Obessed with United, then?

[Rebelliousjukebox]

Nov 16, 2008 14:10:14 GMT RAF said:

Not the local team though is it? Is IT?!

Well I suppose on reflection if I was from Bath I'd go and watch their rugby team.


H

Why wouldn't you be at Twerton Park watching Bath City? It isn't (yet) law that you have to like egg-chasing in Bath.

[Moosehead]

Obessed?

[missmacclesfield]

I agree with agentnobody. Most Stokies on here are obsessed about UTD. I'm a Macc fan (season ticket) from Macc.

And the Stokies are very disrespectful about UTD but seem ok about everybody else.

[daverichards]

Nov 16, 2008 15:18:36 GMT missmacclesfield said:

I agree with agentnobody. Most Stokies on here are obsessed about UTD. I'm a Macc fan (season ticket) from Macc.

And the Stokies are very disrespectful about UTD but seem ok about everybody else.

do we bollocks, we hate all 91 other clubs in the league, and some who don't even play in england, like stenhousemuir

[doitforever]

Nov 16, 2008 14:59:53 GMT Rebelliousjukebox said:

Nov 16, 2008 14:10:14 GMT RAF said:

Well I suppose on reflection if I was from Bath I'd go and watch their rugby team.


H

Why wouldn't you be at Twerton Park watching Bath City? It isn't (yet) law that you have to like egg-chasing in Bath.

Having lived in the area since '77 I can tell you it's not far from it.

And I suspect that if Bath FC were to have to move grounds it wouldn't get the column inches that the suggestion that the Rugby moves away from the Rec. is currently getting.

[twisty]

WE SUPPORT OUR LOCAL TEAM ;D

[serpico]

Nov 16, 2008 15:18:36 GMT missmacclesfield said:

I agree with agentnobody. Most Stokies on here are obsessed about UTD. I'm a Macc fan (season ticket) from Macc.

And the Stokies are very disrespectful about UTD but seem ok about everybody else.

Think it might have anything to do with the fact that we played them at the weekend ? just a thought like ??? supporters do tend to discuss the opposition in the lead up and in the aftermath of a match. As I said in a earlier post, yes we do hate United, but they're nothing more than a footnote most weeks, we really do not give a shit about United, I know thats hard to comprehend for a lot of United supporters, because they're of the belief the entire football world revolves around them, in actuality, we don't give two flying shits.

[kkkkken]

Off the top of my head I would say there are about 25 clubs I am not very fond off .

I can't think off any Scottish team I like

[santy]

As stoke fans, isn't it almost instictive to develop a slight hatred towards each opponent we play? In the premiership, especially the week building up to the game, I'm sure the stoke fans speaking of ther liking and admiration for the opposition are few and far between, the majority are developing the hostile mentality for the match that is brought about by the competitive nature of football.

We can find a perfectly good reason to hate every team ;D

[TheWiseMaster]

Well Stoke fans did achieve something yesterday

Before the game it was Stoke-who. After the barrage of non stop verbal abuse yesterday we are now a club to be loathed

So at least you care

And I'll venture to predict that we will get a result ourselves in the home game - not that the poster will dare to venture anywhere near to Stoke

What I do hope I never hear is my own crowd chanting how much they hate England - If this is the price that you are prepared to pay to suck up to fairyboy then I'm just so gald that we are not you

[daverichards]

Nov 16, 2008 15:30:00 GMT santy said:

As stoke fans, isn't it almost instictive to develop a slight hatred towards each opponent we play? In the premiership, especially the week building up to the game, I'm sure the stoke fans speaking of ther liking and admiration for the opposition are few and far between, the majority are developing the hostile mentality for the match that is brought about by the competitive nature of football.

We can find a perfectly good reason to hate every team ;D

EXACTLY couldn't have put it better myself, have some imaginary karma ;D

I'd say that if we had a post of the week competition that would be a contender

[lwspj]

Agentnobody (he has a surprisingly low opinion of himself) is right in one respect. Stokies like me who have been following the team since the 1960s have always been against United, as even then (post-Munich etc) it was strangely fashionable for people in the Potteries to 'support' them. At the same time, I saw some notable Stoke victories against them in the 1960s and 1970s (including their last game before relegation in 1974).

Let's not be too hard on the agent for living in Congleton (down the road from Macclesfield) - by United's standards he is very local.

I have even seen greetings cards (in Bristol) making fun of United's lack of Mancunian support.

United are commercially too far ahead to be caught by most other clubs, including Stoke. But is there a genuine soul to their support? Not according to the players and fans of FC United.

The real football supporters in Greater Manchester are those who go along to watch Bury or Rochdale.

