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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Nov 29, 2008 8:26:16 GMT
Come on then all you people that say Barton, McCormick etc are the scum of the earth and should not be given another chance. What do you think to the fact that Mama was a drug dealer. There should be some very interesting reads on here from a very opinionated bunch.
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Post by northstokie on Nov 29, 2008 8:33:52 GMT
Mama was a child in a dodgy French place where he grew up amongst gang wars and did what he did to fit in and stay alive..
Barton is a professional footballer making 50k/week but still sees fit to batter people randomly and stub cigars out in people's eyes...
McCormick is also a professional football player who with no regard for anyone else jumped into a 70k car with no insurance whilst pissed and killed two kiddies whilst speeding
I think they are a bit difference and to even start to compare them is very naive on your part...
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2008 8:35:10 GMT
we have all done things we are not proud of, i dont agree with him but see his reasons why. he rose above that back ground to become a role model
joey barton is still in in the gutter
end of arguement
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 29, 2008 8:40:42 GMT
I take it that this is a response to the article about Mama's upbringing in a dodgy Paris suburb? The same article in which Mama gives thanks for his strict upbringing, and for his dad putting him on the straight and narrow? The same article in which we learn that Mama financially supports not only his direct family in Paris, but also his extended family in Mali? The same article which contains an interview with Mama conducted at a primary school in Biddulph where he was promoting a community scheme to get underprivleged kids involved in sport? The same article where Mama speaks of his commitment to the Mali national team, despite having to have blood transfusions after he was beaten up by Mali fans after a defeat?
Somehow I don't think you can really compare Mama with Joey 'stub a cigar out in your eye' Barton.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Nov 29, 2008 8:44:03 GMT
Don't get me wrong people I love Mama and also think he is a great bloke. I just wondered about people opinion compared to the likes of Barton and McCormick. Now that we too have a player that has made mistakes how do peoples opinions suddenly change?
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 29, 2008 8:48:30 GMT
It seems as though Mama made mistakes as a kid and with 'support' (read, a good beating) from his dad, managed to turn his life around. It seems that Mama has made the most of his second chance.
Barton has had chance after chance and is still the worst kind of thug. There's the difference.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Nov 29, 2008 8:49:48 GMT
It seems as though Mama made mistakes as a kid and with 'support' (read, a good beating) from his dad, managed to turn his life around. It seems that Mama has made the most of his second chance. Barton has had chance after chance and is still the worst kind of thug. There's the difference. And McCormick?
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 29, 2008 8:52:26 GMT
McCormick's mistake unfortunately ended in the death of two kids. I can't comment on whether or not he's learned from that mistake. I suspect he will have.
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Nov 29, 2008 9:05:32 GMT
The clue is in your question - WAS a drug dealer. Stupid post, even for you.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Nov 29, 2008 9:11:33 GMT
The clue is in your question - WAS a drug dealer. Stupid post, even for you. God there are some 2 faced wankers on here. Talk about double standards.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2008 9:11:07 GMT
most footballers will tell you football saved them from a life of crime and scummery as will most boxers
rugby players however.............
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Nov 29, 2008 9:22:23 GMT
The clue is in your question - WAS a drug dealer. Stupid post, even for you. God there are some 2 faced wankers on here. Talk about double standards. Thanks for the compliments.
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Nov 29, 2008 9:32:56 GMT
One was drunk and killed two kids, another is nothing more than a thug who beats people up for fun and the other plays for Stoke.
Top bloke is big Mama
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 29, 2008 9:40:10 GMT
Stafford...your effort to get a debate going here is laughable. If you read the article properly and understand what is being portrayed, you would see that there can be no comparison at all between the Mama's of this world and the likes of Joey Barton.
Mama, as many kids do, fell in with the wrong crowd as a youngster, starting doing some dodgy things, but quickly realised right from wrong, and emerged from a dodgy environment as the person we see today.
Barton and McCormick meanwhile have made horrendous mistakes, one of which cost the lives of two young children, when, as an ADULT, they really should know better.
There is no comparison to be made I am afraid.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Nov 29, 2008 9:44:15 GMT
Look at it this way mama knew he has done wrong as a child and made a go of his life when he was young.As for the rest they are grown men whop shouldnt be doing this kind of stuff at this time in there life.Mama looked at his ways from an early age and worked at his mistakes not smashing people in streets now though is.Rant over stupid post if you ask me mate.
