons, the 6 mil i think coventry paid for him does not seem alot now Ahh yes, it's easy to pull out one example where a 6 mill gamble has paid off but it's hardly proof that we should do it. I'm sure with a little help from Ilford Dave and the like we could find lots more examples of 6mill gambles that have gone wrong. I'll start the ball rolling: Balaban at Villa - 8 mill i think and barely played Errrr Kitson - nearly 6 mill
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 1, 2008 16:17:13 GMT
I think Camara is shit... hardly pulling up trees on Wigan's bech is he now? Beckford all the way. Has alot of raw talent, grab him now & nurcher him into a gem Tone.... Eventual replacement for Fuller i reckon.. Hmm, well Camara has scored 2 in the last 2 (when finally given his chance) and when he was at the Wolves he nearly kept them up on his own. Plus he's lightning quick which is why i'd see him as Fuller's cover while Beckford looks more like a big bruiser. May suit our play but Fuller is the only player we have with that something different and he get's injured ... IMO we're fooked.
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Post by knowles on Dec 1, 2008 16:21:45 GMT
I'm sure Bruce will be reluctant to offload Camara. Heskey has so far refused to sign a contract and Zaki is only a loanee. Add Camara's recently good form to the mix and it all leads to a) an unlikely signing or b) a signing who will be much more than the £1 million mentioned at the start of September* *unless he's out of contract in the summer
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 1, 2008 16:26:20 GMT
I'm sure Bruce will be reluctant to offload Camara. Heskey has so far refused to sign a contract and Zaki is only a loanee. Add Camara's recently good form to the mix and it all leads to a) an unlikely signing or b) a signing who will be much more than the £1 million mentioned at the start of September* *unless he's out of contract in the summer He 'is' out of contract in the summer knowlesy which i'm sure you know and we were talking based on the fact that somebody said Bruce may go for Beckford. Plus you're forgetting one major advantage we have. What country is he from? We're putting together the B team
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Post by french toast on Dec 1, 2008 16:36:03 GMT
beckford, not for me, id prefer to get cole from west ham, pulis would get the best out of him and i think hes only 24ish
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Post by salopstick on Dec 1, 2008 16:39:11 GMT
beckford is destined to score where ever he goes and i would love to see him at stoke i remember fergie not taking a chance on robbie keane when at wolves for similar reasons, the 6 mil i think coventry paid for him does not seem alot now Ahh yes, it's easy to pull out one example where a 6 mill gamble has paid off but it's hardly proof that we should do it. I'm sure with a little help from Ilford Dave and the like we could find lots more examples of 6mill gambles that have gone wrong. I'll start the ball rolling: Balaban at Villa - 8 mill i think and barely played Errrr Kitson - nearly 6 mill you have to gamble because for a decent premiership striker, proven at scoring lots of goals, right age and temperment 8-12m is the going rate id rather gamble on a prospect like beckford or ebanks blake than spunk similar amounts of money on players like camara and harewood who have not shown consistency in the prem
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Post by salopstick on Dec 1, 2008 16:39:42 GMT
i would not pay more than 3 for him though and that with clauses
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Dec 1, 2008 16:41:08 GMT
Ahh yes, it's easy to pull out one example where a 6 mill gamble has paid off but it's hardly proof that we should do it. I'm sure with a little help from Ilford Dave and the like we could find lots more examples of 6mill gambles that have gone wrong. I'll start the ball rolling: Balaban at Villa - 8 mill i think and barely played Errrr Kitson - nearly 6 mill you have to gamble because for a decent premiership striker, proven at scoring lots of goals, right age and temperment 8-12m is the going rate id rather gamble on a prospect like beckford or ebanks blake than spunk similar amounts of money on players like camara and harewood who have not shown consistency in the prem Me too. i would'nt mind camara if TP could make him consistent because he does have the ability, but i'd take an unknown quantity in Beckford over Harewood anyday. Look at the impact Tim Cahill and lescott made at Everton, sometimes if the player looks the part as beckford does, you have to take the gamble, if you were to sell T Cahill now he would probably fetch £10m+ As a previous poster has said J Beckford will score goals where ever he goe's because he has the raw talent.
