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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Nov 20, 2008 12:59:14 GMT
Just reading the excellent Denis Smith autobiography, and noticed he explained Gordon's transfer to us as being Leicester's decision as they had ousted Gordon from the team and were playing a very young Peter Shilton. Is this accurate? Although I wasn't born at the time I had always presumed Gordon had moved on to better his career.
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Post by womble on Nov 20, 2008 13:02:48 GMT
To be honest, Denis Smith probably knows better than I do.
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Post by staffsknot on Nov 20, 2008 13:03:08 GMT
alvechurch yes it is true, then later they got rid of shilts as they had mark wallington coming into their 1st team
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 20, 2008 13:04:55 GMT
Yes, Denis's version of events will be the one most Stokies of my age will have heard at the time and I am sure it is the true version. At the time I'd say Stoke and Leicester were comparable clubs in terms of status.
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Nov 20, 2008 13:05:01 GMT
cheers clayton, so we then signed Leicester reject Shilton!!
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2008 13:04:45 GMT
says the same in shilts biog tbh that would have been the equivalent of david james coming to stoke
would not happen today
(im glads you say smithy's booth is excellent as im about to start it)
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Post by staffsknot on Nov 20, 2008 13:07:28 GMT
yes alvechurh we did sing shilts then cannot remember what happened to wallington
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 20, 2008 13:07:38 GMT
The Shilton transfer was much less successful than the Banks one - even though it cost much more. Shilts didn't really do very well for us - certainly not as well as he did once he moved on.
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Nov 20, 2008 13:09:03 GMT
Denis' book is a great insight into the team of the seventies. Read his thoughts on the first Arsenal semi-final last night, although it was 37 years ago and I wasn't even born then, I still went to bed absolutely gutted!!
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Post by victoriaboothenboy on Nov 20, 2008 13:09:42 GMT
It was also widely reported at the time that Bill Shankly made an eleventh hour attempt to hijack Banksie to Liverpool but Leicester had done the deal with Stoke and didn't inform him of Liverpool's interest. Can you see that happening today?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2008 13:44:43 GMT
If you read Banks book he says Tony W had advised him that Liverpool were interested and Banks replied dont you want me then Waddo said yes so Banks said well we have already shook hands so I am coming to Stoke. That tells you about the calibre of the man and why we all love him.
As for the FA Cup Semi more the one in 1971 when Arsenal got THAT Penalty I was 9 and I cried for days months years even, we were cheated out of our place in History, and Partridge was the ref and I still want to kill him now slowly deliberately and painfully, Hostel would be a breeze compared to wot I would do to that twat lol
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Post by truckerged on Nov 20, 2008 16:12:08 GMT
had the privelige to shake the great mans hand when i went on the pitch last year to partake in the £10,000 prize draw. he even had the grace to apologise for pulling my name out of the hat thus eliminating me. no apologies needed gordon. was a pleasure to speak to him. he is and allways will be a stoke city legend
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Post by daverichards on Nov 20, 2008 16:27:49 GMT
when we signed Shilts we paid a then "world record fee for a goalkeeper" of £320K
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Post by leicspotter on Nov 20, 2008 16:32:17 GMT
Compare / contrast our signing of Gordon Banks to the Robinho fiasco! No honour nowadays...only money!
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Post by thevue on Nov 20, 2008 17:10:11 GMT
it was £325,000 for Shilts
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Post by crimesy on Nov 20, 2008 17:27:55 GMT
strange that, i had no idea
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Post by block30row19 on Nov 20, 2008 17:33:39 GMT
I thought it was nearer £240.000 ??? And I'm usually right STATO ?
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Post by Silvio on Nov 20, 2008 17:35:58 GMT
The Leicester manager at the time called Gordon over in training and told him that he thought his best days were behind him. This was just a year after he'd won the World Cup and of course he'd go on to make THAT SAVE 3 years later. What a fool, still Leicester's loss was certainly Stoke's gain...