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Nov 29, 2008 9:44:19 GMT
Johnno! They are not mistakes that those two players made. That Plymouth keeper did not mistake getting into his motor when he was pissed up and that scouse f**k wit did not beat people up and burn them with fags by mistake!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 29, 2008 9:55:04 GMT
I would agree re Barton as the lad is simply a thug with a massive ego.
The McCormick incident was a big mistake on his part though and I am sure it is one that he will regret for the rest of his life. I am sure that it has ruined his life.
I don't condone drink driving in any way shape or form, but I am absolutely certain that all of us will have driven in the morning, when in all liklihood we were over the limit.
McCormick was stupid, but intending to do what he did would have been the furthest thought from his mind. Barton on the other hand undoubtedly did intend to hurt and injure his victim.
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Post by truckerged on Nov 29, 2008 10:08:24 GMT
stafford stokie how the fuck can you stick up for that twat barton? he is just a thug and a bully. i dont know what he is doing out on the streets keep clear of geordieland i say or else you might find some twat stubbing a fag in your eye. mama has had to learn the hard way now look at him he is a shinning example. to even mention mama and barton in the same sentence is an insult
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Nov 29, 2008 10:14:42 GMT
Bit of a no brainer that one stafford to be honest, ones made the most of his opportunity and turned his life and other peoples around through hard work and success.
ones a twat who will always be a twat though money and success may have made him worse.
ones made the biggest mistake of his life and deserves all he gets, i hope it messes his head up for life (read about the case in detail b4 you slate me for that statement), with a big factor being money and success.
no names mentioned so how easy is it to decide who's who ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2008 10:15:19 GMT
Stafford, Barton has had chance after chance after chance, and you stick up for him every single time.
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Post by Davef on Nov 29, 2008 10:27:54 GMT
Stafford...your effort to get a debate going here is laughable. If you read the article properly and understand what is being portrayed, you would see that there can be no comparison at all between the Mama's of this world and the likes of Joey Barton. I suspect that the article wasn't read properly. Stupid thread.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Nov 29, 2008 10:30:56 GMT
Relax boys. Just trying to get a bit of debate going first thing on a Sat morning. It is amazing how people opinion differs from person to person though ain't it?
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 29, 2008 10:33:40 GMT
I think you're the only one with the opinion that Barton is an alright bloke who's been hard done by though Stafford.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Nov 29, 2008 10:35:03 GMT
Its not a debate that often crops up though is it We hear the same comments about barton every couple of weeks hes a twat hes a c*nt,wanker e.t.c and then yourself well i think hes alrate like a great athlete.
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Nov 29, 2008 10:35:00 GMT
Opinions differ because the facts are completely different.
Jesus christ
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Nov 29, 2008 10:37:37 GMT
I think you're the only one with the opinion that Barton is an alright bloke who's been hard done by though Stafford. Not strictly true though Timmy. My take on the Barton thing is- Was he provoked by the bloke that took the beating? I am still not saying Barton was right but was the other bloke completely innocent? More importantly why should he not go back to his career when he has done the time for his crime? I know he was in the wrong but at the end of the day that is his job.
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 29, 2008 10:43:26 GMT
I think you're the only one with the opinion that Barton is an alright bloke who's been hard done by though Stafford. More importantly why should he not go back to his career when he has done the time for his crime? I know he was in the wrong but at the end of the day that is his job. If any of us had done the things Barton has done we wouldn't be returning to our jobs. In fact, we'd be struggling to convince any employer that we weren't a complete liability. Mama hat trick this afternoon.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Nov 29, 2008 10:43:36 GMT
Who gives a fuck anyway he plays for the geordies get over it. Are you a geordie? Why are you so intrested in the ordeal?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2008 10:45:04 GMT
Have you seen the video of the incident Stafford? Even if he was provoked, (and it doesn't look like it was much - if he was wouldn't that have come up in his defence?), it's not in proportion to the viciousness of the attack.
Are you saying he should continue to commit wanton acts of thuggery again and again, do his "time" (considerably less than what a "normal" person would get I suspect) and then stroll back into his job time after time?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Nov 29, 2008 10:52:52 GMT
The thing is though chaps he is good at what he does. If Newcastle had got rid then someone else would have taken him. He has done the time he was told to do so why should he not go back to football.
No pointy I ain't a Geordie I AM A STOKIE!!!
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