[Rebelliousjukebox]

Nov 16, 2008 15:23:28 GMT doitforever said:

Nov 16, 2008 14:59:53 GMT Rebelliousjukebox said:

Why wouldn't you be at Twerton Park watching Bath City? It isn't (yet) law that you have to like egg-chasing in Bath.

Having lived in the area since '77 I can tell you it's not far from it.

And I suspect that if Bath FC were to have to move grounds it wouldn't get the column inches that the suggestion that the Rugby moves away from the Rec. is currently getting.

For about 20 years after retirement, until their deaths last year, my parents lived in Bath so I know the place quite well. I was also born in Somerset, and have been asked a number of times why I don't move down there now that I've inherited a property there. In addition to informing them that a 2.5/3 hour commute to work isn't really viable, I have joked that i wouldn't be allowed to, given the tyranny that Bath Rugby has, since I hate rugby!

[terrorofturfmoor]

Congleton to Stoke: 14.5 Miles, estimated journey 20/25 Minutes.

Congleton to Old Trafford: 25.2 Miles, estimated journey 40/45 Minutes.

Hmmm!!! wouldn't it be easier to be a Stoke fan agentnobody???

or would you prefer to spend those extra few miles thinking of how many your going to win by again???

And you wonder why we call Knob's like you GLORYHUNTERS!!!

[talkepitscasual]

whats wrong with congleton town fc mr big man u FAN (not supporter)

[Rebelliousjukebox]

"Obessed with United, then?".

Leeds?
Newcastle?
Sheffield?
Carlisle?
Peterborough?
Hereford?

[bunnyscfc]

the irony of a S*** fan posting that we are obessed (sic) with his club on our messageboard.
And he lives closer to us than OT.

Comedy gold again.

[meltonjohn]

Actually Agentnobody, not only did we sing lots of different songs yesterday - and touched a raw nerve with anti-united ones(but no mention of Munich, I'm pleased to say) - but our biggest away game of the last 23 years was at Layer Road last season.
Bet you've never mean there.
It's easy to be a gloryhuning United fan, I know loads, including some from the Stoke area.
Tell you what though you'd never understand what makes a real fan support their local team, you have to have brain cells for loyalty and commitment.
"Chelsea shirt on order, you've got your Chelsea shirt on order...."

[Deleted]

Obsessed with Manchester United -err mmmm - no - should I be ?

good soccerball franchaise though !

[McLovin]

So the Congleton Stokies who went to the Brit when we were in Division 2 and Fail and Crewe were in Division 1 are gloryhunters. I see what your getting at there.

[Oatcake Andy]

Nov 16, 2008 13:22:27 GMT agentnobody said:

Are you lot Stoke fans or anti-United obsessives?

Sorry to deflate your ego but I personally couldn't give a toss about Man Utd one way or the other

Nov 16, 2008 13:22:27 GMT agentnobody said:

'Glory hunter' this, 'glory hunter' that. Pathetic if it wasn't so funny. 15,000 average over the last five years, suddenly you're in the big league its 27,500 sell outs

Contrary to popular belief we don't actually sell out every home game, although to be fair we do get close (around 27,000 I think)

Nov 16, 2008 13:22:27 GMT agentnobody said:

Magically its suddenly OK and not socially embarrassing to pop along and support Stoke, which must explain why around 12,000 home glory hunters have tagged on to Stokes success. Who'd of thought it, eh?

I think you have completley missed the point These missing "12,000" supporters have always been there, just nowhere near as enthusiastic about going when we're playing in lower leagues. Most are either living in SoT or like me born there or have fathers and grandfathers who supported Stoke. I would guess that most of us have little issue with a small core of fans who don't support Stoke as their local team but its when the MAJORITY of fans appear to be "non-local" we do tend to get a bit wound up

Nov 16, 2008 13:22:27 GMT agentnobody said:

Trophies? (Er, sorry, better make that trophy singular)

You were right first time - What about the Autoglass trophy? We've won it two times you know?

Nov 16, 2008 13:22:27 GMT agentnobody said:

Your team hopelessly outclassed on the pitch

No disptue with you there

Nov 16, 2008 13:22:27 GMT agentnobody said:

Noisy yes, (very actually, so fair play for that) supporting their team, nah, not while there was time to squawk how they 'only hate Man United'.

I've never analysed exactly want percentage of songs we sing about our own team rather than the opposition team but I suspect we do actually sing more about our own team. However, when a set of supporters sing for most of the 90 minutes you have to rely on a bit of variety. Mind you after hearing (not) the Utd support on Saturday I guess that is one thing you'd know absolutely nothing about

Nov 16, 2008 13:22:27 GMT agentnobody said:

Perhaps not surprising given that it was your biggest away game of not just this season but probably for years. 23 maybe?

Hardly. A jolly enjoyable outing though.