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Post by thevue on Nov 20, 2008 17:55:12 GMT
Block30row19 that was Alan Hudson.
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Post by bogus on Nov 20, 2008 18:25:04 GMT
Opinions eh? I thought Shilton was really good for Stoke, worth a goal a game, as they say.
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Post by stokeycokey on Nov 20, 2008 20:19:51 GMT
As for the FA Cup Semi more the one in 1971 when Arsenal got THAT Penalty I was 9 and I cried for days months years even, we were cheated out of our place in History, Watched the highlights of the '71 Semi last night on the Magic Moments DVD and to be honest thought the great man had a bit of a mare. My Gran could have saved the penalty - Gordon made no attempt to save it.
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Post by premierpotters08 on Nov 20, 2008 21:58:22 GMT
i say at west brazil we sing "one gordan banks" not heard it for a while and ge is a stoke city legend.
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 20, 2008 21:59:20 GMT
Opinions eh? I thought Shilton was really good for Stoke, worth a goal a game, as they say. I thought he was OK too. Part of the side that nearly (should have won the league) in 74-75. Football was changing then though. In Banksy's era footballers were loyal but then the money took over. Anyone remember the gaff Shilts made against Newcastle at the Vic. Coming out to clear from Gowling and missing it leaving Gowling an open goal.
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Post by offthewall on Nov 20, 2008 22:10:00 GMT
and a complete balls up against Norwich at home last game of the season (i think)
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 20, 2008 22:16:48 GMT
Swampy, if Banks hadn't got injured and had been in goal instead of Shilton in 74/75 I think we would have won the league. I'd say that Banks at his beat was worth a good 8 or 10 points a season compared to Shilts. That isn't to say that Shilts didn't go on to be as good as Banks later in his career after he left Stoke. I don't know why he was (by his standards) less effective at Stoke but in my opinion he was.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 20, 2008 22:22:29 GMT
Swampy, if Banks hadn't got injured and had been in goal instead of Shilton in 74/75 I think we would have won the league. I'd say that Banks at his beat was worth a good 8 or 10 points a season compared to Shilts. That isn't to say that Shilts didn't go on to be as good as Banks later in his career after he left Stoke. I don't know why he was (by his standards) less effective at Stoke but in my opinion he was. He got better at Forest because he had the meanest defence in front of him at that time. However I don't recall him being rubbish at Stoke either.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 20, 2008 22:26:26 GMT
I didn't say he was rubbish - I just thought he was less effective at Stoke than he was at his later clubs. I met him a few times when he managed Argyle and he himself said that he hadn't played as well at Stoke as he felt he did at Forest and Southampton.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Nov 20, 2008 22:29:42 GMT
"Watched the highlights of the '71 Semi last night on the Magic Moments DVD and to be honest thought the great man had a bit of a mare.
My Gran could have saved the penalty - Gordon made no attempt to save it."
In an interview Gordon gave some time later, he said he went early and guessed the wrong. All his weight had shifted to that side making it difficult for him to go in the opposite direction. That is why it looks as if he just stood there and let the ball go in.
That explanation is good enough for me.
Huddy,
Shilton was a superior version of Simonsen, a great shot stopper but at times he was a bit suspect in the air. He would come for crosses that he had no hope of getting and the consequences were often dire.
Having said that it was a privilege to see him between the sticks for Stoke City.
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 20, 2008 22:47:22 GMT
Banks was in goal when I first started watching Stoke.
How magical it was to watch top line footballers at that age.
I always remember a 0-0 draw against the Baggies (67-68???) We conceded a pen and it was the last kick of the game. As he dived the ball hit Banksys foot and ballooned up in to the air.
Always remember that.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Nov 20, 2008 22:56:51 GMT
Me too.
Alan Bloor inexplicably stuck his hand up as the ball came in from the right at the Boothen End.
Banks dived to his left, the ball was aimed at the centre of the goal and hit his outstretched leg and went over the bar.
Happy days!
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