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 1, 2008 16:48:17 GMT
Ahh yes, it's easy to pull out one example where a 6 mill gamble has paid off but it's hardly proof that we should do it. I'm sure with a little help from Ilford Dave and the like we could find lots more examples of 6mill gambles that have gone wrong. I'll start the ball rolling: Balaban at Villa - 8 mill i think and barely played Errrr Kitson - nearly 6 mill you have to gamble because for a decent premiership striker, proven at scoring lots of goals, right age and temperment 8-12m is the going rate id rather gamble on a prospect like beckford or ebanks blake than spunk similar amounts of money on players like camara and harewood who have not shown consistency in the prem I know what you're saying and he may be brilliant but people mentioned earlier on this thread he may cost 6 million. So we're nearly at 8 anyway and he's not even proven at championship level yet. For the same money yes i'd prefer Beckford or Ebanks Blake aswell but Camara wont cost anywhere near 6 mill. Fuller is the number 1 no matter who he brings in in my eyes so we need cover. Camara for 2-3 million would be perfect and he's an ideal impact sub. I like your assumption that it would be money spunked up the wall though ... based on what exactly?
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Post by knowles on Dec 1, 2008 16:55:01 GMT
Carlton Cole has just signed a new contract with West Ham. Very true about nationality TT- he can join Senegal FC, right here in the Potteries The one problem with Camara is his temperament- he refused to play for Wolves when they went down and if (god forbid) the worst did happen, it really would be money up the wall. What I like about him is his pace and he should settle fairly quickly (wouldn't have to move house and plenty of mates here)
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Post by french toast on Dec 1, 2008 16:55:32 GMT
what do people think about carlton cole, hes only a bit part player and has pace can score goals over 6ft tall english
worth a gamble at 4 million?
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Dec 1, 2008 16:59:13 GMT
i like the idea of carlton cole but like knowles says, just signed a new contract
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 1, 2008 17:00:58 GMT
Carlton Cole has just signed a new contract with West Ham. Very true about nationality TT- he can join Senegal FC, right here in the Potteries The one problem with Camara is his temperament- he refused to play for Wolves when they went down and if (god forbid) the worst did happen, it really would be money up the wall. What I like about him is his pace and he should settle fairly quickly (wouldn't have to move house and plenty of mates here) I agree Knowlesy - thought the same myself until recently when i heard Paul Jewell talking about him on TV. Said he was very mis-understood in that respect. Said he's a lovely, hard working fella and he never had a single problem with him, he's as fast as they come and defenders hate playing against him. Now Paul Jewell is no footballing guru i know but i don't understand why he would make that up to be honest.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 1, 2008 17:06:23 GMT
you have to gamble because for a decent premiership striker, proven at scoring lots of goals, right age and temperment 8-12m is the going rate id rather gamble on a prospect like beckford or ebanks blake than spunk similar amounts of money on players like camara and harewood who have not shown consistency in the prem I know what you're saying and he may be brilliant but people mentioned earlier on this thread he may cost 6 million. So we're nearly at 8 anyway and he's not even proven at championship level yet. For the same money yes i'd prefer Beckford or Ebanks Blake aswell but Camara wont cost anywhere near 6 mill. Fuller is the number 1 no matter who he brings in in my eyes so we need cover. Camara for 2-3 million would be perfect and he's an ideal impact sub. I like your assumption that it would be money spunked up the wall though ... based on what exactly? i mean you get strikers like harewood, camara, king, ricketts, jeffers, etc who managers keep shelling out for but apart from brief glimses do nothing special and then promptly moved on ok rickets may be a bad example but you know what i mean if they were that good they would be kept and played simple as that. i think championship players such as ebanks blake and doyle and to a lessser extent beckford playing every week and scoring are a lesser gamble than reserve player like harewood and camera. as i believe they would be grateful for the opportunity and would want to prove doubters wrong i would like to see more lower league players getting that opportunity as they would appreciate it more what is the game coming too when players would rather play reserve football on big money than play for a lesser team
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 1, 2008 17:25:25 GMT
In cases like Healy and Nugent yes, benchwarming money grabbers who were never going to make the first team. I'd argue the point over Harewood and Camara though. I see them more as players who went to clubs hoping they would play more but just haven't had an extended chance. Let's be honest though i don't see many strikers coming in and shifting out Fuller and Sidibe.
So in my view we need a cheap cover for Fuller (Camara would be my viable option) and if we are gonna spend big money it just 'has to be spent' in central midfield or on the left. I could see us spending 5 mill on Beckford and him warming the bench. We have one of them already and if we sign big in January it has to be on 1st team starters.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 17:40:12 GMT
Harewood has scored goals at every club he's played for. He doesn't feature much for Villa, but when he does, he's popped up with some important goals. For a club of our stature, I can't see us doing better than him or Camara.
I like Ebanks-Blake but can you really see Wolves getting rid in January when he's central to their promotion push?
Beckford looks a world beater in League One. A league where Chris Greenacre scores 15-20 goals a season. Don't remember him setting the world on fire in the Championship, I'm sure he's improved since then, but not convinced he's the answer.
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