Nov 16, 2008 13:22:27 GMT agentnobody said:

To think you lot seriously think there's any rivalry between our clubs.

Good of you to even think about rivalry with us. I don't see much rivalry short of us being in the same league.

Nov 16, 2008 13:22:27 GMT agentnobody said:

United don't see you as anything other than what you are; a small-time club made good for a season or two in the Premier League.

Must be great to look down on all but 3 other clubs like that

Nov 16, 2008 13:22:27 GMT agentnobody said:

Anyway, am off now as no more reason to enquire after your clubs well-being until Boxing Day. Merry Christmas, and do expect to lose 0-4 on the way to second from bottom relegation.

Both possible, although I'd wager a substantial amount of money that you won't give us a 4-0 tonking at the Brit. I went for 4-1 win for a Utd win last Saturday so looks like you are slightly better at predictions than me Even if we go down we'll have gone down fighting and I suspect, after reading your rather bitter post had a lot more fun doing so ;D

[Stoke_FaN_DaN]

fuck off gloryhunter and come back moaning when we've beaten you at the brit and ended ronaldo's career.

[twinedwitherlangen]

I'm obsessed with Abdolaye Fayes calves, they're chunky like Aunt Bessies chunky chips

[blackpoolred]

Judging by this humongous post it is not us that is obsessed; however in answer to your question: def anti-United; although much as I hate united my hate of Stenhousmuir is far greater, and much more deep routed.. I would wear a red devil scarf and sing glory, glory Man Utd should you ever play those twats.. Rant over – just had to get it off my chest

[ted1965]

Do I dislike Manchester United, yes most certainly but hell I dislike so many other clubs and to be honest the only time I have even thought about you was this week because we were playing each other. It’s a natural thought process to think about the side we’re playing next something as a United fan I wouldn’t expect you to understand, natural and thought process. If I listed every club I disliked and why it would turn me into a psychotic demonic figure stalking the streets ready to go postal.

The reason people dislike you for me anyhow has nothing to do with you being successful or the fact that you have the largest fan base in China or the fact you believe that the world revolves around Old Trafford. I have disliked you since I first supported Stoke that was in 1970 at 5 years old. There has always been this self delusion about United fans that they are somehow superior to the rest of football, that they had a God given right to win something simply because they are Manchester United and they are undoubtedly the worlds worst losers they have never lost because the other side were better.

I do think that the Ferguson era has focussed many peoples dislike of United even more, the sour disposition and the whining about every decision that goes against them. The total lack of respect many of your supporters have for other clubs yet they always get so precious when other clubs supporters give them some back.

Though sorry mate I am obsessed with Stoke City I dislike Manchester United the reason I support Stoke and I couldn’t give a damn about yours. My focus will turn now to the Baggies sorry I can’t be bothered to think about franchise United until December 26th but don’t worry I am sure we’ll be obsessing about you again then sorry if that’s a little inconvenient as I do understand that the football world revolves around United.

[agentnobody]

Some fair replies in amongst that lot, some not so fair, but I wasn't expecting anything less. So, to answer a couple of points... (Oh by the way, a bit of a big post this; sorry!)

Me? I was born in Macclesfield so more likely a Macc’ lad or a City fan. To think how close I could have been to being a Bluenose. Thank fuck my dad or a 'well meaning uncle' didn't take me to Citeh.

But you know, when you're 5 and Bobby Charlton, Denis Law and of course George Best play for the team in red there's only one choice, regardless of the fact that all three were for different reasons passed it. At that time United were busy getting stuffed every week and preparing for relegation - just about the same time as your finest were still polishing the league cup you won the year before.

Oh, wait! Maybe I should have supported the cup winning team rather than the side about to be relegated? But wouldn't that have made me a, a you know, a glor… oh I can't say it! Hell I bet the crowds at Stoke were good on the back of that silverware mind.

So, for the avoidance of doubt my first game at OT was in 1973 when we were rubbish and you had just won the league cup the previous year. Still going now, ST holder and proper fully obsessed Red. Been all over England wherever and whenever my team played, and across Europe too. Is that enough to be going on with? I do hope so. I was also at the Victoria ground last time we met, both in the league cup and in the league, just to clear up the doubt, like. Oh, and that friendly you won 3-1 at ‘The Brit’ too. But a glory hunter? Please, I think not.

United's attendances? Best supported club in the country for forty years, even in the second division. Sure, attendances varied like any other club’s, but those were the times and we were the best supported compared to every other club, regardless of whether we played well or won fuck all. That’s all you need to know. That website is very handy though – thanks for that, er, IlfordDave.

As for plastic fans, well yeah, we certainly do have our share. Funny but every club has ‘em, and they irritate the arse off any supporter – please note, there’s a difference between those who talk and those who actually put in the effort and go to matches. I’ve lost count the number of times people have badgered me for a ticket to see United, then when a spare comes up for grabs they’re ‘doing something’ that night. ‘Aww, mate, if only you’d asked me this morning’…blah blah blah.

Truth is a real supporter knows and doesn’t need to make excuses, as it’s actually supporting the team that matters, not simply claiming to support them. So your support on Saturday certainly made an impression, though I have to say while it was loud it was also sadly lacking in content and support for your team. Bit like an American muscle car; big engine, loud, all show but ultimately wank.

And since when does where you’re from have even the slightest bearing on who you are allowed to support? Is there a mile or transport time limit from your home to the ground?
Is one distance somehow acceptable, but another not? If so, what is Stoke’s? What about those tricky cross-over areas? You know, Congleton, Macclesfield and the like. United or Citeh, Crewe or Vale, Stoke or take up bowls? Decision,decisions. Do tell! Personally I couldn’t give a shit where any Stoke fan is from, was born or lives; if he goes then that’s cool with me, if he doesn’t then hey, guess what? That’s also fine, ‘cos it happens to be normal.

You guys give the impression that only ‘plastic United fan this, that and the fucking other’ never goes to Old Trafford, but you know what, every single club has got ‘fans’ who don’t go to live football, but are either bullshitting bastards who never set foot in the ground or are stupidly keen in front of the telly – and that includes your lot just as much as the next.

I go to three pubs in town, and I took a moment or two to do a little head count. There are Season Ticket holders that I know personally from Manchester United, Manchester City, Stoke City, Port Vale, Blackburn Rovers and Everton.

There are match going fans of Liverpool, Leeds United, Bolton Wanderers and Crewe, plus a stack of relocated fans; Arsenal, Chelsea, QPR, West Ham, Coventry City and Aston Villa, and every single club I’ve just mentioned has TV fans too. Fuck me is that enough? And yet all the bleating twats from Stoke can do is ramble about where a person was born or now lives, as if that has a bearing on anything. (If YOU relocated to another part of the country would it stop you from being a Stoke supporter? I’m thinking no.) Me neither. I’m Red, and I’ll stay Red if I live in Cheshire or Timbuk-fucking-tu. To claim otherwise really is small-time.

In fact, while I’m on the subject let me enlighten you about one of the guys I know of at Old Trafford. This man sits in the Stretford End and doesn’t miss a game, not one. Midweek, Saturday lunchtime, Sunday tea time, big club, piss-poor opponents, League title decider, Champions League semi-final (have you ever been to one? Fuck me they’re goooood. You’d all love it…) or a second rate opposition in the league cup. Doesn’t matter the man is there. Where does he live? Torquay! Tor–fucking-quay!! He’s an ex-Manchester fella, retired down there, and his journey takes about seven hours…each way, and he never, ever misses a game. If that’s not fantastic support then I’d love to hear what is.

But while I don’t give a shit where Stoke fans come from, funnily enough neither do Stoke City themselves. Ask Peter Coates if he’d decline a Season Ticket application from a fan (customer?) in London, or a shirt ordered over the internet to be delivered to Singapore, and the answer my friend is thank you very much for your support, Sir. Welcome to the Britannia Stadium, welcome to Stoke.

Oh, nearly forgot, ‘The Britannia’. Pause and reflect for just one moment the opprobrium that would have been heaped on ‘greedy’ Manchester United – probably fronted by the likes of The Oatcakes finest, had they taken a sack full of cash in exchange for the privilege of flogging naming rights at Old Trafford. However I’m led to believe it’s OK for you lot to name a balsa wood self-build Airfix kit of a stadium - that’s squashed between a dual carriageway, a car showroom and a fucking great ugly commercial incinerator - in honour of a building society from Leek.

You couldn’t make it up. ;D!

Seems I’ll have to make do with one of the most iconic club stadiums in world football, then. Don’t cry for me, lads, I’ll get over it.

And as for aways, they’re a nightmare. We don’t get any from United now; supply and demand, guv’. This year not one ticket. Last season we applied for every game bar one (Newcastle). We got not one single ticket all season. The year before only one ticket; Fulham. We can’t just roll up to the ticket office like you lot and get a ticket the night before a game, sadly. Would I like to be at your pad Boxing Day? Oh yes. Will I be? 98% no. Corporate, high value S/T’s and 60,000 other S/T holders are quite a challenge and collectively rule the roost, leaving me and my mates, each with 25-35 years of going to United, watching on telly. Certainly one of the less welcome developments at United. Wank from wankton!

[powchirper]

Fuck off.

[Oatcake Andy]

Who rattle AgentNobody's cage? And he calls us obessive

[netty]

I agree with the chirper, fuck off.

[missmacclesfield]

agentnobody, good post mate, macclad in peace.